It’s Midnight In America, Confront Fear and Embrace Courage as the Final Hour Approaches

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FOURCY Radio. In nineteen forty,
there was a novel by Ernest Hemingway,

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and it popularized the phrase asks not
for whom the bell tolls, it tolls

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for thee The bells are tolling because
it is midnight in America. The culture

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and prophecy expert and senior pastor of
Influence Church in Anaheim Hills, California,

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is addressing the signs of the times
and just how they're related to God's prophetic

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clock. He says, the world
is not falling apart, it's falling into

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place. It's midnight in America.
Delivers a stark revelation about America's role in

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Biblical prophecy and the urgent need for
revival in the church. With the tools

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and insights needed to thrive amid adversity, you'll uncover what the true essence of

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courage is so you can prepare to
stand resolute against perspecution and the looming challenges

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of our times. It's Midnight in
America invites you to confront upcoming challenges,

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embrace your calling, and prepare for
Christ's imminent return. All pretty much in

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that order. I welcome my good
friend Phil Hodsonviller, the senior pastor of

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Influenced Church, and Anah Mills,
California, the founder president of Americanfaith dot

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Com. Phill, Welcome to the
show. Good to have you with us.

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Thank you so much. Bill.
Great to be with you and excited

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that you're you're on board with this
new book. It's I'm a Licensed.

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Let me tell you, I am
totally on board with this and all all

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that God has revealed to you and
that you courageously are putting forth, you

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know, for us to be forewarned
of what's just around the bend. Well,

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you know, the book really does
map out events that began in twenty

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twenty, and I really believe it
was a dress rehearsal for what's coming down

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the road. And so if we
can learn from that, and what I'm

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speaking of is government control, lockdown, manipulation of truth, fake news,

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all those kind of things really became
reached a crescendo during that time period.

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And then the often asked question is
where's America and biblical prophecy? And I

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go into some depth to talk about
that as well as other prophetic events and

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how they relate not only to us
as a global society, but also us

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as Americans. Exactly well, well, Phil, it's important for us to

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look back before we look forward,
because you know, a lot of what's

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happened historically. You know, they
say the reason that we keep repeating history

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is because we never learned. Well, but we need to pause, as

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the Bible would say, take that
sale a moment, right, and let's

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do an analysis of just what happened
to us. So your book is broken

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into four important parts. Here.
It starts with the look back. Then

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we look ahead, we look around, and we look within. So let's

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first look back. You started to
touch on the evidence the experiences that we

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in America, and dare I say
the world experienced here in this historical period

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of time. Yeah, you know, during that time, I did a

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interview with the Epoch Times and one
of the questions they asked me, had

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I ever done any work in a
communist country, in which I said,

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yeah, I smuggled bibles into Romania
back in the day. I did Crusades

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and El Salvador during that communist revolt
against society, so I've had some experience.

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And then they asked me this question, They said, what parallels do

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you think there are between the church
in China and the church in America?

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And I said, well, of
course, we all know there's a state

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church in China and there's an underground
church. Well, in America there is

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a conforming church and a believing church. And one of the things that came

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to the highlight of that whole year
or year and a half time period was

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how many churches, how many leaders
were willing to conform to governmental mandates and

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dictates, even when they violated scripture
and violated our constitution. And I really

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believe this was a wake up call
for the church to look around. It

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also formed new alliances that we see
still today, where people understand who they're

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really in ministry with for the first
time. And before it was a lot

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of celebrity preachers, a lot of
people that quite honestly just had a big

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following, but we didn't know who
they really were. And now we do.

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Yeah. Well, when you and
I were growing up, we read

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in the Bible about apostasy, and
it was something we read about. But

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phil today, in the twenty first
century, we're seeing what the Word of

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God meant when it referred to apostasy, because this is what's going on in

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the churches, not only here in
America but around the world right exactly.

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And you know, one of the
chapters that I really believe the readers are

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going to enjoy is one called the
Prophetic Clock. Yes, and what I

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do is I take you on a
journey in that too, prophecies of the

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past and how they were fulfilled,
the division of the Northern and Southern Kingdom

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of Israel and how that happened in
roughly five eighty six BC. And Israel

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has not been a nation until nineteen
forty eight, so you have about a

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twenty five hundred year gap of time
where there is no nation, and yet

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now a nation was born in a
day in nineteen forty eight, and that

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really began, in my opinion,
the prophetic clock. Now we begin to

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we can start marking our calendar and
say, what's happening. Now. It

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doesn't give us the day of Christ's
return, but it does give us seasons.

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It does give us some guidelines,
if you will, about what's happening.

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And I think the readers are going
to really find that one enjoyable.

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I've tried to be very practical,
bring it down to earth. It's not

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a technical commentary on the Book of
Revelation, so don't think of that as

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at that at all. People with
very little knowledge and a great Neil Andaje

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will enjoy the book. Well,
and what you point out is so critical

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here, and that is for people
to understand why our eyes are on Israel.

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It's as if Israel it's the our
hand of God's prophetic clock, right,

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all things pivot around Israel and Jerusalem. Well, and it's so true.

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And there's only one city that God
calls his city, and that's Jerusalem.

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Only one people he calls his people, and that's the nation of Israel.

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So if God is that bent on
showing us that truth, we should

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really dig in understand what the significance
is of Israel. Why is it the

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most contested piece of real estate on
planet Earth? And if you've been there

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outside of the spiritual dimension of it
and the history of the Bible, you

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really look around and wonder, this
is not that great. It's not like

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it's the most beautiful land or the
easiest to traverse, But there is a

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spiritual significance there because God says there's
a significance there right exactly. Well,

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Phil not to get too deep on
this or even to take us off track

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here, but my understanding has always
been the term Israel is ruled by God.

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And people sometimes think Israel is just
being just Jews. But Jesus was

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clear when he came it was to
unite all of God's creation. I mean,

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he ministered to the Gentiles and the
Jews, God's chosen people. So

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there's some nexus there in terms of
Israel that in a sense, even though

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we may be gentile, if we're
ruled by God, aren't we all part

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of the woof and warf of Israel? Yeah, And a couple of things

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that are really important for people.
When we say Israel, a lot of

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people are going to say, well, they're not Christians or they're really not

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that religious. Those are both true
statements. We're not embracing all the political

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or philosophical ideologies of Israel. When
we say we support Israel, what we're

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saying is we're going back to the
Abrahamic Covenant esceptually chapter twelve, where he

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says, I'm going to bless those
who bless you, and curses who curse

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you. And so what I do
is I say, listen, we're gonna

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follow scripture. We're not gonna follow
politics or culture. And that's going to

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be critically important. And then to
your point, the idea of Israel being

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a chosen people, they were chosen, not automatically saved. They were chosen

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with a mission, and that mission
was to bring forth the truth of God

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and also unite Jews and Gentiles together
and bring that message of light to the

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gentiles. Yeah, to pour forth
the blessing that God was pouring into his

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chosen people and to pay it forward, right, because in a sense we

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are we are God's represented as his
ambassador of his love and mercy? Are

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we not? Exactly? And you
know, I think that when you see

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prophecy, and this book really is
dealing with time prophecy, it's not meant

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to frighten you, it's meant to
actually comfort you. But when you see

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that, your Bible actually historically is
accurate with prophetic events. For example,

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we talked about nineteen forty eight,
but in nineteen fifty was the Law of

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Return, and Israel established a law
that Jews all over the world could come

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back to that homeland and be citizens. And so that was a really big

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piece that began to set in motion
a number of things. And then in

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the seventies, the USSR did a
great expulsion of Russian Jews and many of

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them came to Israel. Well,
that was fulfilling a scripture that sat out

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of my nor, out of the
north, will I call my people.

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Then we jumped to nineteen eighties and
we see how I fulfilled the scripture in

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Zachariat says out of Ethiopia, will
I call my people? And that's the

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great airlifts, three or four airlifts
that came out of Ethiopia bringing Jews from

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Ethiopia into the land of Israel.
So you see right there many many fulfillmentive

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scripture where God was regathering Jews worldwide
for his in time plan. For not

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only Israel, but for the world. Well, let's bring it up to

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the current date. Look what's happening
in the Gaza with the war there,

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what do we have? We have
Jews coming back to Israel to defend the

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homeland. So is this not part
and parcel of this of this prophecy as

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well filled? Yeah, and it's
a It's an interesting thing if you've ever

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been to Israel and you've talked to
people literally from all over the world,

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and they say, why are you
now living here? And they said,

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well, Israel has a home.
It seems like this is where we should

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be. It's almost an unexplainable magnetic
pull that's on the heart of the Jew

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or many Jews to come back.
And yes, indeed that is the situation

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of Hamas is very with Hamas is
very interesting. Gaza, as we know,

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was land given by Israel in an
attempt to try to appease what was

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going on among the Palestinians. But
if you look historically at Gase, it's

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always been a challenge. It's it's
the land of the Philistines. It's where

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Samson was taken and uh and there
he died. It's where the temple of

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Dagon was so it's always been a
challenging part of the world. And so

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people say, well, is that
in biblical prophecy? I said, not

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every war is a biblical prophetic war. That's why Jesus kind of generalized them

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and said there will be wars and
rumors of wars exactly, but there are

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some wars. So let me just
fast forward on the prophetic clock when he

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says that that nation will rise against
nation, kingdom against kingdom. That's Matthew

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twenty four when he says that what
was the first time that that happened?

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It was World War One. Prior
to that time it was more tribal.

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But for the first time we saw
nation against nation, kingdom against kings.

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So I can write in the margin
of my Bible where it says kingdom against

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kingdom and nachiganinst nation. I can
write nineteen fourteen to nineteen seventeen because those

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are the years of World War One. So now in Matthew twenty four,

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I begin to put some framework around
that so I can better understand instead of

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generalities like wars and rumors of wars. That's pretty general, right, And

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that's what you want to do with
your Bible. You want to be able

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to say, how do I as
much as I can align it with what's

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happened in the past and what's happening
today in my world exactly. We're talking

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with Phil Hotson Pillar, senior pastor
of Influenced Church in Anaheim Hills, California.

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He's also the founder of President of
Americanfaith dot com. His new book,

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You've got to get your hands on
this book. This will explain so

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much to you. I would dare
say, Phil, this will render peace

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for some of those who find themselves
anxious about the current events that are taking

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place. It's midnight in America.
It illustrates and helps you understand how to

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confront fear and embrace courage as the
final hour approaches. Phil. One thing

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I want to go back on,
if we can for just a moment,

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and that is to talk about our
roots in terms again of looking back.

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You know America, the dream that
really came true, which started with prayer

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and God's faithfulness to answer prayer right
well, exactly, and you know our

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nation, even though it's not perfect, and even though it's not a fully

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Christian nation, it has such a
foundational piece from the Hebrew scriptures and for

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Christian for New scriptures. So when
we look at it, we say,

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we know that there's been a great
founding, a great foundation of faith,

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the hand of God on our founding. And like any nation, we have

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challenges and we're still We've still got
the human thing along with the divine,

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and we're always in battle with that. And the more the human starts to

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override what God wants to do,
the more problems we have. And thus

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some of the conflicts we're having today
is because there is that attempt to try

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to not only disengage God from American
society, but also disengage the very founding

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document, the Constitution, from our
society as well, and that's going to

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create conflict. And remember, no
nation is designed to be the ideal nation

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by God. All nations are going
to merge into a millennial kingdom one day.

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And the interesting thing is bill that
the Bible says that not only will

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we be held accountable before God as
individuals, but it also tells us in

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Matthew's Gospel that nations will be judged
and He will separate nations one from another.

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Now that may be new to some
of the listeners, but it's very

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interesting because if you fast forward into
the Book of Revelation and there you have

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that restored garden of Eden. You
see that there is the tree of Life,

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and there are twelve trees that are
blooming or are giving forth fruit in

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all their every month, and it
says that leaves of the trees are for

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the healing of the nation. Nations. Yes, and so you see that

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God has always been about nations.
And that's why this talk today about you

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know, the border is so critically
important because God is very big on borders

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and nations. You know, one
world government, which I also deal with

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in this book, is very big
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where one person or a cabal of
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exactly well, and at the end
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about the wheats and terears, that
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right because you're going to have nations
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represent the tears. And right now, God says, let them grow together

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together, because when it comes to
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from the tears, right Yeah,
And that's another piece of what we're talking

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about here. There's really a lot
of really interesting things. You know.

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The most often question I get is
where is America in Biblical prophecy? Now,

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I approach that very differently than anyone
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do a Google search on it,
or you go into a commentary, you'll

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find that most people will either say
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not in there, or they will
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and make it fit. Yes,
and I take a completely different approach on

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that. I'm not going to give
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I want people to get the book, but I think they're going to find

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a lot of intrigue in this,
and I trace it biblically. I'm sure

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some people are going to disagree,
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oh wow, I never saw that
before. So this is another piece that

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we we're concerned about because we're Americans. We're living here and we want to

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know what's our future look like.
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terms of the prophetic, the Bible's
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prophesy in part right, So at
no point are you claiming one hundred percent

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accuracy in the nature and under the
veil of the prophetic, we are on

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hallowed ground, and we're very tender
to go through this road again to enlighten,

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to cause people to own their own
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and their own revelation. Because if
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hey, look at I'll show up. Yeah. And you know, one

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of the things that helps me.
I'm a visual learner, and I'm sure

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many many people are, and so
what I include in there is a number

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of different charts and diagrams to help
people kind of pull all this together.

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Because if you look at the Bible
and you say I wanted to know more

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about this subject, well, there's
a lot of pages in there, and

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Bill, they make those pages really
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made a regular thickness, you'd never
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like two feet tall. And so
what I try to do is say,

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okay, look at this, here's
some events with some scriptures. Now look

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at these together and get kind of
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And that's so helpful, right,
And it's amazing because as you start to

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connect the dots you know, the
lights in your brain will start to flash.

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At least it did for me phil
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exercise and it's there for the finding, but it's not for the foolish to

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understand. You know, this is
why Jesus spoke in parables. You know,

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you have to earnestly you seek God
in spirit and in truth right well,

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and remember the Bible was not written
to intellectuals or scholars. It was

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written to common people. Disciples were
common guys. You know. They weren't

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like, you know, like Super
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You know, they were pretty basic
guys. You know. They did what

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most Americans do. They go to
their jobs and they come home and they

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try to understand. And so remember
everything is revealed because of your relationship in

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Christ. So if you're a believer
and you want to know something, God's

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going to show you, and if
you have a little bit of guidance,

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you know, like what we provide, then you're going to go, oh,

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now I see these pieces and how
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see you know, for example,
I talk about you know, this battle

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that's going to take place in Israel
that's recorded in Ezekiel thirty eight. Well,

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you know it's if you read A
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strained sounding nations there. There's nations
like Gog and Magog and Roche, and

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then you see Persia, which that
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Tagarma. Then you see Ethiopia,
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go like, who are these people? Well, Gog and Magog is Russia,

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Ethiopia of Africa. So now you
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they all have one thing very much
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by Muslims. Why is that important? Because the invasion that will come will

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be to wipe Israel, the Jews
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But what happens in that scenario is
that God intervenes and forefeists of that

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army is wiped out, opening the
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Temple, which is critically important for
the fulfillment of what we see spelled out

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in the Book of Revelation. And
going back to what we talked earlier,

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if you want to know what God
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Look at the Six Day warfill you
know, just like you said in

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the opening of this interview that some
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to the character of God. Right, Yeah, and the Sixth Day War

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is really important. I think.
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prophetic clock because one of the scriptures
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trampled down by the Gentiles until the
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Okay, now we're still living in
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for the first time, and if
you ever you just go back and

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look at the footage, you've got
Israeli soldiers for the first time going up

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to the Whaling Wall, putting their
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exactly, And for Israel took control

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of that whole area. They still
have the Palestinian authority managing the top area

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where the Dome of the Rock is. Well, what would happen if Ezekiel's

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prophecy is true, which it is, and it says every wall in Jerusalem

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will fall, every wall that means
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Rock slide down to the Kidron Valley. Then and you've got four fists of

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this army wiped out. And now
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peace, supposedly who's really the Antichrist. He's proffering peace and he's telling the

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Jews you can build the temple.
Well you see how this scenario it fits,

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Yes, exactly together. Now there
are other models and people are trying

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to put this together, and I
think that's fine. I try to stay

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as true I can to scripture and
try to put the pieces together through deduction

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the best I can, and we
encourage everyone to do the same. Yeah,

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exactly, and you will do this, trust me. As you read

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this book. We're talking with Phil
Hodson Pillar, senior pastor of Influenced Church

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in Anaheim Mills, California, the
founder president of American FAIM. Phil you

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touched on this a little bit The
next section of the book, which is

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in four sections. Here you addressed
the sequence of events to come unfold that

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if you would, Yeah, well, so if we look at where we

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are now, so I can kind
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through. Let's say nine to eleven. Was nine to eleven significant in American

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history? Absolutely? Was it significant
in terms of what the Bible says is

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coming? Absolutely? Now is there
a verse that says nine to eleven will

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happen? Therefore that will know?
So what we try to do is kind

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of put those pieces together. One
thing most I think Christians and scholars would

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agree at is that this definitely opened
a door that was not opened before America

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changed at that event. So if
that's true, then now we kind of

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look and say, Okay, what's
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two years ago that the great discovery
of and it hasn't been the first time

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it's been tried of the red Heifer, And people go, what's that all

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about? And what's interesting is that
the Orthodox Jews, they're called the Temple

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Mount Faithful, they have already got
the architectural design for the new temple,

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They've already trained the priesthood they've already
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new temple. All they're waiting for, honestly, are two things. Number

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one, the ashes the red heifer. I'll explain that in a minute.

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of the Rock, a rebuilt temple. So let's go. Let's back up

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to red heifer. So in Texas, the search for the red heifer has

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been worldwide for some years, and
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ashes from the red heifer are then
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sacrifices can be done. The problem
is the red heifer is an anomaly of

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nature. Means a red heifer that
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nor do they sprout one in the
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there's been attempts to try to they
say, hey, we've got one,

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and then a year later it grows, you know, a couple of random

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gray black, white hairs, whatever
the paint washes off or whatever. Yeah,

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and so what happened was just two
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in Texas said, I believe I've
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and it was such a they'd already
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right, and so they transported them
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Jews, so they could be put
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years. Now, so big was
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that was welcomed by the government of
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there in the airport when these red
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Bible, if you knew the Old
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Oh yeah, exactly right. So
what I'm trying to say is we've never

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lived, no one's ever lived in
the prophetic fulfillment times that we're living in

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today. Think about it from nineteen
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Think of all the things that I've
already talked about, and I mentioned

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many others, but think of just
those things that you're living in. In

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two thousand years of history, people
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Bible. But yet the reaction to
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Bible in Isaiah nine, chapter eleven. Interestingly enough, the responses by our

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ruling government at the time was very
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when Israel's walls were broken and they
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attitude. Is that the reason that
you know that they came under captivity was

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because not because of their behavior toward
God, but because their walls weren't strong

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enough. They needed to up their
military game, so to speak, and

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they missed the whole point of God's
judgment. Then, and ironically enough,

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fast forward to nine to eleven,
two thousand and one, America echoes the

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same defiance. Yeah, and what's
you know, it's a fascinating study.

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You know, think about like this. There is what the Bible says,

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Okay, then we interpret it.
What does it mean? Then we go

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into deduction. Okay, let's put
A and B together, see what we

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come up with. And I think
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The fastening thing was that it was
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believe it was sixteen twenty four that
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it was called sailed into New York
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on nine to eleven. On two
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of the attack, that ship had
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was a replica of the original ship
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nine to eleven, and I do
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in American history, it was on
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build or began construction on the Pentagon
in nine to eleven, and you start

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to see some of these pieces,
and there were three thousand people that were

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a part of building let's say,
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many years to nine to eleven that
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we see the death of about three
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It's fascinating, it really is.
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which was the epicenter for abortion right
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also you know fast forward to how
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least the effectual point on COVID how
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that's where COVID just had a massive
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headquarters for abortion. And you know, the ultimate I believe, the ultimate

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thumb in the eye of Almighty God
himself to say, you know, we

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are the controllers of life, not
God Almighty. Yeah. And it's fascinating

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when you study you go back to
nineteen sixteen, and that's when really uh

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Sangster, you know, Marcus Sangster
really began her her her drive forward in

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that and and brought blood on the
land. And the blood on the land

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is crying out for you know,
vengeance and judgment and reconciliation, all those

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things. And so we're living in
a nation that's very complex and we want

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to make it super simple. I
remember when America to me was very simple.

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and that was a bit of naive. But you know, now we see

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the curtains been pulled back, you
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we see what's really going on sometimes
behind the scenes. So what's the key.

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The key is and this is where
the hope comes in in the book.

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The key is that we there are
things we can do that God.

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We've seen through the prayers of Abraham
where God diverted judgment through Jonah, the

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preaching of Jonah diverted judgment. He
can do that in our day. There's

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also ways to get involved, so
not just living our life and being faithful,

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but also getting engaged in politics.
Not because politics is the end game,

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but it is the game we have
to play in this world in order

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to preserve righteousness and defend the tenets
of our constitution. Exactly. Yeah,

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Because if not that, then why
America? Then why did God give rise

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to a land that would represent freedom, that would represent these Judeo Christian principles?

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Right? Yeah, and the whole
move You know, a lot of

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people don't realize this, but about
seventy five to eighty percent of all missionary

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money to really evangelize disciple and win
the world to the knowledge of God,

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it all comes out of America.
Exactly. You draft this ship, you

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essentially stopped the entire worldwide mission movement. Well, I have said quite often,

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and I think I've said this to
you, Phil that you know,

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in mentioning what happened in Nineva,
that's what we can pray for is anen

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of a moment, by God's grace
and mercy, that there would be that

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opportunity of revival that could come.
And like ninev A. Uh, it

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started with you know, God's call
upon a reluctant missionary to not go to

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Ninevah because he knew God was going
to you know, extend his grace and

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mercy to this evil land that was
deserving a judgment. But that was man's

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idea. But God had a higher
idea. And the response was incredible.

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And it's a response that we're praying
for, you know, for America and

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for the world, is that the
call to repentance would be so profound phil

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that like the Ninovites, that the
animals even wore sack cloth asking you know,

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in in a sense, you know, representing a call you know,

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for forgiveness, uh, you know, by God of their sins. That's

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how serious Thannovites, you know,
responded to this call for repentance. Well,

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and you know a lot of people
they can they can go there.

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And that's long time ago. Let's
go a little bit more contemporary. How

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about the Great Welsh Revival of nineteen
oh four. So powerful was that that

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the atmosphere of God was so strong
that people were falling under conviction and repenting

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without a preacher or without a Bible. Literally, sailors would come in and

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the reports of them falling on their
faith. Because God becomes atmospheric in terms

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of his conviction, his power,
and his authority, and so some of

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what happens in this matter of revival. I've studied it somewhat. I'm not

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an expert, but it is.
It is simply a sovereign move of God.

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You typically can trace it back to
one or two people, or one

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or two prayer meetings or two events
where it seemed to get started, but

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it wasn't them because it wasn't even
that important or that special. It was

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just like God said, Okay,
I'm ready to move. And we see

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God moving worldwide. It's not that
he's not moving. We see sometimes it's

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in smaller areas. Times it's in
big areas in other countries. Right now,

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for example, a lot of people
don't know this, but the underground

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church in China has a greater population
than the population of America. Exactly.

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Yeah, I know. That's to
think about that. And here they are,

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they're in meetings, this underground you
know, meetings last three four hours

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in America. Anything that goes over
an hour, you know, the faith

446
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will get a little cranky. Yeah, if it's you know, if it's

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too easy and too comfortable, we
don't value it too much. And until

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freedoms are taken away, we don't
value freedom. And that was why nine

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to eleven seemed to be a wake
up call that only lasted about a month,

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and that was you know, the
return to church, a return to

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God. And then everybody said,
oh, I guess we're okay, and

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back into complacency again, much like
the pattern of Israel and the Old Testament,

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where you know, God blessed them, they were disobedient, God judged

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them, they repented, God blessed
them. And you see that cycle of

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complacency that falls in our individual lives
and a nation, and we see it

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in biblical history. Yeah, it
is the nature of humanity. And thank

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God for his grace and mercy.
God understands that, Doesney Felm. He

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does. And you know, one
of the things I try to bring back

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in the book is the idea that
we can live with hope and we can

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live with courage, and when you
live in the will of God, and

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you live with courage and hope.
Even though circumstances around you might fall apart,

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you don't fall apart. It's when
you don't have a strong base and

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things around you fall apart that you
fall apart. So really, what I

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want to do is I want to
strengthen. You know people that read this

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book and say, wow, I
never realized that I had actually courage and

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hope that I could access so easily. I talk about fear in one of

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the chapters, and this is that
fear is. We know it's an emotion,

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but fear is more than that.
Fear is also a spirit. According

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to the Bible, God has given
us spirit of fear, but of love,

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power, and of a sound.
And so fear, when it grips

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your heart, makes it just basically
incapacitates you to do anything else you don't

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want. You know, you're afraid
to send your kids to school, you're

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afraid to go onto vacation, You're
afraid. You're afraid, you're afraid,

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you're afraid of the economy, so
you don't spend. All these things are

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just part that come from fear,
and fear never wins. You never win

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with fear. If you teach your
kids to be fearful. You've read them,

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that's you know. Another chapter that
I think is really interesting is America

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needs more blacksmiths. And a lot
of people I know they're going to read

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that with intrigue and think what is
that all about. Well, one of

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the strategies of the enemy, the
Philistines, was to go in when they

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captured Israel and to remove all the
blacksmiths from the nation. Now what that

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did was it meant that they could
not make weapons of war exactly. So

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now they can't make spears, they
can't make swords, but they also could

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not sharpen their tools for their agricultural
lifestyle. And so what they had to

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do was they had to go to
the Philistines to have things sharpened. They

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were forbidden from having any swords.
And I parallel that with what's happening today.

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So if you take free speech away, you're basically taking away a weapon

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exactly, you know. And then
if you make us dependent on the government

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for everything, then we're going to
them to have the tools sharpened, so

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to speak, because we can't function
without the government. This is all by

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design and strategy. And the more
that you fall into pace with that,

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the more you're going to feel the
control. And that's why we've been talking

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about it, Bill for several years. In many ways, you create parallel

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universes, You create a way that
you function outside of the system as much

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as you can. We see the
rise of homeschooling in America because why because

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we don't like the system. So
we're going to, you know, even

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at cost to us or expense to
us, we're going to put our kids

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in a private school, a Christian
school, or we're going to homeschool them

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because we don't like, we don't
like what the government school's offering us exactly.

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You know. Well, getting back
to what you were talking about there

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in the time of the Philistines and
how they you know, controlled the weaponization

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or the defenses of Israel. I
mean, you have the same thing as

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you mentioned here. I mean,
our Second Amendment right is under attack,

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and it is our Second Amendment right
that ensures our First Amendment doesn't it It

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does, And that's what I mean. There's there's two things that as Christians

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you have to keep your eye on. One is you have certain rights as

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a citizen of this nation that is
supported by the Constitution. But secondly,

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you have the right as a citizen
of heaven, as a believer, to

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00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.960
not bow your need to anyone except
King Jesus. And whenever the government says,

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bow your knee. You know,
California was the first state that offered

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in shelter, being shelter in place. Our government said our lockdown was first,

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and he said basically classified the church
as a non essential of business.

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And and that's when you know,
we as a church said no, we're

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not going to listen to that.
We're going to we're going to open our

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church and we're going to acknowledge only
that God is king. And if you

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remember that the history, that's kind
of the big issue that happened in the

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founding of our nation. It was
that England was ruled by a king and

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the king was law, yes,
and what we just said, no,

519
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God is law, and that that
was the big difference. That was the

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big division. You can talk about
taxation all you want, you can talk

521
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about anything else, but the big
issue was who's going to rule the destiny

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of mankind. Is it going to
be a despotic king who arbitrarily determines your

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future, or is it going to
be God Almighty, who is the giver

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of rights and giver of truth,
and protects all society and makes all men

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equal before Him in terms of their
their relationship to God. Well, and

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that again we're reminded of the arrogance
of the elite ruling class, self appointed

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00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.840
ruling class that they say they are. Is that the big exchange was churches

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are non essential, but strip joints
are. I mean, that's how ludicrous

529
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it was. Yeah, And the
great thing about this is the Supreme Court,

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due to actually a pastor friend of
mine, Pastor Cheyan at Harvest Rock

531
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.639
and Pasadena, he and others brought
this, It came to the Supreme Court,

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and that decision has been made.
So now that's not going to be

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if you have another lockdown. We're
not going down that road again. So

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00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:43.639
the good news is our constitution actually
does work, our Supreme Court actually does

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work. And now we've got other
issues. I think every generation has a

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00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.880
problem they have to solve exactly,
and you don't have to keep solving the

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00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.039
same problem. Once it's solved.
We've solved that problem. Now we've got

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new problems. And that new problem
may be anything from gender, which we

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00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.239
know a lot of people don't even
know the history of it. It actually

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00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:06.719
didn't even it's not been around that
long. It was John Money who created

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it in nineteen fifty five. Exactly. There was no gender before that.

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Now we've got sex, gender and
personality exactly. People are all confused all

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00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.000
of that, And what we really
need to understand is gender was a created

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thing by someone who wanted to a
firm lifestyle of transsexual, homosexual and others.

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And that's why gender was created in
the psychological laboratory of mine of John

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Money. Wow. Wow, Yeah, there it is. And because we

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didn't catch it, then it becomes
more complicated. It's like that pennzoil commercial.

548
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.559
Right, you can pay me now
or pay me later. The inference

549
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.920
is if you pay now, it's
always less expensive and less complicated. If

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it's later, much more complicated,
just like an Ecclesiastics What happens with sin?

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Right, because it's not the consequences
of sin are not necessarily accounted for

552
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:12.000
immediately. It builds up into a
network, and it compounds, doesn't it

553
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.840
it does? You know? It's
interesting because Watchmannee in his book Spiritual Authority,

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talks about two different kinds of sins. One is a sin against God's

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authority, and one's against the sin
against his holiness. And he identifies that

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in Matthew twelve where he says that
sins against the Son of Man will be

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forgiven in this life and in the
life to come, but sins against Holy

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Spirit will not be forgiven. And
the issue there is that you might have

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behavioral sins, meaning sins against holiness, and those are lightweight compared to sins

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against authority. When I reject God's
authority, I put myself in a different

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category altogether. And so it's important
to know that because a lot of people

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they get so down on themselves because
they blew it, they made a mistake,

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they sinned whatever. Right, Well, hey, listen, there's restoration.

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You know, all these things that
happen simply as a believer going to

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God God, I like to confess
to you that that was wrong, and

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I like to move forward. When
I'm sinning against the authority of God and

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I say God is not God,
and I reject God from my life,

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now we're in a whole different game, exactly. And this is this is

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the national sin that America is committing
now. Exactly. If God is not

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relevant, God is not an authority. This is what frightens me, not

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the behavioral sin of Americans. It
is the authority the sin against the authority

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of God. Well, in speaking
of the behavioral sin, God understood this.

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And and in our arrogance, we
we want it is arrogant to think

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that whatever sin we've committed is unforgivable. But God really trumped it in a

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sense. I mean when he sent
his son Phil who who would send one

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of their kids to go save people
that don't like you? They speak ill

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of you, there's stiff necked.
But God says, no, I you

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know, I want you to be
home where you belong. And I see

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that you're frustrated in a sense.
And I shared this with somebody else earlier

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today. Is that in this universe
where round pegs and square holes you know

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00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:30.039
these, and where these you know, you get that that fit. It's

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00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:36.159
just a you know, it's a
very abrasive fit. It's uncomfortable, it's

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bothersome and we know instinctively something is
not right. And God knew that.

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And in order to make it right
and to make us round pegs and round

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holes again, we need Jesus.
Well, and you know, everyone pretty

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well knows, and I say everyone. I use that term in a way

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00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.559
I probably shouldn't, but I mean, most people have a sense that something's

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not right exactly. That means with
their own life, with their family,

589
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.400
with their nation and whatever. We
were out at a restaurant and I was

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bringing a copy of my new book
Uh to my son because he wanted a

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copy, and the people sitting next
to us said, that's an interesting title.

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I think it's true. They don't
know anything about it. I don't

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know if they're Christians or not.
They say it's and they said, indeed,

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it is midnight in America. And
that was just a random reaction that

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allowed me to kind of get into
a conversation. As it turned out,

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00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:36.000
they were not Christians. They didn't
really connect with Christianity, but they said,

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we're going to get the book because
we believe it is midnight in America.

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And you know, the prophetic clock, we don't know how fast it

599
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.760
ticks. You know, the question
that was asked of Jesus in you know,

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in Matthew twenty four one through three
was when when you know? And

601
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what is the sign of your return? And he didn't answer it specifically with

602
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.760
a chronological date. And I think
we look and say, okay, he

603
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.800
said, there are some things that
have to happen first. So we are

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00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.400
definitely living in a season where we
can say, you know what, we

605
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.800
don't know when it is, but
it doesn't appear to be that far off

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unless something changes exactly. And so
the Bible says, when you see the

607
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day of the Lord approaching, this
is the Book of Hebrews, it says,

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then don't forget to gather together,
to assemble yourselves together all the more

609
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.079
as you see the day approaching.
So what is that saying. That's saying

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this is not a time to disconnect
from church. This is a time to

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connect even more than you ever have
before, to be in fellowship even more

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than you have been before. Phil
Hodson Pillar, that's the admonition of this

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book. It's midnight in America.
Coun front fear, and embrace courage as

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the final hour approaches. In these
last two minutes that we have together,

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Phil, I'll let you summarize and
bring us home. And again, the

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book is now available in all the
usual places. It is a must read.

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And well, hey, we've given
you a great tease here of all

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the blessings that are before us and
the hope and encouragement that we can have

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in God. Right. Amen,
Well, I think the final admonition is

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this that everyone needs a resource,
everyone needs a tool as a companion to

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your Bible. So nothing will supplement
your Bible, but take the Bible,

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take this book, and then just
cross reference all the scriptures I've given you

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so that you can be better equipped, better understand what's happening in our world

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today and you can look forward with
faith, hope, courage and really be

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the people of God that God has
called you to be. And I just

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want to thank you for your support. I'd love to see you get a

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copy of it, buy one for
your friend, and encourage them to pass

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them on to other people without a
doubt exactly. Will Hotson Pillar, Senior

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pastor of Influenced Church Anaheim Hills,
California, Founder president of Americanfaith dot com,

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and the author of It's Midnight in
America. Pastor Phil, thank you

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so much, God bless thank you
Bill Well. Thank you for sharing a

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part of your day with us,
and you know and picking up a copy

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of this book, It's Midnight in
America. It will bless you richly and

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prepare you for the times to come. Thank you for being with us.

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May God bless you and keep you. May make his face shine upon you.

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May He be gracious unto you and
give you his peace. God bless