How Elections Are Stolen-Here Are 23 Ways

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0:53 It's there until you finally have that moment where they fast up. Unfortunately, our government has been used to deflect and continuing to lie. As Denish Desuza told me a couple of years back, after his experience in jail, he said, the one thing about the cons his big takeaway was they always hold to the con. They stick to the con no matter what, and this is what our government is doing so. That tells you that they are acting like convicts because they're doing what convicts do. They lie, they cheap, they steal, they destroy, they even kill. It is that diabolical. But you know, what you're going to find out is the election process and the voter fraud that took place is a mere manifestation. I think it's a tip of the iceberg of the corruption and the level of problem that we have in our government today. Just even on the election issue, you've got almost two thirds of the country still saying something is fishy. They just do not believe the results of the twenty twenty election. And meanwhile, you'll have you know, talking heads, people that maybe you've heretofore respected, say well there's no proof. Well, you know, but there's a lot of smoke here, and there's a lot of things to consider. But because you don't have the courage or the intestinal fortitude to pursue the truth. Okay, that doesn't mean that the truth doesn't exist. The fact of the matter that people have so many questions and there's still no answers, and then we find out whenever the truth is pursued by the bureaucracy, they skirt around the truth,

2:24 and they want you to believe something else. It's kind of like listening to a senator or a congressional hearing when you hear these people who are being investigated or they got to be held to account by our elected officials, how they skirt the issues. This is the pattern that we deal with today. Well, so much has been happening in our government. Joe Freed is back with us. Joe is the certified public accountant who wrote the book Debunked. He also has a new book called How Elections Are Stolen. Here's twenty three ways. And these are things that the people who steal and the people in our government. There have been research, There have been studies on this. So some of this isn't like it's new news. It's been there. This is how they do things. But Joe, because of his tenacity and his intestinal fortitude, is bringing forth the truth. But we have other things to talk about, and we want to open up with that. First of all, Joe Freed, welcome back. Good to have you with us. Oh, thank you, Bill, It's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

3:27 Well, as I was mentioning so much, I mean, we talk about voter fraud, but there's so many other things going on, and I think also Donald Trump's case is part of that iceberg that's hanging out there, and it demonstrates how diabolical our bureaucracy in our government has become. For example, you've got this Scotus case that you know, finally the Supreme Court has decided to take up the issue of president immunity. Right, that's right, And if you think about it, I think he's got Trump's got a strong case. They're not going to the Supreme Court. There's no way they're going to say a president can do anything he wants, because what if he murdered somebody one night, or he was passing out drugs one night. I don't think that's going to happen, But what if he did that? You can't make that rule. But on the other hand, I think they're going to I'm just guessing. I'm not a lawyer. I'm guessing that they might come down with this dual purpose ruling. They're saying, look, when he was talking at the Ellipse, on the one hand, yes, he was campaigning, but on the other hand, he was also president talking about problems in our election. Exactly. You know this it makes a lot of sense.

4:46 I mean, all sorts of candidates and politicians say important things, but they also are looking in the back at how it affects them politically. It was always a mixed bag. So I can't see if the Supreme Court they're either going to do that or they're going to say, we have to wait a while until the trial court does something, and then we'll rule. I think they're either going to delay or they're going to rule in Trump's favor. That's just a layman's guess. Well, hopefully they do rule, because in a sense, what would they ignite. They've already the Democrats have already ignited a nuclear bomb here, because this means just like impeachment, which now we've entered into an approved impeachment inquiry of the bidens, this is all begat as a result of two impeachments of Donald Trump. Once you open up that door, it's hard to put everything back in the closet, as fib Or McGee found out. Right. Yeah, and as I was saying to you earlier, Bill, I'm more excited almost by that other case that just sort of surprised a lot of people. The Supreme Court picked up a case and I know you're completely aware of it. Of these guys who are have been charged with obstructing and official proceeding, these are the j six. These are the J six Patriots that are still in jail. Some have been held in this case.

6:16 Jake Lang is one of the principles. He's been in jail for over three hundred days. Joe crazy, It's absolutely crazy. And here's what they're charging with this. Jack Smith, the prosecutor, is so outrageous. He took something that was created for the n Round scandal. Just to remind your audience, Arthur Anderson, a giant accounting firm, knew that there were problems, and before they were subpoena, they say, well, we better our normal policies. I think it was five years. We keep documents for five years and we shread them, and we haven't been doing that. So they instructed their workers start adhering to our shredding policy. Okay, they've paid a price for that because that was considered to be in contemplation of a subpoena.

7:04 Now, by the way, just the contrast that Hillary Clinton. That's what I'm going to say. I just say, yeah, by contrast exactly, Yeah, go ahead. She did it four days after a subpoena, so there was no contemplation there, and she got away with murder. She didn't go to jail or anything exactly. Anyway, what Jack Smith did is he stretched that to say, it's not just shredding documents anymore. It's anything you do that can hinder unofficial proceeding. Well, I'm trying to think, how many times have we all seen code pink, those women who wear pink and they they put their they parked their butts on the ground in the middle of an assembly room so that nobody can transact business until they're heard. Are they serving twenty year sentences? That's what, by the way, that's what he's looking for, twenty year sentences. The man's crazy. Agree with Trump.

8:00 He's deranged. It's just insane. But he's deranged, and he's got compatriots with him. He's got the judicial branch. These you know, these judges that are going along and they are they're issuing these degree, these decrees, and in twenty twenty two years in jail, you know, for various patriots for doing what our constitution allows them to do, and that is to you know, to redress their issues with the government, and the government says, oh no, you can't readress, We're going to throw you in jail. I think the Supreme Court, the Conservatives at least, are going to say, wait a minute now, if you start opening up this can of worms.

8:45 What's going to happen is every time somebody wants to protest something, they're going to have to worry in the back of their head, well, I want to protest, but I might impede these senators or these congressmen from doing their job. Well, by the way, Bill, what about that guy who pulled the fire alarm? Exactly? Is he being charged? Is he going to prison for twenty years? It's crazy, Yeah, of course not. Well, you see, this is the deal. I mean, this two tiered justice system that we're living under right now has got to stop. And hopefully Scotis can step up and save the country, Joe, because, like you say, this is just the tip of the iceberg what they've done.

9:26 You know, in terms of president immunity, what they're doing to Donald Trump right now, a leading candidate for president, and you know clearly, I mean you talk about election interference. I mean the Democrats have not stopped interfering with the election process. You know, going back to this narrative about Hunter Biden's laptop, you know, Bill, that reminds me. I take issue with one of the things you said in your intro. You said that, you know, it's hard to prove these things. As far as I'm concerned, and maybe I'm off to an extreme, but when it came out that the FBI consciously suppressed the story of the laptop, to me, it was time for a new election. Exactly when your government agencies, powerful agencies sit on something for eleven months and deliberately wait until because they knew damn well what that would do. I think that's enough. We already have the proof.

10:26 No, Joe, I would agree with you on that stance. The problem we're having is getting any kind of support from the FBI because they're all complicit in this, because the cabal ran so deep, because it was not only fifty one you know, security officials signing a letter declaring that this was Russian disinformation, so you got them involved. You also know the FBI, to your point, a year at least prior to had already checked out the laptop and they knew that it was legitimate and on top of that, they took it further. You talk about conspiracy. Then they go to the heads of these social media entities and say, hey, heads up, there's going to be some Russian disinformation wink wink coming down the line here, and you need to be prepared. And you know, they could say, in a very casual sort of way, Joe, the way these people will do this, or at least the way they'll admit it in court, is we never told them exactly what to do. We didn't tell them. We just said, hey, be prepared. But you've got the government in your office telling you this has happened. There is an implied directive with their presence and them showing up and your offices, I would think, and Bill, I'd like to Dell. I hope the House Republicans get some of those fifty one people

11:56 up on the stand, yes, because you know, they rushed that letter out just in time for Joe Biden's last debate so that he would have something to say, because he knew it was coming, and he that way, remember how emphatic he was, and he was indignant that Trump would bring up this charge against his son that was fabricated. It was Russian disinformation. They did that for him. That's why I say, really, you need a new election right at that point and everything else, I mean, and there's a lot more, but that was enough to say we need a new election because they interfered. It wasn't just the media. If it were just the media, I'd say that's not the same. But when you have agencies of the government taking a hand in the material hand, that's big. Yeah.

12:43 And the other you know, kind of get out of jail card for these guys is what they always say is that, well, we looked at it. It wouldn't make a big difference. It's not going to change the results of the election. Right. Well, you know, the research said that if the people knew about Hunter Biden's laptop, fifteen percent of the people said they would not have voted for Joe Biden. So you know, it's big. This is a huge number. So for them to say, oh, it wouldn't make any difference, I think it takes that calculus off the table, doesn't it. It definitely doesn't though fifteen percent Biden supporters. Of course, the Republicans would have been even more motivated to run to the polls, so it would have been at least the fifteen percent. Now, all right, maybe some of those people are just talking that way, but you didn't need fifteen percent. If it was three percent, if it was two percent, that would have changed the election. So for sure, I think we really at that point it needed a new election, but there were no Republicans in the government that had power to push for that. Well, I think that they try to unfortunately that timing the way January sixth unfolded, Uh, the way it was orchestrated. I just saw in another interview with Stephen Son, who was he was the head of the Capitol Police, right, and he's explaining what went on. My good you you talk about interference, yeah,

14:18 and you you talk about setup. Uh And and Son is there and he can't quite say that it was a setup. And he's got to be careful about how he frames this. But any reasonable individual would draw from this that Nancy Pelosi was up to her ear lobes, that she orchestrated this whole situation, She purposely delayed support and put the Capitol Police in danger. Yeah, and he, if I recall, she fired him the very next day, so he didn't get the talk for a couple of years. Yes, she they weren't taking any chances. Yeah, and I don't and I I don't know, you know, in terms of firing him. Uh, you know that that whole situation. But yet the number two, uh Anna Donda.

15:11 I can't remember exactly her name right now. We we interviewed one of the Capitol police that was he was in charge of the grounds at the time, T K. Johnson, I believe is his name, great guy and uh, and he tells how many times that he tried to get in touch with, you know, with her, and she refused, I mean, would not give him an answer and how he could protect his people. He got pushed out because he knew too much as well. But meanwhile, interestingly enough, she she doesn't get fired. They elevated her Nancy I think Nancy Pelosi made her the acting Capitol police chief after Sun left, and uh, and the and the troops just revolted, said no, we don't want her, and so they ended up moving her off the Capitol grounds and gave her a promotion to be in charge of the police at Berkeley. Yeah, for a lot more pay, and just right across the way from Nancy Pelosi's district.

16:15 So what does that tell you, Well, one thing it tells me is things are crumbling for the Democrats right now and they must really regret. They would have had the House and the Senate, but they miscalculated. They didn't have their ball at Harvesters in New York. They didn't think they needed to be in New York. That's where they needed to be. And so now, thank god we have the Republicans have and I don't know even if you're a Republican, but they've got the Republicans have the House, because that's what's unraveling things. And one more thing on these what we were talking about with suns, have you noticed lately when they put out the video all that video, they've already caught a couple of those indignant policemen. One is named Done and they're caught in lives. They were saying things that the video shows were impossible because they weren't at the spot they claimed to be yet. Right, so there's a lot more that's going to keep happening. I think this is going to be a painful year for the Democrats as as things start to unravel. Well, and it should be if we have any hope of getting control of our government. Again. Uh, this is uh, you know, so symbolic and emblematic of the severe problem and the disease that exists in our government that you would have one person like Nancy Pelosi endangering endangering Congress for

17:52 the sake of you know, of you know, democratic posturing and Democrats and I say democratic, not democratic as a government of the Democratic Party, as for posturing and for an advantage over the Republicans. There is no doubt this was fixed. This, This is a word cretly coming out. The word that was used was optics. That they were told, we the optics aren't good. We can't have the National Guard because the optics don't look good. And for the sake of optics, those are why people were hurt, if any you know, to the extent they were hurt. I mean the only one killed, of course, was a mega supporter, So yeah, well Ashley Babbitt, I mean, here she is and you've got and of course that police officer whose name was with help for a while, of course everybody knows now, but for him to fire around into a group of people, that is so irresponsible. But they elevated him to hero status for the metal for killing an unarmed patriot. It's uh, you shake your head. But I think there's I hope there's going to be a price to pay, because if there isn't ours in trouble, if this is allowed to go unchecked, yes, my goodness, where do we go next? Well, there must be a reason, John. I think it gives us all hope that maybe this is it. You know, the issue with scotis picking up this issue on president immunity, the Jake Lang case. And I know that he had been moving this up and they've been keeping him nice. And I asked him,

19:26 I said, Jake, why he goes Well, because I won't surrender. I won't tell them that Donald Trump is wrong and you know, and disclaim any kind of loyalty to Maga. And because I won't And I said, well, how do you know that? He says, well, I can tell you every one of the j six prisoners who have been processed out with minimal amounts of sentences have disclaimed any loyalty to Donald Trump or Magot. Yeah, so that's the get out of jail card. You know what. I bet they're really regretting now that they didn't give this fellow and I know there's a couple others like Joseph Fisher, and they didn't just let him go because now it's going to the court. These guys fought their heroes, and one day they're out to have a building name after these guys if they win the Supreme Court case, because that's going to lead to the release of hundreds of people who were simply charged with obstructing an official proceeding because they were there for the most part, and hopefully a reduction in any kind of sentencing, maybe even I have to believe if Donald Trump is is is elected, that he would exonerate, he would pardon each one of these individuals, except in the case where there was And that's what I asked Jake flat out. I go, Jake, why what did you do? You know, did you?

20:48 I mean, you know, for them to target you to this degree, you must have done something. But he, you know, he did say that he helped Roseanne Boylen if you remember, she was one that was crushed in the uh in the channel there, right, and he was with her, you know, trying to help her and save her. But this thing, but where he was at was in the heat of where you know, where all these people were being corralled in that tunnel and you had a lot of the problems in that area. So he was pointed out. So I don't know if he did something to defend himself. I mean the use of force that is well documented, which was extraordinary, extreme and uncalled for and out of protocol, I mean, there was no. I mean, it's it's interesting, Joe, because we have a situation where, you know, with Derek Chauvin in his case, right, the police chief is saying, hey, we never trained that that form of use, you know, with with a prisoner, and he flat out live because they showed later documentation which they wouldn't allow in court, right really, and yeah, oh yeah, there's documentation of how they trained to do this and what they did.

22:07 Again by optics, they presented a story that Derrek Chauvin had his knee on the throat of George Floyd. It wasn't when you look at the different angles, it was on his back, just the way they're trained to do this. And this is what a twenty year veteran in the force. And so he was made to be a scapegoat because leadership did not have the courage to be able to talk this down to bring the mob under control. But mob ruled, and the mob forced the city, and they acquiesced and folded and paid George Floyd's family twenty seven million dollars. When the toxicology came out post that said that he actually died of a ventanoyl over four times the normal you know, death level for most people who die offen and all. He had four times that level in his body. I wonder when Chauvin gets an appeal, is he appealing? I would hope he appealed. They denied it.

23:15 He's the scapegoat. So they're gonna they're gonna hold on. They're gonna hold him down there, you know, for a while, until you know, there's got to be I mean, because the mayor here's the mayor, and the mayor flat outled. He gets re elected. So it really says something about, you know, about the people there that they would re elect somebody who has lied to them. Yeah. Well, by the way, just to back up, because you know a lot of people will misconstrue what we say about the January sixth. It's already against a law to punch a policemen or to hit him with a flag Pole. So nobody's saying anything about that, but you don't have to tack on these extra charges about obstructing a proceeding.

24:00 Well, that's what all protesters try to do, mostly on the left. That's the whole idea that they're trying to get people's attention. They're trying to I mean, how many people try to talk and the left will make noise so they can't proceed and they have to give up. I mean that's is that going to be obstruction too? Now? So we're just saying, we're not saying that the violence is acceptable, but don't tack on made up stuff that came from the Enron case that had no bearing on this case. Oh exactly. Well, and look what happened. What was it six months before when you had Black Lives Matter and Antifa attacking you know, the DC and the Capitol building. They had to put President Trump under raps, move him into a secure spot and all the damage in fact more police officers, of course was easy because no police officers died during January sixth, but there were more police officers that were injured during that event. It wasn't even close.

25:02 I've seen estimates of one hundred to one hundred and eighty depending on who's talking about it exactly. And get and guess what, Joe, nobody went to jail. Yeah, nobody. They set fire to the church, a historic church next to it. They got over the first bear. You know, they had the they have the very high fence. But then they also had bicycle wrecks, just like at January sixth, and they walked right over those, pushed every way away. They threw racks at the police. That's how they hurt them. They were there not just three hours, three days, three days of doing this. Talk about obstructing an official proceeding. How about the present as a part of the government. So you know, this was all it's almost sad when we talk about it in a way. Well, but you see, this is the deal. Like any infection, Joe, we got a lancet, got to open the wound all the way up, We've got to clean it up, We've got to put antiseptic antibiotics over all this these wounds to where we can really address this. But when you have one party, you talk about obstruction and conspiracy. This is being led by the Democratic Party, the substruction and conspiracy to promote evil and to destroy our way of life, and they have been very successful up to this point.

26:33 Now, our hope and belief is always that in the end the truth will win by God's grace and mercy. Joe, maybe we have that opportunity. Maybe we have that opportunity where you know, truth can come out finally and we're able to pull not only because I believe that all these threads kind of intersect, whether we're talking January sixth, whether we're talking about all these other things that are going on, the election fraud that's happened. You know, somebody there's got to be some central entity that's controlling this or you know, like you and I talked about, how do you get what six seven swing states to shut down all at the same time for three hours, stop the count in order to manufacture a result that's satisfactory for them? How how does one that that is a coordinated, uh an orchestrated event that wasn't just a coincidental that you had. I mean, if you had one or two, you might say, okay, you know a little bit of but you got what five, six seven all shutting down at the same time. Well, Bill, the encouraging thing is that we were talking about that Heartland Institute survey. It shows people do get it, they really get it. And uh, that's a great, great encouragement to me and to a lot of people. Well, you see, again, this goes to our point,

28:03 Joe, the truth is coming out. And Joe's referring to this new report that came out. I believe it was just yesterday from Heartline Institute in Rasmussen. Yeah, and it's the seventeen percent of mail in voters admit listen is number. Seventeen percent admit that in twenty twenty they voted in a state where they are no longer a permanent resident. Yeah, okay, that's number one. Number two. Twenty one percent of mail in voters admitted that they filled out a ballot for a friend or family member. Wow, okay, against the law. Seventeen percent of mail in voters said they signed a ballot for a friend or family member with or without his permission without Also illegal. Eight percent of likely voters say they were offered pay or a reward for voting in twenty twenty. Yeah, so illegal. There's so much bill and I I think that eight percent might be the one that concerns me the most. I wish they'd broke that down to see how much came from some of these nonprofit organizations that would support that would support what true of the vote was saying about harvesting. They were saying people were getting paid ten dollars a bailot, sometimes much more than ten dollars a baillet. I would love to because eight percent is a whopping big number, and an election decided by one percent or less,

29:34 right, so that's a huge number. And I wish they I'd like to. I hope they follow up with some more questions like this. This was a very respectable survey. By the way, I said to you know, I've told you I'm doing some work on the January sixth case and the election stuff. And I said to people when we heard this yesterday, I said, well, let me check out this stuff because I want to make sure this is a legit survey exactly. Yet they did a good job. They got the they use ras musin to do the survey. I have a lot of respect for them. They have a good margin of error in the conference rate are acceptable. It's over a thousand people, one thousand and eighty five people survey, so this is a significant and the questions are right out there so you can see how they were today. Some of these surveys don't tell you how they were the questions. This one is telling you this is what we asked them exactly. And you're talking with a plus or minus air factor of about three percent out of this right, Yeah, Yeah, I think it's three percent percent. So what that means is they're saying we are ninety five percent certain that the error rate will will fall somewhere between three and minus or three plus. That's a very respectable percentage. Yeah, by today's standards, without a doubt. The bottom line in summary of this from Rassmussen was taken together, the results of these survey questions show appear to show that voter fraud was widespread. Yeah, voter fraud was widespread in the twenty twenty

31:11 election, especially among those who cast in mail in ballots. And you and I have talked about this before. The history is clear. We've had governmental studies on this previously, that mail in ballot ballots was an invitation for voter fraud. Yeah. Trump said it first, and he was well, actually Jimmy Carter said it Carter exactly. And then Trump brought it up. Of course when Trump said it, then everybody was dismissive because it's Donald Trump, you know, and that's what they do. So here it is Donald Trump's the bad guy. He warns you this is going to happen, and in the words of Barack Obama, elections have consequences. Well, how do you like what you elected? Now? Yeah, well, Donald Trump, he's been right about so many things that's ridiculous. Now. He was right about the border, he was right about Ukraine when he was impeached for that.

32:12 He was trying to war in America. We got a corrupt relationship going between a family member of Biden and the vice president at the time when it happened, and this should be investigated. All he was asking for is check it out, he said, and talk to me. He said, just call our FBI and tell them what you know, if you know anything. And the our FBI should have known, and they did know. They had to know Joe because this stuff had been going on during the Obama years. And my question still remains is that here you've got Joe Biden compromised, you got John Kerry compromised, You've got Joe Biden compromised, and this happens when Barack Obama's present. So you're going to tell me the bigger big guy is not getting his beak wet, but nobody wants to talk about that. Yeah, well, you know what they're saying now that he's going to bail out in May. I don't know if I think he's got to bail out. Joe Biden cannot withstand what's about to happen with this impeachment. He's going down, So he's going to bail out. He won't actually leave, He's just going to announce that he's leaving at the end of his term. And then they expect, of course, pretty boy from California to comment Newsso yeah, they're going to be in a mad scrabble because let me tell you, there is a divide there, whether it's Governor Newsom or you know, Hail Mary pass

33:45 of Michelle Obama or Kamala Harris. Because she's a street fighter, and I don't think even though everybody thinks she's lousy, I don't think she thinks she's lousy. I think she's a street fighter who will say, hey, you can't push me out. I'm in I'm in line. So I think there's gonna be some real fighting going. Well, it'll be it'll be interesting to see what she can do. She wasn't very effective during the presidential campaign, as you recall, she lost her own state, did basically about the same level she's she's done consistently about three percent when it came to polling. And now we've had you know what over three years of experience with her leadership or lack thereof, and she's unimpressive, you know, So I don't know.

34:29 I mean it's going to take a you know, in the absence of money and candidate, I mean, in the absence of a message or a quality candidate. You need a lot of money, and I think you need a lot more money to in a lot more cheating. If you if you think that Kamala Harris is going to win the win the Oval office, well I don't think she'll succeed. I'm just saying there's going to be some real animosity and and they're going to be having a food fight. Yeah, she's not going to go down quietly. In my opinion, she's going to fight. Well, I would agree with you. I've been saying and in fact I said this going into the twenty twenty election. Because of the signs that you'd look at the Democratic Party, I underestimated their level of cheating. But I had believed, I truly believed in all my heart that the Democrats were going to lose so severely that it was going to cause a civil war within the Democratic Party, and that it was going to take them at least a decade to reconnoiter and rebuild themselves because all this massive fraud, all this, you know, the poor policy, the alignment with Marxism that they have embraced within their party. It's just unsustainable. And it really is. At the end of the day, it's a small minority, and you've already got Democrats that are jumping ship because it's just untenable, you know. And on the other

36:00 hand, I will say this, Joe, for the record, the Republicans have a grand opportunity here. And I don't know right now, without Donald Trump, I don't see the leadership that can coalesce these factions in such a way to bring them together, to unite, to offer a true alternative and an open door to a republic intent that will embrace a broader constituency. I think the opportunity is there, but it's up to them to you know, get their messaging squared away and you know, make some right decisions. Yeah, I've I heard a very good I can't remember the guy's name, but a very good analysis. And he was saying that actually, you know, he's one of the guys that says, well Joe Biden announces he's done in May, he will keep running being president after that. But he said that Newsom is not going to beat Trump. He said he would normally, but he said he can't beat Trump because of these third party guys coming in.

37:04 He's got Manson who's doing a two month listening to her, we all know what thatt me and said, right, that's me, you're running. Who else you have You've got, oh, had you got a couple more who are well, you've got RFK RFK is uh and they're even talking, you know, But Nikki Haley is not going to go to you know, no labels. I don't I don't see her jumping ship. But there's all kinds of theories. But but you're but you're right. I think that this could, you know, be an interesting time and and for me, I've kind of been waiting for these these two parties being broken up, because if you remember, it was John Naismith in his book Megatrens, probably twenty five years ago, said that the two party system was was like two dinosaurs, mating that the two party system was no longer tenable, but it's being able to hang in this long. So I think it's still a matter of time before his prediction is fulfilled, and we might be close to that. Well, this guy said that there's only two times in the last one hundred and ten years, one hundred and twenty years that a third party got too did pretty well, and one, of course was Ross Burrow nineteen and then he had to go all the way back to the Moose Bull Moose Party with Teddy Roosevelt.

38:25 We got about nineteen percent, he said, and those in both cases they sank the party they were aligned with because of taking all those votes away. He says that RFK right now has fifteen percent in all the polling. If he runs, he's and then you've got the Green Party. You still have Jill Stein, she might take one percent. You got, like I say, Manson might jump in there. They've got that's their headache, that's their yes. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, and I don't think that who is at Cornell, you know, the professional West Cornell West. I don't think he's probably much more than maybe a one percent type of guy.

39:07 But you know, it's all in, all chips away and in an impeachment inquiry that's going to be underway, and what they've done to Donald Trump, you know clearly. I mean the numbers, the polling numbers are dramatically showing that the people are beginning to see what's happening with our government, and they see that what they're doing to Donald Trump is unjust and unfair and that that strikes such a basic human cord. Joe, doesn't it. Yeah, But you know the thing he gets me, Bill, this guy who was so smart, is such a good candidate, I mean, a good pundit.

39:47 He left one element out that worries me. He said, well, you know, Trump's gonna win, He'll get like one or two percent more. What about the cheating factor? You exactly, the democrasts aren't going to cheat. Oh exactly. Remember Fetterman, he wins the guy, he wins by four and a half percent. He was so Carrie Lake was up two point seven percent the day before all the way. By the way, for weeks she was gaining, gaining, gaining, always ahead, got all the way to two point seven percent. She loses by two point three percent. She lost by point seven a swing of three percent on the last day.

40:30 Right, that's the mail in bailt Yeah, exactly. So the Democratic Party is the party of stolen elections. They have developed it into an art form. They're hoping and praying for another COVID like outbreak to where they can go again. Elias and his five hundred Democratic attorneys will storm the state houses of these swing states and get them to violate their own state laws and once again open us up to voter fraud. Because meanwhile, as you and I have discussed before, all I mean people like yourself, but still few in number.

41:14 Have you know, done a deeper dive you look at the numbers, you have seen how voter fraud can take place. In your new book How Elections Are Stolen, here's twenty three ways. I mean this is a combination of you know, your study that you've done, but also of what empirically, what has happened in the past how elections have been stolen? Right, Well, I probably should say twenty four ways now because I keep finding new ways. It's you know, I want to get into that. But you know, one of the things, I just published a little article on American Thinker and non citizen votes. I think it went to American Thinker. I can't remember when I put it, but anyway, let me just I'm going to look at my notes. Back in twenty eighteen, Stacy Abrams said she was going to ride a blue wave and it was going to be documented people and the undocumented. She was openly saying, I'm going to rely on illegal non citizens, right, That's what my piece was on how important is the non citizen vote? Now? Remember, non citizen is not just the illegals running over the border. But I know a guy I was talking to not too long ago. We were in a bar actually, and he he said, oh, I'm not a citizen. I said, when did you come here? He said nineteen fifty four. Well, he said, I just didn't say. I said, why didn't you become a citizen? He said,

42:45 well, I didn't see the reason to it. You know, what would have given me just the vote and I didn't care. So, I mean, there's a lot of people, a lot of he's legal, but he's not a citizen, and he's not allowed to vote. But we don't know what percentage that is. Well, anyway, here's an interesting thing here. Everybody says there's no illegals don't vote in all that. In Texas a few years ago, about two years ago, they they started to get serious about it, and the Secretary of State found that there were ninety five thousand people who were both on the voter rolls and the non citizen roles. Okay, are listings right now. They weren't saying that that ninety five thousand was deadly accurate because they know that some of those people may have naturalized, They may have gone through the ceremony. They came over illegally, they were illegal, but by the time they started voting they became naturalized citizens. That fifty eight thousand of them were voting. So there's ninety five thousand registrants that were looked bad. Now. Of course, the Democrats went absolutely insane over this.

44:01 They found multiple lawsuits and within a very short period of a few weeks, a judge shut the whole thing down, said you can't do this as intimidating people. Of course, everything's intimidating anyway. They had to revise their system to become almost a joke because the new system said that basically, if you find people who appear to be who are non citizens, you can't do anything with that unless they voluntarily say I voted as a non citizen. Don't it is they have to confess to a felony before you could even think about it, like that's going to happen. But they still got twelve thousand, almost twelve thousand people that way. It shows you how big this problem is.

44:45 And then there's another one Georgia, which I wasn't aware of. Should have been. This is kind of recent. This is not just non citizens, it's all sorts of problems. They in two thousand and one Georgia passed a lot at that said that any individual citizen can file a complaint against somebody regarding an election matter if they think they're doing something wrong. We got eighty thousand complaints and they already according to CBS that that wrote a hit piece out of the CBS hated the whole idea, but they already got twelve thousand were upheld. These were another's bogus voters, and they've already verified that twelve thousand were upheld. I mean that's an election. I mean, that's more than the margin in Georgia. That exactly exactly. I don't I'm probably rambling too long. But the Vada, you've got at least huge thousands of people.

45:40 I could give you the number in Wiskey. Go ahead and go ahead and do this. Show this is this is important again. See we have to balance out the deception with truth. And you've been studying it, and you've got the numbers. Because the Democrats insist that you have no proof. There's there's no there there and but there is. Go ahead, right and Nevada, it's over five thousand that in the twenty twenty election. Now, the Secretary of State acknowledged that. But she said, and this is correct, she said, but some of those may have naturalized in those five years. That's true. But on the other hand, she only did a five year look back. What she did was she went five years back into the Department of Motor Vehicles logs. And these are people who to get a driver's license, they had to show who they were, and so they presented their immigration papers to the Department of Motor Vehicles so they're voting, but they're immigrants and they're showing that. Now, like I say, some of those, maybe that five thousand dropped to three thousand. But on the other hand, if you had done a fifteen year look back or a thirty year look back, because as I say, there are people who have been here for decades, how much more would it be. And by the way, nobody was required to present immigration papers. That everybody verifies their identity by calling up their old immigration papers. So god knows how big it is in Nevada, Wisconsin.

47:15 I can't even give you the answer because you know what Wi Conson did before the election. They even though it's a federal law to you can't have on the voter rolls known non citizens. If you know this guy's a non citizen, you take him off the registration so he can't just vote, they ignored that. They just everybody was on no way at this point, no easy way, anyway of figuring out how many non citizens voted. So we don't know. Now, Bill, here's a really big number. The Public Information what is it Legal Funds, the Public Information Legal Foundation, they call themselves PILF pi LF. They did a lengthy study that just concluded fairly recently up.

48:07 It's nationwide and they found over three no, three hundred and forty nine. I think it's three hundred and forty nine thousand dead people on the rolls. Now, I'm not saying they voted. They said thousands of them didn't vote. In Illinois, they vote, it's anecdotal. They always say the polls never close until they get the cemetery count. Well, those must be very healthy people that are so healthy that even after they die they can vote. Well, the other thing that happens too, that's miraculous is they will die as a Republican and come back and vote as a Democrat. I never heard that one, but I believe it. They also found about forty thousand, forty three thousand and one year duplicates where they voted twice. Now this is and wide, okay, but still those are huge numbers. Let me see I have one more here for you, Arizona. We've only got about a minute left, Joe, so go ahead, okay, Arizona, this isn't the way. The most damning of all, they have something called the federal only voter, because Arizona insists that you present citizen papers if you want to vote, and the federal government says you can't insist, so they say you have to use a separate form. For the federal the separate form has jumped from eleven nine hundred in eighteen to thirty six five and twenty the forty

49:37 three thousand, two hundred and twenty two. It will probably be fifty or sixty thousand for the next election. Those are people who are almost all non citizens in Arizona. There you go, ladies and gentlemen, this is what's happening, and this is what's happening to our democracy, and it's all being compromised at the hands. I'd say, for the most part, Democratic Party. I know some people always like say, well it's the uniparty or you know, it happens on both sides regardless, but clearly the Democratic Party is leading the charge in voter fraud. They're stealing elections, and they are putting in place those who they select, not what we the people select. Joe Freed has been with us, the author of Debunked, also his new book How Elections Are Stolen. Here are twenty three ways recommend it. And of course now he says, now it's got to be twenty four ways, and I'm sure the next time we talked and it will probably be close up to thirty, because you know, they just keep on working and we just keep on discovering the new ways that they're cheating. Joe Fred cannot thank you enough.

50:49 Look forward to having you back soon and very soon, my friend. You take care of Thank you. Bell is always wonderful with you. Thanks you got it. Our gratitude to Joe Fried and all his great work and what he's doing on the half of freedom and liberty for the people. And thank you so much for being with us and sharing a part of your day. May God bless you and keep you. May make his face shine upon you. May He be gracious unto you and give you peace. Thank you so much for being with us. God blessed. Take care