Everyone Has A World View-It's Why We Behave The Way We Do

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W FORCY Radio. Well, good
afternoon, and welcome Bill Martin is here.

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Great to have you with us,
and I'm really excited about having doctor

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George Barne with us. Doctor George
and I go back years early on and

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I read a book that he had
written that pointed out having a biblical world

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view. This was something a little
new for me, frankly, even with

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my Catholic background, and then also
just coming out of Bible College, and

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when I felt God was calling me
to get behind the microphone and to do

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a talk show. Now, you
gotta keep in mind I was an li

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radio for many years. I was
a disc jockey, a total juvenile playing

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music, okay, not talking about
you know, current events, much less

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things as heavy that had to do
with spiritual things. And I got to

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tell you was life changing for me. And when doctor George had written this

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book and I looked at what was
going on with a biblical worldview, and

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I thought, wow, this is
critical. I think at the time,

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less than ten percent or maybe when
the number was around ten percent, ten

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percent of Evangelical Christians could be defined
as having and holding to a biblical world

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view. Worse yet, we're the
senior pastors in the pulpit. I think

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just a little above fifty percent of
the senior pastors in evangelical churches held to

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a biblical worldview. We're gonna talk
about a biblical worldview, what it's all

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about, so that you understand and
that you can see yourself. You know,

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are you adhering to a biblical worldview? Does a biblical worldview makes sense

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to you? Doctor George Barna joins
us. Now he is the Cultural Research

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Center's President's it's all his responsibility.
It's all his fault at Arizona Christian University.

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So now that we know that it's
all his responsibility, we can relax

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a little bit. Doctor George good
to have you with us. How are

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you well? I was a lot
better before that. Now I'm feeling the

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pressure. Oh my gosh. Well, you're a professor. You can handle

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this. I mean, it's it's
no sweat for you. All right,

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Let's let's start at the very top. What is a biblical worldview? George?

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Well, let's even go back a
further step. What's a worldview?

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Because a biblical worldview is just one
variety of the worldviews that are available to

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us. So a worldview is the
way that we experience and respond to and

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think about the world around us and
who we are within that world. In

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essence, our worldview is the intellectual, emotional, and spiritual filter that we

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use to take all that information and
convert it into decisions. You and I

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and everybody watching and listening today.
We make hundreds, maybe thousands of decisions

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every day, and the basis on
which we make those choices is our worldview.

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It's critical for us to get through
every day, is it all?

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Wait just a minute, I was
just thinking, just as you were saying

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this, See, this is how
good God is. We don't have to

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make a decision about breathing, do
we? Thankfully? Now our body does,

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but I mean it may mean exactly
anyway. Go ahead, I'm sorry,

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it's okay, that's okay. You
mentioned earlier you are juvenile in your

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past. I'm not sure that's changed, but whatever, we'll move past that,

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all right, thank you. Yeah. No, The idea here is

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that you have to make decisions all
the time. Worldview is the basis on

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which you make those choices. But
you've also got different kinds of worldviews.

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And when we talk about worldview,
some people said, oh, that's so

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ivory tower and so academic. It
really isn't everybody has when everybody uses one

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and a different way of thinking about
it is. It's your philosophy of life.

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So it's where you take all these
ideas and try to figure out who

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do I want to be, Who
do I think I'm supposed to be,

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How did I get here? What
am I supposed to do? All of

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those kinds of issues. So,
a biblical worldview is one of the dozens

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of philosophies of life that exist on
our planet today, most of which all

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the others of which have been made
up by human being. A biblical worldview

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is the worldview that God gives to
us because he wants us to thrive.

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He's to flourish in life, and
so he gave us a guide book,

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the Bible, that tells us here's
how you can do that, because these

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are the rules to life. This
will tell you what works and what doesn't

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work, what pleases me, what
angers me. And so if you live

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within the confines of what I give
you here, that's a Biblical worldview,

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you will succeed, you will flourish, thrive, you'll have joy. Seeing

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one of the problems with other worldviews
is that they're trying to achieve happiness.

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Happiness is emotional, it's fleeting,
it changing, yeah, admitted by minute.

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But God's trying to get us to
experience joy, which is lasting because

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it's based on His truth, which
is the truth that really exists exactly.

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So biblical worldview is the thing that
we want different way of thinking about it.

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If you want to have a biblical
worldview, then you've how to look

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at what you believe because that influences
what you do. You do what you

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believe exactly. So the idea is
to think like Jesus so that you can

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act like Jesus. And that's what
gives you a thriving experience. You know,

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George, you and I talked about
this before. Every time we get

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to this point, it takes me
to that moment in time with God and

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Kane one on one. Caine's upset
because God doesn't accept his sacrifice. He

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thought that maybe God would grade on
the curve. Didn't happen, and God

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told him very clearly. And I
believe this admonishment has been ringing through the

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millennium, if we'll only have ears
to hear, and this coincides, I

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believe with what you're talking about in
terms of holding to a biblical worldview.

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God told Kane and us very plainly, if you do right, will it

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not go well for you? That
just to me, that's that's a billboard,

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that's there's nothing more to discuss,
right, Yeah, absolutely, And

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it's fascinating to me to read through
the Bible. With each character God's trying

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to shape them. You know,
we're made in his image, in his

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likeness, right, because we have
free will, we can make choices.

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That's say, yeah, I could
do what God wants me to do,

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but I'd rather do something else because
I think it's gonna give me greater happiness

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or whatever. Exactly. So with
each character in the scriptures. God is

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kind of shape, and I'm prodding
him, pushing him and monishing him,

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showing him, you know, he
wants us to grow. He wants us

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to grow to become light. Christ
will never be Christ, but to be

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more and more like the example that
Jesus gave to us. And so Kane

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is one of those great examples of
how that works. Yeah, and help

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people understand what God meant when he
said, if you do right? What?

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What? What did he? What
did God especially mean? We said,

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if you do right? King,
well, I mean with everybody in

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the scriptures to whom he gave those
kinds of phrases. He was saying,

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you know, I realized there is
right and wrong, and it's not based

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on what you're feeling about the situation, what you're feeling about yourself, what

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you're feeling about me God. You
know, it's based on the truths that

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I've laid out for you from the
beginning of time. I'm the only one

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who's created things. I created them
for a reason, and there are rules

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that go with all these things that
I've created. And I love you as

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a human being part of my creation
so much that I've dispelled these rules in

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writing for you, and so all
you have to do is read them,

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understand them, except them, follow
them, and it will go well for

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you well. And as you say, it will go well, there is

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a righteous outcome, right, I
mean, I'm trying to keep this simple

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insense for people and not Christian needs
it, but so help me that it

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will go well with you. I
mean that the proper results because here you

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have God Almighty, who created the
heavens and earth to at the end of

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the game, it was going to
produce a specific outcome, right absolutely,

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And you know the beauty of this
is that we get to participate in that

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outcome. He gives us that opportunity. So that's why your worldview is so

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important, because every choice you makes
affects those outcomes. And so knowing what

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to believe, why to believe it, and what to do with it,

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that's all critically important. That's all
part of this worldview developmental process that I'm

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so keyed on. Exactly. This
is way so cool. I just love

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this. I love this time together. We always have lots of fun.

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Doctor George Barnett is with us,
and we've got to go to quick break

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with your Bill Martinez. Here with
doctor George Barner, the professor at Arizona

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Christian University and the president of the
Cultural Reef Search Center at ACU. George,

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you want to hang into Genesis for
just a moment here as you were

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talking again, it's your fault.
Yeah, you trigger me in and I

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just feel like between you and the
Holy Spirit, I don't have very little

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I have very little room to move
here. But I'm thinking about here we

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are. God says that he created
us. God really did say this.

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He created us in his image.
I mean when you think about that,

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the power that resides in His creation, in you and me, it just

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overwhelms me. George, Well,
it's a great responsibility. And as I

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think one of the Marvel movies one
said, you know, with great power

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comes great responsibility. And that's kind
of our situation is we have tremendous power

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because we're made in God's image,
tremendous capabilities were made in His likeness.

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That comes with responsibility. What are
we going to do with that? And

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again, God didn't leave it to
chance. He told us, Okay,

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here's what I expect of you.
He wants us to enjoy life, but

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within the parameters that He's set for
us. And so it's it's kind of

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an ideal situation. So many people
will seem to get upset about the fact

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that the Bible, as they would
put it, puts limits on us.

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Okay, it does establish some limits, but that's because if we transcend those

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limits, it's to our disadvantage.
He loves us enough, he's trying to

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protect us, trying to secure us, trying to set us up for success

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and freedom enjoy and so, you
know, just play by the rules.

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It's very simple, exactly. You
know, I look at it as kind

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of an infrastructure created by God Almighty
to make sure that it would go well

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with us. And as you say, if we play according to the rules,

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it goes well for us. If
we choose that we want to be

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defiant and like, oh yeah,
let's defy gravity, well then you find

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out real quick, well that gravity
thing is really there. So if you

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let's extend that concept of the law
of gravity and how it benefits us and

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how it can harm us. In
a sense, those are the rules in

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law of God, aren't they.
They are. And you know, I

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think back to when I was a
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and you know, I love playing
baseball, and I was out there every

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day playing. But baseball, as
much as I love it, and I

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love it to this day, it
has rules. And if you break those

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rules, I mean, you could
get ejected from the game. You can

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strike out, you can be thrown
out for running outside the base paths,

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you know, and you can make
all kinds of clever arguments about well,

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you know, if you look at
it this way, I really wasn't out

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of base paths. Look, there's
an arbiter we call the umpire, and

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in life it's the same way.
The one who made us is the one

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who gets to determine the rules and
the outcomes. And so if we're willing

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to work with them, all goes
well. Well. And oh yeah,

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by the way, when they came
up with the rules of baseball, I

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don't think they made any accommodation for
the sisters of perpetual indulgence. Just throwing

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that in there because you know me, I'm a I'm a rebel. Oh

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you gotta do what you can.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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but but you know, look what
happened. You had thousands, thousands of

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Catholics outside of Chavez Ravine praying their
hearts out right, and the Dodgers go

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and they lose fifteen to nothing to
their arch enemy, the San Francisco Giants,

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just saying Okay, I'll let you
connect the dots however way you want

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to connect the dots. Chance,
I think not. You know, that

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whole thing with the Dodgers was a
really interesting thing because they made the offer

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to that particular group to come and
you know, do what they do and

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get an award, and the community
went wild. They were very upset,

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and the Dodgers rescinded the offer,
and then the other community got upset,

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so, well, you can't take
that offer away. You know, you

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told him you give me an award, you should do. So the Dodgers

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gave him back the invitation. They
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we're going to stick with it.
You come why because they were afraid of

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being embarrassed, right, And this
is one of the things about our culture

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is we've got to get our value
straight. What makes the most difference my

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feelings, GI might be embarrassed,
people might think less of me or truth

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and righteousness, justice, you know, doing the right thing. Now.

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The only way we know that is
by going back to God's words, because

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he's the only one who truly defines
the right thing. Some people who said

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to me, well, that's not
true because we live in a nation where

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you know, we have the constitution. Okay, let's look at how they

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wrote the constitution exactly back to God's
rules, and they said, let's live

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within these odes because that's the way
it's meant to be, and that's how

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we will thrive as a country.
So that worked for a quarter of a

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millennium, you know. Now we're
trying to change that to our detriment.

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Well, it's quite the clash of
world views, to say the least.

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George, I mean, look what
happened. I mean, they did end

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up giving them an award, and
I don't know if you saw how many

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people were not in attendance when they
did that. I think it almost looked

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like maybe a dozen people at Chavez
Ravine that holds like fifty thousand people.

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I mean, it's pretty anemic.
I was sharing with a friend of mine

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here that when I was in LA
working for a radio station, we had

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a softball team that would play all
over the community and we had a lot

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of followers there, and of course
it didn't hurt us to have as our

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opponents the cast and crew of Happy
Days during the height of their popularity,

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right, And so Steve Brennan,
who is the pr guy for the Dodgers

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that year, calls us up and
says, hey, would you guys be

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willing to do uh, you know, kind of a pregame at Dodger Stadium.

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Well, for me, I grew
up playing baseball like you and uh,

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you know, the closest thing I
could get to Chavez Ravine was out

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in the stands. Always had a
desire to, you know, having that

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opportunity. Didn't quite made it,
you know, had some great teams along

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the way that we played with.
But here I am, okay, I'm

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going to Dodger Stadium. So what
they shortened the bases we're playing in the

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softball you know type of Formatt and
Henry Winkler's pitching for them on pitching for

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our team, and the Dodgers were
like thirty games out of first place.

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George. You know for our game
pre game, there were thirty nine thousand

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people in attendance. Oh my gosh, did you believe that? Okay,

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And so that's more than the Oakland
Day's gap during the exactly well and for

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many years, uh more than the
Braves would get in Atlanta, you know.

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So uh yeah, it was.
It was quite the deal. So

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needless to say, were we were
invited uh successive times to come back to

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Dodger Stadium was a lot of fun. Of course, it wasn't so much

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about it. It was the people
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and played against. We played against. One team that we played again was

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the Group War and Maury Wills was
their second baseman. So what does that

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tell you? So But but again
the point being is there's a class of

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class of world views right now.
To what you were saying earlier, it's

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how we behave the decisions that we
make. And where this country is right

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now, it has unleashed itself,
it's unanchored itself from moral principles and godly

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values, and we're all over the
place right now. And the thing is,

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George, I really feel for this
next generation that's being bombarded with this,

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and my hope is that they can
see from all the all the evil

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and all the bad decisions that their
parents have made, that they learned from

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that as well as much as we
did being blessed being raised by probably the

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greatest generation after World War Two,
the Baby Boomers, Right. Yeah,

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you know. It's interesting because one
of the challenges, I think to all

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of us is to recognize that,
as we were talking about responsibility before,

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if laws or policies or ways of
living are being thrust upon us, expected

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of us, demanded of us that
are in conflict with God's ways, what

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we're seeing in America today is most
people rolling over and playing dead and say,

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well, you know, the government
said. And the reality is,

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when you read God's word, the
government reports to God, and so we

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all do. And so our responsibility
is to go back to his words to

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try to figure out what does God
expect here? And who am I going

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to pay attention to? Who am
I going to live for? Who am

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I going to obey and be the
government? If what they're demanding of us

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conflicts with God's word. There's ample
evidence of that. I mean, that's

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why America started you know, devoted
Christians in England said, no, the

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king is asking us to do things
that are against God's word. He will

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not do that. We need another
place to be, or he's got to

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change if we're going to stay here. He wasn't going to change. They

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obey? Who am I responsible to? Amen Off to break we go,

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us, George, I wanted to get

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back now and talk about the worldview
experience. You talk about the phases of

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the world view experience. Break that
down for us, if you would.

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Well. One of the things that
I discovered is we were studying how worldview

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develops, is that every person's worldview
is essentially developed by the age of thirteen,

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and so between somewhere around fifteen to
eighteen months of age and the age

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of twelve or thirteen, a person's
worldview forms through all the experiences they have,

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the lessons they learn, the things
they read, and so forth.

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So all of that takes place.
It's a period where you know, we're

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trying to figure out how life works
and who we are within it. Then

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we discovered that the next phase is
during our teens and twenties, and that's

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a period where we take that worldview
that was initially developed and we refine it,

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We work on it to try to
get it just rights that it really

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fits us like a glove, and
try to also discover how can I integrate

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this into every aspect of my life. Remember what a worldview does is helps

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us make decisions. So what we're
trying to do is make decisions that are

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internally consistent and that really work for
how we want to live and who we

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want to be. And then we
found the third phase is when we reach

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our late twenties or early thirties up
through sometime in our sixties, and that's

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a period where we become evangelists worldview
evangelists, and what we're trying to do

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during that phase is to get other
people to embrace our worldview. Because we

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worked hard at it, we think
we've got it right. It's working for

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us, surely it would work for
other people. So we try to get

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others to buy into it, and
when they do that, it gives us

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a little boost of self confidence at
kicking the ego. Yeah, look,

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I must be getting it right because
other people are buying into this too.

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So we're trying to be consistent with
our own worldview and to get others to

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buy it. And then finally when
we reach our mid to late sixties and

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beyond that, that's a period of
time where we tend to sit back and

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reflect on how we did. We're
trying to discover did I get it right?

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Well, what is there something I
got wrong? What did I get

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wrong? Because that's also a period
of time when we tend to work with

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grandchildren or great grandchildren, and so
we're concerned about what can we share with

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them that we've really learned over all
these years, And if I got something

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wrong, I want to fix it
now before I pass it on to those

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who come after me. Well,
especially when you talk about talking with your

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grandchildren at least I found George.
It is so cool when you're able to

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have that kind of conversation. And
it's a bit of redemption, you know,

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as you say, yeah, you're
right, I did I mess that

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up. But I'm sharing this with
you because it's what I experience, and

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as God taught me, it's experience
that defines preference, and at my age

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had a lot of experience, and
my preferences are getting more and more defined

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to reflect a biblical worldview. All
your fault, by the way, well

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yeah, I'm thankful to hear that, but I agree with you. I

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mean, in working with my grandkids, just what you're saying. I love

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going to him say, you know
what, I blew this when I was

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your age. But here's what I've
learned over the years. Let me share

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that with you. As my eyes
get real big, it's like, oh

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my gosh, Grandpa is going to
tell us, not you, Grandpa,

422
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you didn't There's no way you didn't
do that. I bet you to get

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you all these two. Yeah,
so it really is a lot of fun.

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But you know what, I also
find that that only happens if you're

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intentional about this. And so here's
you know, in my waiting years here,

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I've got a great opportunity to influence
some young lives during that period of

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their life where they're trying to figure
you're a doubt, and to have that

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opportunity to help shape that strategically,
intelligently, intentionally, you know, based

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on the experiences that the lords put
me through. What a privilege that is.

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Yeah, without a doubt. Let's
address how the biblical worldview makes a

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difference as to what's morally unacceptable behavior
for example, Yeah, you know,

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I mean I've been doing this kind
of research for more than thirty years now,

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and one of the things that consistently
bubbles to the surface is the difference

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in ideas and lifestyles and values of
people who have a biblical worldview in those

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who don't. And so you look
at something like morality, what do we

436
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consider to be moral? And the
differences are massive, and I think when

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you look at our culture today,
this is one of the things that we

438
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see every single day, the unfortunate
choices that so many people are making.

439
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.039
Well, it's because they don't have
a biblical worldview. Their worldview is syncretistic,

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00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.960
you know, so they're relying on
Marxism or secular humanism or postponeity,

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00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.280
whatever it may be, to help
make their choices, and they're not working

442
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.800
for them. They're not working for
our culture. But when you look at

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those numbers, what you see is
that there's huge differences. As a social

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00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.519
scientist, when I study data,
if I find differences of five, six,

445
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.880
seven percentage points, I get excited. All of us in my industry

446
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.920
do. But you look at these
differences. We're talking about forty percentage points,

447
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fifty percentage point, sixty percentage points. It's incredible. You never see

448
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.199
these kinds of differences. Why do
we see this Because we're going back to

449
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the idea of what is truth,
what really is right and wrong? And

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when we look at morality, when
we look at religious behavior, when we

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look at lifestyles in all of these
different areas, we're seeing these these huge

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differences. Whether it has to do
with, you know, should you have

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sex before you get married, whether
it has to do with things like should

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you have an abortion? You know, is lying okay, if I'm doing

455
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.760
it for what I think is going
to be good for me. You know,

456
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.519
is cheating on your tax return okay? Is not repaying a loan to

457
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:30.239
a wealthy relative. Okay, they
don't need the money, I think,

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I do. You know, And
the biblical answer is, now, all

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those things are wrong. The cultural
answer typically is, yeah, we can

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justify that, but that's all we're
doing. We're not playing by God's rules,

461
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We're playing by our rules. Yeah. And the thing that people have

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to keep in mind here, George, is the difference between a biblical worldview

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and not having a biblical worldview probably
less than one percent. Uh yeah,

464
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well, well what are we down
to? About maybe three to four percent

465
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of your friends that you contact with
are going to hold to that other that

466
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second category under no biblical worldview.
So whether it's about sexual intercourse before marriage

467
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or somebody that you're not married to, an abortion, lying, cheating on

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00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.960
your tax returns, or not repaying
a loan. I mean, look look

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at the response there and the behavior
of somebody that doesn't hold to a biblical

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00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:30.800
worldview. And even like nine pot
nine and a half out of ten roughly

471
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:35.400
are going to fall in that category. Yeah, and you know, sometimes

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they'll surprise us. They'll have a
biblical perspective even though they don't have a

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biblical worldview. But on what particular
issue. They may have a biblical perspective,

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and that's because the reigning worldview in
America is syncretism, where we'll buy

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a few precepts from a biblical worldview, will take a few from Marxism,

476
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.400
a few from Eastern mysticism, a
few from many different worldviews, blend them

477
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.960
together into something that makes me feel
good about myself. So, smartest board

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00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.920
religion, this is what has come
down to, right, It really is,

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That's what it is. So,
you know, when we're dealing with

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other people, generally speaking, the
safest course of action is to assume that

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they do not think biblically, and
so when we're interacting with them, we

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can't make assumptions that. You know, when I say this, I get

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it because it's based on God's truth. When I say it, they're going

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to look at me like you know
dog does when you blow a whistle.

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You know, they what are you
talking about? That doesn't make any sense?

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And so we've always got to be
right, you know first Peter three

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fifteen. Always be prepared to give
a reason for the hope that's within you.

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And that means that we have to
know what we believe, and we

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have to be willing to take the
time to simply explain it to others exactly.

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Bill Martinez here along with doctor George
Barner, the professor of Arizona Christian University

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and the president of the Cultural Research
Center at ACUD. Did you think you

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would have this much fun? Huh? Nobody expects to have this much fun?

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Well really, Oh, we're almost
not allowed to. But this is

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what happens when you're free in Jesus, ladies and gentlemen, because where the

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spirit is, there is liberty there. Indeed, Hey, George, can

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we talk about your new book for
just a minute. I'm gonna let you

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give a shameless plug. This is
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this, you know it's the generation
that's our primary parenting generation in America today,

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so their influence on the whole domain
of world view is enormous. We

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look at the fact they're the largest
generation in the country and we know that

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as a group, they're hurting.
I mean, we did this research to

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try to figure out what are the
things that they need, what can we

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do to help them. We found
out things about their mental health, we

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found out things about their worldview,
we found out things about their relationships and

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their connections, you know, and
much more. So the book goes into

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all this. I was privileged to
have a lot of pastors and other experts

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towards the back of the book come
in and say, here's what we've learned

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about ministering to these folks, about
how to be more effective, more loving,

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more understanding, and compassionate. Because
that's what we want to do.

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We want to represent Christ well in
their lives. So that's what this book

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is all about. Let's take some
data, understand them, let's take some

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experience, and really go after them
with love. The book available in all

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the usual places. We'll link it
on our website as well. Laises and

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Gentlemen at Bill Martini Show Dot com
This is a powerful book. I mean,

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you know, we were told for
two and a half years we should

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follow the science. We've got to
make sure we're following the right science and

567
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the right figures. So in this
bigular case, you know, doctor George's

568
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:51.000
been faithful to the numbers and the
science and the research. And you know,

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00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.519
whether it's these pastors that you met
with or other you know, key

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church leaders, they're starting to see
the reality because you know, that's one

571
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.880
thing that our faith teaches us is
that you know, we want to you

572
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.320
know, inspect the fruit, right, what is the fruit of our behavior?

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Well, and it's interesting when you
talk about that, because when Jesus

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was teaching his disciples, you know, and we've got the great commission,

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that's what we're here to do,
is to make disciples. Jesus said six

576
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.280
times you will be my disciple if
or you cannot be my disciple unless and

577
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one of those is in John fifteen
eight, where as you're alluding to,

578
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you know, he talked about if
you want to be my disciple, you

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must produce much spiritual fruit. And
so he's talking about the kinds of things

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that we read about in Paul's writings. About the fruit of the spirit.

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You know, love, joy,
peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

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et cetera. All these kinds of
things being shown into the being sown into

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the lives of other people. That's
how you produce good fruit. You raise

584
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them up to be people who know
and love and serve Jesus. You raise

585
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.719
them up to be people who are
serving God by trying to get other people

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00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.519
to recognize the value, the beauty, the joy of that relationship. That's

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what that whole production of fruit is
about. It's not about appricots and apples

588
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.320
exactly well, And you have to
know the difference the legitimate from the fake.

589
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I keep using this example, George, because I think it's so appropriate.

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You know, I remind our audience
that when bankers study counterfeit, when

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they run across counterfeit money, what
they're trained to do is to focus and

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study on the legitimate. And it's
amazing how the counterfeit will stand out once

593
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you're aware of the legitimate. And
I believe the application here has to do

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with our faith. If we are
not studying to show ourselves approved with the

595
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.239
legitimate, we're going to get fooled
by the counterfeit. Are we not absolutely.

596
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.760
And that's a great example. And
I actually have the opportunity to talk

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to one of the people who went
through some federal training on that, and

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what she told me was, you
know what, it wasn't even just about

599
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.119
looking at a computer screen and seeing
different images and comparing them. She said,

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00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.559
they just had us in a room
and for a week all we did

601
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:16.679
was we felt money. They give
us dollar bills, one hundred dollar bills,

602
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:20.719
thousand dollables, and they say,
just feel it. Is it real

603
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.519
or not? And so the idea
was you had to experience it firsthand.

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And that's what people have to do
with us as Christians. They have to

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00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:35.159
see us live in that life and
experiencing it firsthand so that they can know

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00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.800
what the real thing is. That's
so critical that we'd be that model of

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00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:44.400
Jesus to other people. But you
can't be the real thing yourself if you're

608
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.719
not doing the real thing, like
oh, reading or studying the Bible,

609
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.159
right, yeah. Yeah. And
you know, so we look at this

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pandemic period and when it started,
I thought, well, okay, you

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know, we've got these draconia expectations
being jammed down our throats by the government.

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We don't necessarily have to go along
with them, but a lot of

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people will do that and that might
work out to be okay because it gives

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them more time to read the Bible, more time to think about the things

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of the Lord. And what we
actually found now that we're doing the research

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after the pandemic is most people didn't
do that. In fact, millennials didn't

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even consider faith as one of the
solutions. Jen X said, well,

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we're going to move in a different
direction than the biblical direction. So you

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know, it was a lost opportunity. But you look at things like Bible

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reading that's gone down by six or
seven percentage points in the last three years.

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That's a big drop or I'm sorry, church attendance. You look at

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Bible reading that's gone down, and
then you look at will it really make

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a difference. Yeah, look at
this chart that you get on the screen

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reading or studying the Bible. You
know, people have a biblical worldview know

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from personal experience it makes all the
difference in the world, and so they

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do that constantly. People without a
biblical worldview not nearly as committed, not

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as many are committed, you know, But you look at all of those

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things people with a biblical worldview,
again, through their personal experience, have

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come to realize these are things I
must do to enjoy the fullness of life,

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which is what Jesus has promised us, if we'll live the way that

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He's taught us to live. Why
are so many Americans today committing suicide,

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unhappy, jumping from job to job, getting divorced because they can't find joy.

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Well, it's because they're not living
in accordance with God's ways of doing

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things. And so you know,
I think this chart helps us to see,

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Yeah, there's a big gap,
and that gap is literally killing people

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if you're not doing it God's way. Well, George, the thing that

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stands out for me, I mean, you're ninety plus percentile with people who

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have a biblical worldview versus not having
a biblical worldview. So I would say

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that those that hold to a biblical
worldview, it's like they're they're holding on

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with a sense, if I might
say, with all due respect, with

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a sense of desperation. Well,
and I think also there's this notion of

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Okay, if I'm not going to
do it Jesus way, what way am

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I going to do it? What
way has been shown to be better.

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You know, all of my neighbors, my colleagues at work, my friends

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on the ball field, they're all
struggling. They're all trying to figure it

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out. Jesus made it simple.
I've seen it work for other people.

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If I don't go that way,
what way am I going to go?

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Exactly? There's no better alternative.
Well, doctor George Barnem, You're You're

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always a blessing, and I just
so appreciate you. I'm telling you,

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I appreciate the relationship. I appreciate
the time that you're so faithful to share

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with us, your your skill set, your you know, uh, your

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talents and giftings that God has blessed
you with. I just want you to

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know I just so highly appreciate you. We've got about thirty seconds left,

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okay, I'll let you have sixty
okay, So I'm going to let you

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summarize, summarize this and bring us
home and remind everybody where they can go

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and they'd like more information and be
in contact with you. You know what,

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You've been called to be a disciple, and by being a disciple,

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you've been called to make disciples.
And so know what God has told us

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to do have that worldview the mind
of Christ. I think like Jesus so

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that you can act like Jesus.
And when you act like Jesus, that

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will attract other people to you because
it's so unusual in our culture today.

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They'll want to know, how do
you decide to do that? How's that

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working for you? Could I do
that? What difference do you think it

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would make? Be their role model? You're not perfect, but you can

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be the closest thing to Jesus that
they encounter until they find it personally.

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You know, you can go to
our website to see all the research Cultural

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Research Center dot com. It's all
free. Take advantage of it, read

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it, share it, you know, write to us about it. We'd

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love to hear from you, but
exactly you take advantage of it. You

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got a doctor George barn A,
professor at Arizona Christian University, the president

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of the Cultural Research Center at ACU. We thank you for your time for

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more information, by the way,
and to be part of this mighty Martinis

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movement to return to God and to
save our country. Check it out Bill

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Martinez Show dot com. May God
bless you and keep you and make his

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face shine upon you. Go and
be blessed beyond your imaginations. Thank you,