In Their Own Words-A three-volume series on the words of our Founding Fathers.

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for choosing W for c Y Radio. Well, welcome, Good to have

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you with us. Bill Martinez here, Well, we've got a very fascinating

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guest, Judge Mark Mark Booster is
going to be joining us because we were

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just a moment here. He is
going to be joining us. He has

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written just a wonderful three volume set
about what our founding fathers would think.

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I mean, it's tough enough.
I mean, we're living out this nightmare

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and wondering what the heck is going
on with our country, what's happening to

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our constitutional republic, this great American
idea. And I don't know if it

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ever crossed your mind, but to
think, what would our founding fathers think

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two hundred and forty seven years later
with the America that they turned over to

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us. Judge Mark Bunster as with
us right now, Judge, welcome to

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the show. Good to have you
with us. All right, Bill,

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thanks again for having me. Great
to be back. Well, it's an

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honor, you know, to talk
about, you know, this country,

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this great American idea is that we're
put together by uh, you know,

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founding fathers. And as you noted
in your series here, you know,

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it was an interesting group of of
you know, people that really got behind

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this great American idea, right yeah, and a in a you know,

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a larger group than what most people
think of a lot of people think of

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Washington, Madison, Jefferson and whatnot. But what I decided to tackle in

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this book is anyone who signed one
or more of our three founding documents,

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the Declaration of Independence, the Articles
of Confederation in the United States Constitution,

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which turned out to be one hundred
and eighteen men. Wow. Yeah,

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And the thing is by the same
token, you know, even one hundred

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and eighteen men. Uh. You
know, we remind our our viewers and

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our audience, Judge that it wasn't
like there was one hundred percent compliance.

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I mean, these these men were
so convicted by what was you know,

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lying before and this opportunity to create
and be a part of something that heretofore

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the world had never experienced. That's
true. Now, they weren't all the

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same. Some were, you know, like Samuel Adams, were of you

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know, rebels to the core and
were out in front. Others dragged but

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ultimately came along. And yeah,
we ended up with one hundred and eighteen

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men who signed at least one of
them the documents, two who signed all

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three, and I think twenty one
signed some combination of two of them.

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Yeah, and as they were going
through this process, uh yeah, I

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mean this was just absolutely genius,
wasn't it. I Mean it wasn't like

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they had a tempt like to work
off of uh you know in a sense,

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although in the other sense they did. They had the Word of God,

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Judeo Christian principles, right, yeah, there was, but there was

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no, like you said, there
was no template in the sense of a

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country like it before. We were
something unique, something different. I mean,

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the world was used to tyrants and
monarchs, and sometimes the church itself

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was involved in the in the affairs
of state, and there were some abuses

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in the old churches as well,
but this was different. They came here

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because of religious persecution, a lot
of them, and they came here and

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founded a country different than any other
where we expressly recognized that we're a free

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people, and we're free because our
rights come from God, exactly and judge.

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This is what. So it was
so instrumental about the church's involvement because

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that was second nature, the understanding
that the rights were inalienable, that they

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came from God, not from government. Past experience had demonstrated to them time

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and time again. What the government
gave it could willy nilly take away,

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that's for sure. And you may
try to set up something different here where

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our rights did not come from government
and we governed ourselves, we the people.

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That was something very unique. So
this series, in their own words,

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I mean this thing as you're as
you're developing this, I mean,

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this is quite a project. This
isn't something you did just during COVID.

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I mean you sense a number of
years and a lifetime the experience involved in

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the writing of these three volumes.
So when you first started out to uh,

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you know, I believe I got
to tell you, judge, this

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is a real gift in light of
where we are right now, in helping

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us get back to as we've been
saying time and again, first principles,

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you know, like anything like any
institution, a corporate corporation, when they've

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lost their mark and lost their way
and they see business and a downturn,

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they go back and say, Okay, when did we make a wrong turn

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here? And I believe this is
where we are today in America, is

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that we need people like yourselves,
books like this to help us pause and

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think about a moment where where was
it that we made the wrong turn that

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is delivering the kind of results that
is not consistent with our founding? Is

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that fair to say? That's fair
to say, and and and you're right

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this this didn't happen overnight, and
it was started out. It's just an

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idea in my mind. Literally about
nine years ago, I would say,

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when I when I really researching and
putting pen to paper. But the reason

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I did is I just even then
nine years ago, was beside myself looking

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at what to me seemed we had
strayed very far from what our founding fathers,

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These one hundred and eighteen men and
others in us to be as a

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country. And I was sort of
beside myself with what had happened to our

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country in lots of ways. And
I came to the conclusion that there was

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one fundamental, underlying, overriding reason
for all the ways that had happened,

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and that was that we had lost
God. And God was so fundamental to

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these men and to the founding of
this country that what I really set out

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to do was to say, look, don't worry what my opinions are.

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You may not care what my opinions
are, but you ought to care about

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our founding fathers. They established this
country, and I think we don't teach

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it anymore. And I was trying
to provide honest, truthful, factual information

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to the American people about the founding
of this nation and the men who founded

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it, to to remind them how
central religion was to the finding this country,

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and then simply to pose the question
in the book in each chapter,

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not my opinion, your opinion,
what do you think once you learn about

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this man and one in each chapter, and what you see in his own

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words, what he said about religion
and its place in our society. And

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then I'd give you one example from
modern day America, where we are today.

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I just posed the question for the
reader to answer for themselves. What

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would John Adams? What would Benjamin
Franklin? What William Paca? You name

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it? What you think of this
event in modern day America and more generally,

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where we are today as a country. And I got to tell you

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I started working on this about nine
years ago. It was an eight year

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project. Volume three came out,
Well, it will be a year in

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December. I never could have a
man imagine in my wildest dreams how much

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farther we could have fallen as a
nation in those next eight years. I

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thought it was was necessary to get
the word out. Then it's even more

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necessary and timely today. I think, well, and that's the That's the

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thing that I consider. I got
to tell you, Mark Beca, is

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that I consider timing and and just
like the founding of our nation, it

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was God's timing. And I believe
the timing of your books is in accordance

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with God's timeline. And it's up
to us, Like you said, it's

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it's up to us to reconnect with
our founding. I say, our birthright.

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I think our birthright is so critical
in this as American citizens. In

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the Bible, we read how important
birthright is. You know, when you

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consider the story of Esau and Jacob
right, Esau kind of throw away,

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took for granted his birthright and gave
it away for a bowl of boridge.

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And you hear shortly there after that
God God was upset with that, and

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he expressed it very succinctly by saying
that Esa he hated, Jacob he loved

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and the manifestation of Esau's rejection of
his birthright was an offense to God.

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And I believe in a sense,
you know what is happening in America,

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with some people turning their back on
God, rejecting their God given birthright for

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this country to be a light,
as John Winthrop said, a light to

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a dark world. I believe insults
Almighty God, and there is I believe

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there's an inevitable judgment that is forecast
for this nation as a result. Yeah,

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and I hope you know, candidly, I'm a humble mosque guy,

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but I hope God uses this in
some way to further whatever purpose he can

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to write the ship of our country. I'll tell you that I'm truth.

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Is you know, I was working
hard to get this done in the beginning,

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and I honestly didn't realize the scope
of what I was taking on one

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hundred and eighteen different men and from
much it was fake. It wasn't intended

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to do three volumes, but it
turned into three volumes necessarily. But there

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was a time early on when I
said to myself, and I said to

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my wife, I need to get
this out. Maybe I should do bridged

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edition or something that I don't have
to do all of the research I can

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put out, you know, the
quotes and that kind of thing. And

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finally I said to myself, you
know, well I can't cram this into

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my own calendar. Just do it
and guess time. He'll figure out the

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time on the right way. And
that's that's how it happened. Yeah,

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and here and here we are.
We're talking with Judge Mark Boonstruck his book

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and their own words of volume one, two and three. Volume one is

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the New England Colonies. We're going
to get into that Today's godless America.

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What would our founding fathers think,
Judge? You know, for you here

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you are, you're on the bench. You're seeing the reality of what's happened

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to our kind three that in this
modern culture has turned its back on God.

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And you see, you see it
not getting better, it's getting worse.

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And as you said, even as
you were writing, you know,

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writing this what started out as one
book and now became, you know,

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a three volume set, I imagine
the sense of urgency kept growing in you

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as you were you know, developing
your ideas. It did. And the

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fact every election I was thinking,
I have to get this out before the

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election. The voters need to see
this, you know. But like I

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said, I did it in God's
time. I hope, I hope he

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uses it as the timing is right
as far as the Court's concerned, I

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tell you, I you know,
we see all kinds of cases, but

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some of the things that I see
that people can do to each other just

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bog mind. How can that happen
in a godly world? It's just amazing.

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Well, you know, to think
and also mark how fast it's happened

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here. You know, as you
said, you know, you started writing

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the book and you're thinking, there's
got to be the sensitive urgency, and

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it's getting worse and worse. I
mean, here we are, I mean,

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you know, uh, we're dealing
with. You know, probably now

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you know, well Over, you
know what we were at. We were

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at sixty million abortions, not counting
abortifatians, abortifacient abortions. We're talking about,

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well over, you know, one
hundred million and counting. That's just

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in America alone. And when you
consider that kind of activity, and we've

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become a culture of death resulting from
that. Therefore, and then you have

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the the sexual deviancy and manifestation that's
happening all around our country. Our kids

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are being captured. The public schools
are participating in this. They're telling parents

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that the kids belong to them,
which is I mean, where in the

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constitution have they possibly twisted twisted their
thinking in the narrative to think that our

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children belong to them and that they
can do anything with the kids, including

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sex changes. Yeah. Yeah,
And you know sometimes I talked to groups,

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including homeschool group recently, and we
talked about the book and some of

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the examples and what to do about
it. But you know, and I

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say to them, you know,
I hate to be overly simplistic, but

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I think it really is simpler than
what we sometimes think it is. And

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I describe it in the book as
at this is just a continuation of the

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battle that has been ongoing since Satan
fell from heaven. It's a good versus

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evil. It is really that simple, and we need to fight on the

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side of good because right now evil's
on the rise. Yeah. Well,

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well, no doubt, because what's
happened is we've moved God out of the

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culture and a vacuum will not exist, and Satan's happy to you know,

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come in, you say, since
the fall of Satan. I go back

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to you know, Jennus says,
when you know, when God became the

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first example of a cancel culture,
when Satan talked to our parents and convinced

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them that they could be as God's
right. Yeah, right, I mean

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it's insane, it's crazy. But
you know, I'd like to think that

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we as a people, as a
human race, we've been around now for

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how long thousands of years at least, right, and you'd think that we

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would progress and develop, And I'm
afraid we're regressing, if anything. And

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sometimes I think, to be honest
with you know, we've made so many

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technological developments. We're we're on the
computer here looking at each other, right,

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right, and I sometimes think,
to be honest with you, that

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with all of the advances man mankind
makes, there's a humors involved in that,

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and we start to think we control
everything and we manage everything, and

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we forget about God, that God's
really in charge. Well, and this

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is why in the Bible says God's
laughs, you know, man makes his

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plan, God's God laugh because you
know, like you said, we think

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we know better goes back to that
that first lie in the Garden of Eden

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that uh, you know, we
ended up paying a big price. And

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the thing is is that what's happened
is that we keep going in this same

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cycle. We keep repeating you know, as you say, you would think

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we'd know better, but it's because
we really are not interested in history,

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and we keep reinventing the will.
We keep crashing and burning, and we

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injure people. And I think about, you know, where we are right

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now, judge the lives that are
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for me where I'm at in my
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but I just I look at every
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at other people and their lives being
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Why wasted? Why? Why?
After you know the races ran that

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you're going to find yourself in a
situation where there's regrets, and it should

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occur, would have when you finally
realize what the truth was and how silly

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we were to ignore the obvious truth
right right? And and ultimately, you

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know, you and I are a
little bit older these days. I hate

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to admit it, but you know, and but ultimately we have to think

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about our kids and our grandkids kids, and I candid, I worry about

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what kind of a world we're leading
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don't know if we don't care about
history, but some of it it isn't

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taught anymore right now. The truth
of history isn't taught anymore. They teach

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it with the slant that they want
to teach with it, and our kids

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and grandkids don't then have a foundational
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this country was intended to be when
it was founded. Well, they're purposely

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being disempowered here, mark, are
they not? Because if you don't have

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and what we're speaking from is experience, And like I often tell my kids,

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I said, look at I'm not
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but I can give you experience.
I can tell you what's happened to me.

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And the other thing that they hear
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So if you're not in the game
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going to listen to other people to
define the preference for you. But you

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know that's not the way God designed
the world. God designed it in such

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a way that it's our own individual
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what we're going to be responsible for. And even if you say, well,

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I didn't make that choice, but
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supposedly because some people think, well, you know, if I'm not

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involved and it doesn't matter, it
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isn't it. It is a choice. And I guess I would add to

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what you said that you know,
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and that's the truth of it.
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but it's the secular left the atheist
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by design, and this has been
happening for decades now by design, they

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took over education in America, they
took over journalism in America, they took

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over entertainment in America. That's what
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that they here, unless we take
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things to make sure they're properly educated
ourselves. But if that becomes the source

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of all of their knowledge, they
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them to think, and they forget
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Well, the thing is in this
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Mark as you know, kids,
our kids are bombarded with information, but

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it's up to us as parents,
as grandparents to teach them about critical theory

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thinking because this is not happening in
the classroom, because unfortunately, the classrooms,

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sadly in more in too many places, they've become indoctrination centers as opposed

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to educate ocational centers. They have. And I would add to that what

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I talk about a lot in the
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our founding fathers talk about in all
of the quotations that I've provided in the

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books, that look at Benjamin Rush
he's a Prime. Maybe a primary example,

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it was a sign of the declaration
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Americans American medicine. And I could
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they all talk about how our education
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and religion is the foundation of morality
and virtue. Rush adamantly advocated for

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the teaching of the Bible and the
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the feet of ministers exactly, both
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and a lot of them in college. Well look what Adams said, look

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at Look, look at Madison.
Others have said, Franklin, that morality,

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the things you're talking about that couples
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If you don't have people that are
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of God, the constitution is worthless. It will implode on itself. And

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this Mark, I'm afraid, is
what we're starting to see. We've got

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to go to quick break. When
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we're continuing our conversation with a Judge,

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Mark Boonstra, the Michigan Court of
Appeals judge talking about this new series

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in their own words of volume one, two and three. The first one

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is about the New England colonies.
Mark, let's talk about volume one specifically

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and what our audience can enjoy when
they get involved and engage with your book,

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because this is something I believe that
I just see families engaging in this

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because this is the This is the
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learning in school and are not.
But this is in a way, it

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gives us a chance to, you
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do over or a remedial opportunity to
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Because if we're going to get this
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get back to first principles. And
the first principles of order involve number one,

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our relationship with God, and number
two this Declaration of Independence and the

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Constitution of the United States. Do
you think absolutely? I gotta tell you

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a story. When these volumes one
and two first came out a couple about

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a year or so ago, I
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she, like so many others,
when I was describing this book, was

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just open jawed, and she said
to me, thank you. You have

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no idea how much time and effort
you have saved me, because this is

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a resource you're not going to get
in schools, and it's hard to find.

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I think one thing I would say, though, because I have come

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to appreciate three volumes, they're they're
they're all pretty thick. It seems daunting,

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But I would describe it as both
comprehensive and that we're covering all one

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hundred and eighteen signers, but not
easy to read and bite size because each

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chapter is relatively small. It's a
biography of between two and thirty pages and

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a series of quotations and an example
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So really, people can read it
in you know, whatever pace they

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want, one signer at a time, jump around volume, divine if you

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want. There's no necessary order,
and it's shouldn't they shouldn't be overwhelmed by

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the girl of the series. Well
it can, I mean, especially if

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you get all three books at the
same time. You're going, oh my

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goodness, I'm back in college again. No, it's okay, Yeah,

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I mean, there really are bite
size morsels and and I love that you

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started again with first principles. You
started by laying out the Declaration of Independence,

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the Constitution of the United States,
the signers thereof that were involved in

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there, and uh, it's I
got to imagine for homeschool moms and homeschool

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kids. Uh, you know,
especially the moms and maybe the older generation.

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As they read this, it's like
the light goes on. It kind

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of reminds me away. You know
when Mark, you know, when I

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read in the Old Testament and the
children of Israel, you know, the

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temple would be destroyed, and you
know, the king would say, okay,

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hey, let's get the let's get
the temple scared away, let's rebuild

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the temple. And uh, you
know, the officials would go in and

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they'd come back to the come back
to the King and go, oh and

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we found this book here. You
know, Uh, this is pretty odd.

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I mean, we've really kind of
messed up. And the king and

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Humility understands that they've messed up.
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become penitent and ask for God's forgiveness. Because the light came on. And

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in a way, in not as
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in some significant way in reading the
Constitution, I could see where the light

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would go on and people would say, wow, we have really abused our

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birthright as a nation. We've offended
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that he has given us, and
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same thing. And I just so
appreciate that you opened up the series like

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that. Yeah. Each volume intentionally
starts out with a section on our founding

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Documents, and it starts out with
an introduction of my own that I've written

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about the founding documents and how they
came to be. But then it includes

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the full text of the Declaration of
Independence and the Articles of Confederation and the

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United States Constitution, because how often
do we read those? But I think

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every now and then we need a
reminder, we need one hundred percent.

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I agree. We we always tell
people like on the fourth of July,

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Memorial Day, any special holiday,
you know, when we have our backyard

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picnics. Uh. This was a
story anecdotally that we shared about Charles Kronheimer,

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a Fox News contributor and and writer, and what he would do.

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I think it was like fourth of
July. People would come over and he

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would have everybody take turns reading the
Constitution, and uh, you know,

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the people commented, even even people
like one Williams for example, commented that

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it was such a blessing to experience
that and an enlightenment to realize again what

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shifts need to be made mentally to
say, Okay, when you read this

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document, you think, Okay,
how's my thinking? How how am I

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addressing what our founding fathers had addressed? How does it comport with what I'm

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reading today? And I think it's
very powerful, and it's it's a habit

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that I'm encouraging our viewers and our
listeners to do on any of these holidays.

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Now, put the hot dog for
a second, put it down for

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a second, and come together as
a family, as friends, as neighbors,

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and read the Constitution. And I
can tell you personally, when we

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have done that, this has been
such a blessing. And it's like one

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of those things where people going,
how come we're just starting to do this?

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How come we haven't done this before? Right? Why aren't we doing

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that in our schools right now?
And one of the things that I've tried

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to do in the book too is
not only include the text, but I've

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highlighted those aspects of the documents that
refer to our creator. For example,

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that ton of demonstrate with the language
that they used how foundational Christianity and religion

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was to the Founders in drafting these
documents use the word blessings several times.

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Just now, the Constitution uses the
word blessings of liberty. Well, that's

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no accident. Liberty was a blessing
from God, and they recognize that even

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in crafting you know, the Constitution
and the articles. They're sort of governing

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documents, so they can be a
little dry in some respects when they set

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up the branches of government, but
even there in the introductory language, they

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talked about how it was the blessings
of liberty that they were that they were

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embedding into our country. Yeah,
and the thing that's amazing market has got

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to be interesting for you, you
know, as a judge, as an

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attorney and going through the whole process
understanding the rule of law. When you

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here and watch people opine about something
to know so little about, and you

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realize really quick quickly how disconnected,
you know, from the rule of law

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and our constitution because we have this
sense of you know, today, this

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mob rule in this idea so most
like you know, might makes right somehow

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that that's arising in our culture,
and it's like, oh, you know,

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what are we doing here? You
know, Yeah, it's I'm truly

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concerned about the might make make makes
right idea. We are we are,

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I'm afraid, becoming a much more
authoritarian, tyrannical nation. And it's the

412
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left who's in charge of that right
now, right the so called anti fascists

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who in my mind are truly fascists. And can we can we can we

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define the left? I mean,
the left is a real I mean it

415
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is a real body of people.
And for me, where I see them,

416
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you know, coming out quite glaringly. Are these elites these people?

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I mean, like, for example, there were somebody talking about journalism and

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how the journalism schools have been overtaken
by the elite universities, and you have

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this think and I think it's roughly
I think they said thirty nine of the

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top university's command about ninety five percent
of people in media today. And so

421
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you've got kind of this this echo
chamber that is that is commondeered the media

422
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element of our institutions. And this
is just one, but it seems to

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be a consistent model, whether you're
talking about journalism, whether you're talking about

424
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social media, whether you're talking about
the government, when you talk about bureaucracy,

425
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you know, levels of corporate America
with some of the things, because

426
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you see where the manifestation of these
models are exposed and demonstrated to us,

427
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and it seems to be consistent.
So we call them the left. But

428
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what I see as a driving force
is this elitism, this idea mark that

429
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I know better than you, and
you're lucky that I'm born, because if

430
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it wasn't for me. Uh.
You know, you guys can't even figure

431
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out, you know, how to
fix dinner for yourselves. But this is

432
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why I need to be large and
in charge, and you need to do

433
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what I say, not what you
think. That's exactly right. They know

434
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better and uh and uh, and
therefore they are entitled to tell the rest

435
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of us how to live our lives. And if they don't know what to

436
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.319
make for dinner, they're gonna tell
us what to make for dinner because they

437
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.640
know what's best. And you know, I don't know exactly how you define

438
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:22.720
the left anymore. I think a
component of it is the secularism that we've

439
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.759
talked about. But I said to
one of my it has to be marked

440
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because it's godless. Yeah, it's
God told godless, because if God was

441
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in it, they would not they
would not be operating in this extreme,

442
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they wouldn't be operating for themselves.
They'd be operating for we the people,

443
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which is the basis of our constitution. But go ahead. You know,

444
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.799
in the in the old day,
is not that many years ago or decades

445
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.680
ago, we talked about conservative and
liberal And I said to one of my

446
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:50.359
colleagues the other day, Uh,
this is this. They aren't liberals.

447
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.799
Classical liberalism right all the way down
to the Kennedy era, John Kennedy,

448
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Robert Kennedy, and today Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who's a pro in

449
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his own party these days because he's
a classical liberal and not the elitist that

450
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you're talking about. Liberal liberalism means
you believe in freedom at its core,

451
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.920
liberty, that's the core of the
word. These people are not liberals because

452
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they don't believe in freedom, at
least not your freedom and my freedom.

453
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.480
Right. Well, yeah, they
don't. They don't believe in the freedom

454
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that comes from God because they don't
believe in God. And it's so funny

455
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.360
because what I find them They will
use the words, you know, they

456
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:37.320
capture these words freedom, life,
liberty, pursuit of happiness, but they

457
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.639
don't mean it. They really do
not have the gravitas. They don't they

458
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don't have the ethos in their spirits, in their very spirit. All it

459
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:51.920
is it's a foil to get them
to their next progressive step of controlling we

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the people. And they use terms
like by any means necessary, which I'm

461
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.480
not sure they appreciate the hypocrisy of
that, But what it means to me

462
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.639
is you you know the end because
we're the smartest, right, we're the

463
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.599
smartest. We know what the right
outcome is. We know what's right for

464
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you more than you do, and
we are going to force that outcome by

465
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.639
any means necessary. That's a that's
a leftist term, right. There's an

466
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.800
organization by that Bam Happy, and
that to me means lie, cheat,

467
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or steal whatever it takes, because
we the elitist, know what's best.

468
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.719
Well again, there's the contrast,
uh, you know, bringing it back

469
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.800
into the spiritual element of understanding the
things of God and what God represents.

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God represents God's life. He's loved
Without God, then the institutions become that

471
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become godless certainly, and they become
lifeless, you know, in any historical

472
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.840
context when they have been in charge, what is realized is mass carnage and

473
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devastation. That is incredible because when
I go back Mark and I read in

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the history books to see what happens
when the elitists take over and and there,

475
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and they take all kinds of forms, whether it's you know, Marxists

476
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or communism, socialism, it all
ends up with the same conclusion, doesn't

477
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.400
it. It does. They're all
authoritarians. They're all right, because they

478
00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:21.639
know more than you do and more
than what God does, and they reject

479
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.960
God as a as a foundation of
your of your liberty to decide for yourself.

480
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Well, and here we are.
You know, I consider the cumulative

481
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.800
intelligence in this country alone. What
are we about? Three hundred forty million

482
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people, and the cumulative intelligence of
three hundred and forty million people versus a

483
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:46.119
handful of bureaucrats by comparison, really, I mean, you're gonna match with

484
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with that kind of weight, you
know, because even when you think about

485
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:57.679
how our country began and the cumulative
intelligence, Yes, we had so many,

486
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uh you know, people who signed
the Doctor giments as you as you

487
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:07.360
write, but there were so many
other people behind these people that contributed to

488
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the construct of these founding documents.
Yeah, and there are some who you

489
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.360
would know their names who didn't make
it into the book. Sadly, even

490
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though I defined our founders very broadly
for purposes of this, but for in

491
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.119
a might it might mean I have
to write a volume for it at some

492
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:30.440
point I don't know, like Patrick, I'll call your wife and warner.

493
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:37.960
People like Patrick. Henry right liberty
or gimme death was not a signer,

494
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.400
in part because we didn't have a
Bill of Rights embedded in the constitution when

495
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it was adopted, so he wasn't
willing to sign it. He was another

496
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one who adamantly believed in the promotion
of religion and adamantly believed we shou and

497
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.840
he sort of lost this battle to
Thomas Jefferson. But that we should tax

498
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:01.760
people to support the church now doesn't
mean a particular church. That would mean

499
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the church of your choosing. But
nonetheless we should tax people because it's important

500
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that we support the church more generally, whichever one you decide to support,

501
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.599
right exactly, Well was one of
our great founders and sadly didn't make it

502
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into into and maybe volume four he'll
make it into Well. He's in our

503
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.760
Hall of fame because the thing is
is that he's going back to God's structure

504
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:30.199
and matter of things. When he
structured Israel, there was a there was

505
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:36.519
a system to take care of the
priest, the temple, and and it

506
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.639
was a tax process. So I
can see where he did that. You

507
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:45.599
know, you mentioned his commitment to
the First Amendment, and I'll tell you

508
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.320
more and more marks as I am. I don't know aging. I guess

509
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.000
I just have fallen more in love
with the First Amendment, right, And

510
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.440
I see that as being so critical
on so many levels, especially in light

511
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of the camp and so culture that
we're dealing with right now, which is

512
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:07.000
an absolute obliteration of our First Amendment, right. And it astounds me.

513
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:13.519
It astounds me how our government and
others will allow, you know, the

514
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.480
social media oligarchs and others just to
come in and tell you shut up.

515
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.440
You know, you can't say anything. You know, we've had a what

516
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.039
was it a senator who told told
men you know in Congress that you know,

517
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.159
you just need to shut up and
sit down. How dare you?

518
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.760
I mean, really, how dare
you? Well? I think the reason

519
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:37.280
the First Amendment has become so dear
to you in recent times is because it

520
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.440
doesn't exist anymore like it did,
right, and it's under assault, and

521
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you know, I don't know what
it's going to take to resurrect it.

522
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:47.400
I it's certainly not going to opine
on any existing court cases out there,

523
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:52.800
but I think the courts have a
role in saying, you know, defining

524
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.960
what the First Amendment allows and doesn't
allow. And we'll have to see where

525
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.840
that goes. But you know,
I think that's one of the things our

526
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.119
founders would be aghast at if they
could look to me at how speech is

527
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:10.119
not free and how it's being dictated
by the government. Well, to me,

528
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:17.559
having freedom of speech, that's what
I believe enlarges our intellect. It

529
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:23.400
makes us smarter. So if open
speech and debate makes us smarter, I

530
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.079
think the opposite makes us dumber.
Is that fair? Yeah? So,

531
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.039
so where did this idea come from
that we need safe spaces on our college

532
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:37.079
campuses for example? Right? And
where did this idea come from? And

533
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.400
I'm not expressing any opinions on vaccines
or COVID, but where did this idea

534
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.639
come from that science is settled and
there's only one way of thinking about it.

535
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:50.760
You know, what science is the
art of questioning it forever questioning,

536
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and sometimes it's found. I mean, the Earth isn't flat after all,

537
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.800
is something most people think it isn't
right. You know, science can be

538
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.119
wrong. I mean I mentioned Benjamin
Rush, you know what his scientific methods

539
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.679
of of of being a physician.
We're at the time they were, they

540
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.960
were awful compared to what they are
today, right, I mean exactly,

541
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.360
and that and it changes through debate
and dialogue, something that's no longer allowed

542
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.440
in our country. I'm afraid,
without a doubt, you know. And

543
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:24.840
right now, even what you just
said, case in point, we're straddling

544
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:30.360
a line of being canceled. So
I'm only saying that because we got to

545
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:36.320
be careful because I went through a
situation here recently. I was in YouTube

546
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.159
jail for a while because I made
a mistake and talked about a topic that

547
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.239
we just have to stay away from. So I'm just as a warning.

548
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.400
So again, just a perfect case
in point of where we are right now,

549
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:53.719
because it the bottom line is that
we don't become smarter as a result,

550
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.960
and to me, that's an insult
for this limited time that we have

551
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:04.840
on Earth. I want the best
I can get out of this existence and

552
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.280
with all the challenges, and I
want the same thing for my kids and

553
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.559
my grandkids that you talked about.
Mark. You know, I appreciate that

554
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.920
you went through that. I've been
through some of that myself, in the

555
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:22.119
sense that I've been pilloried for certain
things I've written in opinions and it's been

556
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.880
suggested that I've violated ethical codes and
that kind of thing. If you do

557
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:30.519
a Google search, you'll see some
of it, you know, And you

558
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.960
know, I hope we work through
that appropriately. But I think it's I

559
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.639
think we all have to have some
courage because if we don't show some courage,

560
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:44.800
we're going to get all over And
those who want to silences, you

561
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.239
just can't let them get away with
it. You need to fight back exactly

562
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:52.639
as you'll get steamrolled. And we
just can't afford as a country to be

563
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.960
steamrolled. Well, you know,
you ask what happened? How did we

564
00:42:57.079 --> 00:43:00.599
get here? And I look back, not that long ago, Mark,

565
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.559
where all of a sudden we had
performance trophies. It was a problem with

566
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.480
kids getting booboos out in the street
or you know whatever, and conflicts,

567
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.400
you know, parents became overly protective. I know something, you know,

568
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:20.320
some influence over the culture and families
came upon it, and then it was

569
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:27.159
further exacerbated. I believe in these
indoctrination centers that we call the public school

570
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.079
system. I'm saying that in a
general sense. I don't mean to offend

571
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.199
any you know, people, because
it's like one of those things. If

572
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.480
the shoe fits, you can wear
it. If it doesn't, then it's

573
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.599
meanings you don't, don't put it
on. I'm not trying to make you

574
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.079
force fit something that doesn't belong to
you. It's just by observation. Because

575
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.199
here we are as you say,
you've got to have all these safe spaces.

576
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:53.079
You're paying all this money for kids
to be educated at these universities,

577
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:58.679
and it's like wow, I mean
it's like they're being dumbed down. Uh.

578
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.119
You know, there's no ex size
of critical thinking and questioning and that

579
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.920
sort of thing. When you and
I went to school, my goodness,

580
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.760
I mean, there was nothing better
for me than to you know, have

581
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.199
a good route with a professor.
I just that it was brilliant and the

582
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.679
rest of kids in class, you
know, we all got energized and engaged.

583
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.320
Yeah, these days, all the
professors are on the left right,

584
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:27.960
so exactly, and you get shut
down if you if you voice the contrary

585
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.039
opinion, Yeah, without a doubt, and you and all of a sudden,

586
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.960
your a becomes an f for real
quick. They have the power,

587
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.280
There's no doubt. And this is
the thing that happens when you have a

588
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:44.239
society that can compel you to do
things against your conscience, that violates our

589
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.400
constitution. In the end, run
Mark, we pay for it as a

590
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.960
culture, as a civilization, we
pay for you know this, this kind

591
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:58.440
of effect in order to accommodate the
so called elites. Yeah, and I

592
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:04.280
hope to be honest with you,
I I think those you're talking about the

593
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.719
truth is they hate our country,
yeah, and badly. They would never

594
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.320
say they hate it, but they
hate what it stands where they hate what

595
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:14.440
it was founded to be. And
that's why they talk about transforming it.

596
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.599
They want to transform it. And
to a large extent, I'm afraid they're

597
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.880
succeeding. And that's why we have
to stop, have to fight. They're

598
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.800
transforming it into something of their liking
as the elites, where they can control

599
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:31.239
everything that is not America. Fundamental
transformation of America. I remember watching people

600
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.199
applaud jumping up down, getting excited, and I'm sitting there going what does

601
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:40.519
that mean? And why are people
applauding? What is it that I'm missing

602
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.880
here? And of course we have
found out the gradual progression of the transformation

603
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:51.599
of our country away from the principles, our first frint principles, Founding Principles

604
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.679
that we've been talking about. Mark, We've got about about five minutes left

605
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.760
here together, and I wanted actually
less than that, maybe two minutes left,

606
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.159
but I wanted to give you an
opportunity to kind of summarize this three

607
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:09.039
volume series and how our viewers can
get their hands on your book. Yeah.

608
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:14.079
So, like I said, I
wrote it because I was concerned personally

609
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.599
about what had happened to our country, and I concluded that the reason we

610
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:22.239
had strayed so far from what our
founders intended us to be was that we've

611
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:27.000
lost God. And I'm really just
trying to provide people with information and tools

612
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to educate yourself so you're in a
position to fight back from that. So

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you're learning about all one eighteen signers
of our Founding Documents from the perspective of

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their religious lives, and perhaps more
importantly what they said in their own words

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about religion and its place in our
society. You can get the books on

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Amazon, Barnes, and Noble elsewhere
online. There's a website for the book

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called Founders Ownwords dot com and shoot, you can even email me at founders

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own Words at gmail dot com.
And perhaps I can't get you assigned.

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Awesome, Judge Mark Binster. I
cannot thank you enough. You're just an

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absolute blessing. This is a true
gift and a work of art, just

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like the one homeschool mom had shared
with you. I'm sure there are many

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homeschool moms down the road that will
be sharing the same sentiment as our viewers

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as well are sharing again. We
thank you for being with us. God

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speed, my friend, take care
of well. God bless you got it.

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Our thanks to Judge Booster for being
with us today for more information and

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to be a part of this mighty
Martinis movement to return to God and to

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save our country. Check it out
Bill Martinez Show dot com. May God

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bless you and keep you and make
His face shine upon you. Go and

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be blessed beyond your imagination. Thanks
for being with us.