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FOURCY Radio. Well, welcome.
This is Bill Martinez and we are live.

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We're going to be visiting with the
best selling author Jerry Jenkins in just

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a few moments. The Chosen the
book series. This is the third installment

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The Chosen and I Will Give You
Rest Twenty one time New York best selling

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author Jerry Jenkins, author of The
Chosen, I Will Give You rests.

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As I mentioned, the third installment
of this novel series. He shares the

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biblical and historical context featured in the
novels and series as an artistic understanding of

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Jesus and his disciples. Similar to
other films or novels based on the life

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of Jesus and why, the continued
success of the Chosen series and teasers for

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the upcoming season. We've got this
and more to talk about, So stay

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with us right now and welcome Jerry
Jenkins. Jerry, welcome, Michelle.

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Good to have you with us.
Thanks so much. Bill, great to

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be with you. Well, Billy, you've been on such a role and

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of course people have known you from
your previous multiple success of the Left Behind

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series sold over sixty three million copies, and of course your success continues with

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this, the third installment of the
Chosen book series. Yeah, it's been

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great fun. This project, of
course, is is the creation of my

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son Dallas, and this is really
all his and so I feel like I'm

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sort of pressing my nose up against
the glass asking if I can play too.

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He's allowed me to do this and
it's been great fun. Well,

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and the thing that might be unusual
people say, well, wait a minute,

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why is Jerry giving us the third
you know, the thirds based on

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the third season when the third season
has been completed and we're getting ready to

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go into season four. Yeah,
the novels are to really add benefit.

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We don't want to just mirror what's
been on the screen. When you see

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something in the novel that has been
on the screen, it's going to be

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the same thing. But I'm adding
even more imagination and more inner monologue and

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the motivations of the characters. They
might even see some new characters and new

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dialogue. So the novels could stand
alone. But they really are a great

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companion. And I'm getting gratifying response
from readers who say that they watched the

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series, but some they might have
slipped past them. They didn't quite understand

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it. They read it in the
novel and they get it. Yeah,

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exactly well, and this is the
beauty of the novel, is that well,

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even like the series, Jerry,
I Taya, I read or watch

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certain episodes and going, how did
I miss that? You know what I

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mean? Yeah, I feel the
same way. And you know, I

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watch these things sometimes twenty times to
write these novels, and I never get

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tired of one scene. They all
moved me emotionally every time. There's something

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really magical about this whole series,
and it's a privilege to get to work

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with it. Well, no doubt. In Christian circles we often talk about

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the anointing of a project. It
could be a song, in this case

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a project. Certainly you experienced it
immensely with the Left Behind series. No

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doubt that the whole Chosen series has
has been anointed. This is you know,

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the supernatural impact, spiritual impact that
it has had universally is remarkable,

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isn't it. It really is.
And I think when something like this happens,

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it reminds you how little you have
to do with it. I don't

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want to sound falsely modest, but
Dallas has the same feeling that this thing

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is bigger than we are, right
even though it's his creation and he brings

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a lot to the table. You
know, we want to be really careful

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to say we're just holding on for
dear life. And as Dallas likes to

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say, we bring the loaves and
fish, it's God who does the miracles

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and the multiplying, and we're seeing
that happen. Yeah, exactly, and

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no doubt I mean the whole team, I mean the writing of these episodes,

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and of course you can appreciate it
from your perspective as a writer.

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It is just so uniquely powerful and
inspirational, isn't it. And on a

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whole other level it seems Yeah,
and that's been what makes it really easy

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for me. Usually when I'm writing
a novel, I'm creating something out of

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nothing, and that can be a
grueling process. And until I get the

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story down and have something to work
with, I'm really strolling with this.

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I've got the you know, obviously
the TV series is based on the Bible,

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but they're adding creative you know,
they have creative license to add plausible

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imagination to it and add characters and
add dialogue and help it come to life

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and say here's what we know happened, and write do that on the screen,

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and here's how it may have led
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get to do the same. So
I'm kind of deconstructing and writing it afterward,

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and the sequence is already there.
We know the story, so that

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makes my job a lot easier.
But it's it's really been challenging and fun.

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Yeah, I Bet and Jared.
What happens in those moments is you're

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going through and you're deconstructing and you're
you know, putting it in novel form,

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and all of a sudden, the
Holy Spirit opens your eyes to new

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rebel. What do you do?
Yeah, it's it can be overwhelming.

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I know this is my fiftieth year
as a novelist, and so I should.

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You know, some of the stuff
should be old hat to me,

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and it's not. In this case. As I say, it moves me

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every time, and when I see
something new, I'm just grateful for it,

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and I want to make sure I
stay out of the way and don't

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intrude and just let the spirit speak
through me and hope that readers benefit that

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way too. So when that happens, do you call Dallas up and say,

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Dallas, this is what God showed
me. What do you think?

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Yeah, we do that a lot. You know, we just interact on

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stuff like that. One of the
things that I know is not my wheelhouse,

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and that's script writing. He and
his co writers are brilliant at that,

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and I love to see what they
They're so creative. So I don't

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intrude on their meetings, but I
do love to let him know what kind

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of angle I'm taking and see what
he thinks of it. And you know,

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see he's always thrilled with what I
do. The joke in our house

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is I always thought everything Dallas did
was brilliant. At this time, I

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was right. I'm sure he kind
of appreciates that that backhanded sort of compliment,

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right, Yeah, I you know, he he used to be known

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as Jerry Jenkins's son, and I'm
now known as Dallas Jenkins's father, and

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so I and I wouldn't have it
any other way. I think that's great.

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Well, I think when the mantle
is exchanged and passed on like that,

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you know, this all becomes part
of your legacy and you've got you've

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got so much to be proud of
and what Dallas has been accomplishing, and

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how God is moving in and through
his life, and how he's blessing the

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entire world for that matter. Jerry, Yeah, and Diana and I get

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asked every day, you know how
proud we must be of what Dallas is

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doing, And we like to say
we're as proud of who he is as

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as what he's done. He's really
become a man of God. Yeah.

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Well, I don't know how you
can be touched by this series that God

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has put in his lap and not
be not be changed. I mean probably,

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and I'm sure you could address this
the Dallas that you knew before the

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Chosen versus the Dallas that you know
now. Yeah, I've really seen him

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grow. And the interesting thing about
this is the phenomenon of Left Behind hit

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me when I was in my mid
forties, but believe it or not,

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that's been twenty eight years ago.
Amazing one book came out and Dallas is

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now in his late forties, and
we feel like it's been very enriching that

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it happened at this stage, these
stages of our lives, because had it

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happened when we were in our twenties, we might have got our heads turned

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and thought we'd done something, we'd
accomplished something. When you're in your forties,

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you have a different perspective of family
and people and life, and you

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realize if God is in so and
you need to just hang on for dear

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life, get out of the way
and let him speak through you, and

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let the phenomenon take care of itself. Stick to the knitting exactly. We're

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talking with Jerry Jenkins his book It's
the third installment, novel number three,

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The Chosen, and I Will give
you rest. The message of this third

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season is right there in the title, Jerry, right it is, and

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it's basically the main story is Simon
Peter and his wife. Now we know

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he was married from scripture. We
know he was married because his mother in

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law was healed by Jesus. She
was sick and he healed her. And

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you can't be can't have a mother
in law unless you're married. So we

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know he's married, but nobody knew
her name or what their relationship was like.

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And that's the genius I think of
the chosen writers and how they have

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fleshed this out and made these real
people. I can remember so often reading

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the New Testament and reading about the
disciples, and Simon has a unique personality,

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and a couple of the others have
you know, the sons of Thunder,

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James and John, but the rest, you know, they all seem

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like stained glass window. Characters sometimes
are statues, and we picture them as

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old men with gray beards, marching
around and speaking King James English. But

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with these characters that they've put on
the screen, we realize these were young

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men, they were blue collar guys, they were regular people. They had

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flaws. We can identify with them, and exactly we can now picture them

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in our minds when we read this, and I think that's what makes this

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work. Yeah, it's so relatable. You're exactly right, Jerry, that

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and you know, in some cases
where people want to hold on to the

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word of God in such a way
that, no, that's the way it's

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supposed to be. It's a little
bit of a stretch for them, you

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know, to and and I think
as a result, they failed to appreciate

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the dynamic, you know. And
the idea is that the show and you

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know, brings to bear because like
you said, the characters are relatable.

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I think it causes us to think
a little bit deeper and maybe even pause

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on those moments that you know,
the chosen has has focused on, you

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know, whether it was you know, little James and dealing with his issue

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of healing. How could he go
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he himself clearly has not been healed. Yeah, those things are so important,

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and I think that people are finding
The people who criticize it will say,

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you know that I didn't see that
in the Bible. But I think

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readers and stute viewers can. They
know the difference. And when we get

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to the sermons or the miracles that
are that are on the screen, they're

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exactly the way they are portrayed in
the Bible. But sometimes that's only two

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or three verses, so we can
say, look, what might have been

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the conversations that led up to that, what might have been the circumstances that

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led up to that. And as
they say, if somebody's stud they know

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which part is that absolutely biblical and
what part is creative imagination. But the

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key is plausibility. These writers have
decided this may be the way it happened.

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We're not saying it's scripture. And
when we get to the truth of

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scripture, we render that just exactly
the way you see it in the Bible,

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exactly well. And and you know, one of the underplayed parts of

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the life of Jesus is his humanity. And I think what the writers have

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done here has has really you know, brought that to bear to where we

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can relate to Jesus, uh,
you know, beyond the Son of God,

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uh, but as as a fellow
humanoid here on earth, coming down

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from Heaven to earth, you know, relating all that we're dealing with.

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And you know, as you and
I talked the last time, with a

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sense of humor, ruh, Yeah, he has a sense of humor.

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There's the camaraderie he has friends,
they disappoint him, and sometimes they questioned

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him, and it makes him real. I mean, I think this is

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one of the things that the Dallas
struggled with as a young man. He

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saw all the TV shows and films
about Jesus, right, and he's a

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lover of Jesus. But Jesus was
portrayed so ethereal and as God, but

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the man part was not so prevalent, and so it's hard to relate to

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how do you relate to somebody who's
perfect. Well, we can relate to

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that sense of humor, and we
can relate to people around him who are

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flawed and are just like us.
Yeah. The other thing, I think

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it was a challenge for most of
his Christians and looking at the way Jesus

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was depicted, even the quality or
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of the filming. I mean,
this whole project is absolutely first class.

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It honors odd it you know,
really inspires people of faith to going,

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you know, to agree that this
is the way. I mean, you

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know, you know, if the
secular world can have all these production values,

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why can't people of faith, Why
can't Christians be able to demonstrate the

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high quality of Hollywood. Yeah,
and that was one of Dallas's real goals,

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and I think what's been really gratifying
to him is that people who are

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not believers are saying, even if
you don't believe this stuff, this is

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a good story and it's well told. And of course we don't want to

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stop there. We want them to
be convinced. Well, I'm more likely

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to be convinced with good quality and
with relatable, believable characters than they would

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be if they just saw something and
went, well, it's a church basement

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video, you know. So it's
it's been great and I think Dallas and

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his co writers are really at the
forefront of doing that. Right. Yeah,

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I've always said that in the absence
of mess said you better have a

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lot of money. This has plenty
of message and it's powerful, and you

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know, the exponential benefits of the
quality of this program is clearly seen by

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the response of the people who loyally
follow the program. Yeah, it's become

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an international phenomenon. You know,
we rarely mentioned the TV series Baywatch in

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the same sentence as the Chosen,
but Baywatch is the leader in I think

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it's been translated into sixty languages and
even left behind. I mean, we're

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at thirty eight or forty different languages, but they watch is the most widely

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translated TV series in history, The
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six hundred languages. Six hundred.
Wow, Jerry, that's unbelievable, you

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know that many. That is huge. I mean, would you think that

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a series like this would literally fulfill
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message would go out to every ends
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that's very possible. And you know, when I was doing the Left Behind

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series with Doctor Lahay, we're looking
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the prophecies we were wondering, are
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everybody sees the two witnesses that are
preaching, they get assassinated and they get

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resurrected, and the whole world sees
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wondering, how is that possible.
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twenty first century with satellite television and
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the world all at the same time. And then you see the proliferation of

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the Chosen Words in every country of
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a billion times when Scripture talks about
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tongue in tribe. It's starting to
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happening for decades with other similar projects, but it's just exciting to be at

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the stage of history and to be
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you have the sense of the you
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immediacly, but certainly what's happened with
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rapid. You know, we often
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such as this, there seems to
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timing in terms of how this has
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the scene. Yeah, I think, you know, ironically, COVID really

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really contributed to the explosion of The
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they had nowhere to go, they
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new TV that you can binge watch
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to watch it, and then they
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COVID you know, hopefully is over
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still wanting to know what happens next. In the story, and so that

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has contributed to it. And of
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Everybody's even interested now in the left
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be being fulfilled. The scriptures tell
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side, and then you're to watch
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and the great army from the east. Well, you know, doctor Lay

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believed, and I agree that that
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your eyes on them. Now,
that doesn't mean we know the day or

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the hour that Jesus said he even
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us to try to pick a day
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something. And I think in God's
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day is as a thousand years,
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If he waits one more day in
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thousand of our years. The rapture
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all the prophecies have been fulfilled,
it could be today. Yeah, we

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need to be ready for today and
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right exactly. Well, and That's
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you know, preparation is key,
Being mindful is key, being aware.

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You know, I've often told Jerry
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when you consider God's prophetic clock,
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at that moment, and what has
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leading us to the final chapter of
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the signs are there there. You
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I mean even to the point that
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he was asked by a reporter,
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are the last days? He said, oh, no, these are the

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last to the last days. So
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things are moving quite rapidly, and
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more as we see what's happening.
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They're in the Middle East, and
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again the fulfillment of of of prophecy
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be under you know, under siege. They haven't gotten to that point yet

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where they're living without walls and are
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that you know, that's that's the
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supporting these people who attack and massacre
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craziness, but it's all that's also
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can see it. Well, we're
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when good would be called evil,
evil called good, you know, and

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that's exactly you know what's going on. We're living in that time and season.

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with our viewers and our listeners,
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fifth chapter. I believe it's the
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is trying to wake up the church
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grow up, because if you aren't
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difference between good and evil. And
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you've got young kids who are not
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responding the way infants would respond.
They don't know everything. But you've got

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to grow up. And I think
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immediacy for all of us to grow
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our time draws nigh, I believe. Yeah, And when they're interviewed and

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ask why they would support the opposition, they clearly have no idea what's going

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on? Right yeah, And it's
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leaders of universities, leaders in homes. You know, before we go and

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attack somebody else and critical of somebody
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a moment and take inventory of as
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us. What are we doing?
What kind of responsibility do we have in

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raising up the next generation? Right? Yeah? Yeah. I'm privileged to

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be on the board of the Colorado
Christian University and we're really taking a hardstand

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in support of Israel, praying for
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Sweeten's writing op ed pieces, you
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story of what's going on over there
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How are the kids responding, Jerry
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okay, there's boundaries here, or
I'm going to tell you about this as

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opposed to just allowing, you know, kids to run amock and say,

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well, you know, I've got
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I darn well please. Yeah,
it's been really gratifying to see how students

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respond. You know, Colorado Christian
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pro Israel, and the kids are
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activists for God. Well, this
is awesome because see, I think,

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you know, the mainstream media is
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we've been saying for quite a while
that what we're witnessing, or what I

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call bonfires of revival happening around the
world. Okay, I think sometimes we

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can become so American centric that we
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know, we hear about what's happening
in these underground churches, these home churches

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in China of all places, and
in Muslim nations. You know, what

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is the truth of God is going
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and you've written about this before,
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evil, there's also a rise of
righteousness, isn't there There is? And

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I've been My very first book,
fifty years ago, was about a young

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evangelist who's now not so young and
he's still preaching around the world, but

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he does it from his home in
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He has a room in his house
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of thousands, and just recently in
India, tens of thousands were listening to

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him here at his three o'clock in
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and he's preaching his heart out in
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live. They've had counselors there,
and people are coming to faith. It's

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just amazing. Well, Jerry,
the Chosen and I will give you rest

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a book the novel here. What
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this? Well, the whole point
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of these novels is we want people
to know and love Jesus more, and

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so we're trying to make him as
relatable as possible. We definitely don't want

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it to be a substitute for scripture, of a substitute for church, a

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substitute for fellowship with one another.
We want people back into the Bible,

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back to their churches, back together, and that's what we're seeing, we're

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seeing that happened, and we hear
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they've got this fresh new look at
scripture and they're they're eager to read their

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Bibles again. You know. You
and I talked, oh gosh, maybe

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about a half a year ago,
maybe a little bit longer, because I

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was trying to get in contact with
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of the Chosen needed to be or
or the opportunity was that the message of

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the Chosen could be, you know, mass marketed in a sense, even

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though in marketing terms some have said
mass marketing is dead. But I still

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believe that it's viable only because maybe
I'm honoring maybe because I've been in marketing,

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you know, most of my life. And the message I will give

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you rest was, you know,
one of the messages that I thought was

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important because of what I saw happening, is that people are restless, they're

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worn out. Jerry, and the
message that Jesus gave us, then that

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is it seems to be more appropriate
today because of the nature of the culture.

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I think the case the culture is
looking for rest. In fact,

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that there was a recent survey they
asked people if you had another hour a

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day, what would you do with
that hour? You know what The number

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one answer was sleep? Wow,
I could identify with that. And you

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know, the first two novels were
I have called you by name and come

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and see, and people responded to
that. Those are things that that people

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have said in scripture. But when
they get to that third one, it

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says, and I will give you
rest, people say it, boy,

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I could use that. Yeah,
exactly, That's what they're longing for.

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you know, as as a marketeer, and I don't know, it's just

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the way God's wired me. You
know, you talk about what's in Dallas's

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wheelhouse, and the way God has
wired me is that He's allowed me to

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look beyond the horizon to see where
where is that? Where's that energy?

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Where is that that wave? I
grew up on the West Coast and did

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a little surfing, so I would
watch and participate in surfing, and I

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knew that if you were you always
wanted to be in front of the wave,

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right where all the energy was behind
you, and you expended less energy

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and you enjoyed the ride. If
you were just alongside the wave, try

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as hard as you can. You
never got in front of it, and

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you'd wear yourself out. And if
you were behind the wave, then you

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were just an observer, you know, because it was all happening in front

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of you. And so my point
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culture and the way things are running, you know, around the world,

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whether we're talking about Israel, whether
we're talking about what's going on in China,

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you know, Russia, just anywhere
pick up place to Ukraine. There's

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this this movement that and this momentum
that's taking place, and the opportunity for

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people of faith is where can we
be in front of that? God says

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that he'll place you in that position. As I believe that he's done with

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the Chosen, He's placed the Chosen
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the Dallas and the team have to
chase after it. The momentum is there,

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it's more the people getting in front
of this momentum and being blessed by

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it. Right. Does that make
sense? Yeah? It does. And

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you know people often say, if
you want to want to be productive,

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find out where God is working and
get there exactly. And I feel like

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the chosen's on the front lines.
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In all your writing experience, have
you ever gotten to that point where you

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just just can't formulate an idea?
You know, some would identify this writer's

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block. You know, I teach
writers online. I've got about two thousand

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online writing students, and they ask
me that all the time. I tell

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them I think writer's block is a
myth, and of course they cry out

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because they're suffering from it. Right
now. I know the feelings some days

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of getting up and thinking the last
thing I want to do is put words

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on the page. But there's always
something to do. If you don't feel

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like writing. You can research,
and you can think, and you can

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outline in that type of thing.
But no other profession can claim this malady.

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It seems seems unique to writers.
You can't call your boss and say

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I can't come in today because I
have workers block. You'd be laughed out

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the phone or you'd be told never
to come in again. So I think

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if people just remind themselves this is
a conceit only for writers, and you

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know it's a job, So get
your seat in that chair and do your

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job. Yeah, how do you
go about writing a book? Wow,

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there's I know, that's a big
that's a big question. You mentioned you

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do this online, and you're trying
to be like, you know, because

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a lot of people say, you
know, I know, I have a

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book within me. I'm working on
three right now, and I just you

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know, it's like I go from
one to another. And I've had people

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say, Bill, you just need
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my thoughts don't focus on one,
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how do you go about writing a book?

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that you're talking about. If you're

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a creative. While you're writing,
you're thinking of other ideas too, and

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they all, you know, the
grass always looks greener on the other side

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of the fence. What I've trained
myself to do is while i'm writing,

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I get another idea. I want
to chase that rabbit, and something new

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always seems more exciting, and I
say, all right, I'm going to

409
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jot that down, put it in
a file. I'm going to finish what

410
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I'm doing now. And when I
have a list of ideas, like most

411
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creatives do, at some point you
need to just get away and prioritize those

412
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and say, get it down to
which one of these do I feel the

413
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most passionate about right now? Which
one will draw me back to the keyboard

414
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every day? And I'm going to
finish that before I get into any of

415
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the other ones. And you know, I don't want to sound falsely modest,

416
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but I really feel I'm mono gift
that I've only been given this one

417
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gift of writing. I don't sing
or dance or preach. I just write.

418
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And so I feel obligated to exercise
that gift. And and that's why

419
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I do it, and and I
when I'm doing it, and I'm focusing

420
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.680
on one until I finish. Otherwise
I'd never get anything done. I'd be

421
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starting ten projects at the same time. Exactly. I'm like you, it

422
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.640
seems like you discipline is still a
key, isn't it. It really is?

423
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And you know there are no shortcuts
to that. You have to cut

424
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out distractions. You have to set
yourself a deadline. I tell writers to

425
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learn their capacity. How many finished
pages can you do it in a day

426
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without feeling pressure or over overwhelmed.
Once you've decided on that, how long

427
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is your book going to be?
When do you want to have it done?

428
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And then put those number of pages
on your calendar. And also this

429
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:08.599
sounds counterintuitive, but schedule in procrastination
days because we all procrastinate every time when

430
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:14.440
you should be writing, and you
don't schedule them in there and accommodate them,

431
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.160
but keep that deadline sacred. That's
the difference because I learned as a

432
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.160
publisher. I used to run Moody
Press back in the day, okay,

433
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and I learned that about only one
in one hundred writers literally meet their deadline.

434
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.160
You know, some may miss it
by a few days, some by

435
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a few months, some by a
few years, but only one and one

436
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:37.759
hundred will literally make their deadline.
So if you just do that, you

437
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.319
separate yourself from the competition and you
can succeed. Kind of amazing. I'd

438
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.039
never heard that number before, but
thank you for sharing that. Do you

439
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:50.799
realize how much relief you just gave
to people who are thinking about writing books

440
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.279
going Well, you know, I'm
a couple of weeks behind or what's been

441
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.720
because you know, between the radio
show and the TV show here, Jerry,

442
00:32:55.759 --> 00:33:00.480
you know, I deal with a
lot of authors and sometimes they'll tell

443
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.440
me, Bill, I'm on deadline. I can't. I want to do

444
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.279
the show, but I can't.
I look at Yeah, fine, you

445
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.279
know I'm not offended. I you
know, I have a problem with rescheduling

446
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:13.880
because I know the project that's hand
is more you know, it is more

447
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important. And uh, and we'll
have that time, you know, by

448
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:19.880
the grace of God, you know, to get you back on the radio

449
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.599
show or the TV shows and where
we can catch up on it. So

450
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.440
uh, you know, so I
appreciate what you're sharing with us because and

451
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:30.279
even to that point that you allow
for some time, you know, just

452
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.759
fun time. You call it procrastination
time, just some time, because I

453
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.960
think that we need islands of refreshment
in the midst of a project, don't

454
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:42.559
we. Yeah, And I've learned. I used to agonize over a procrastination

455
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.880
because I was the king of it. I mean, I sharpened pencils that

456
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:52.160
I haven't used since fourth grade before
I'm doing something here, I'm sharpening benel

457
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.680
to get off my back iding up
the office, and you know, things

458
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.839
like that. And uh, I
used to agonize over saying, you know,

459
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:00.440
I'm never going to get this done. And then I realized, when

460
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.680
I do get back to the keyboard
and keep that deadline sacred, my subconscious

461
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.039
has been working on the book during
those procrastination days, and so I think

462
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:13.880
they're part of the process, and
just let it happen. Let your subpincho

463
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:15.679
just work on it. You'd be
surprised what comes out when you get back

464
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.679
to the keyboard. How often in
the middle of the night do you wake

465
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.679
up with an idea and you've got
your your memo pad next to your bed

466
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.800
and you're jotting down ideas. That
that does happen occasionally, And I've learned

467
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.480
to keep the keep the pad there
because so often I'll, you know,

468
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.039
I come up with an idea and
in the morning I can't remember it.

469
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.280
And there's there's a funny story that
we tell writers, and I don't know

470
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:44.000
if it's apocryphal or not, but
the story is that the guy kept having

471
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.800
dreams of great ideas and then he'd
wake up and couldn't remember him and so

472
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.280
somebody told him, you know,
write it down, write it down.

473
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.079
So he put the pad there.
He had this great dream, he woke

474
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.920
up, he wrote it down.
He wakes up in the morning he was

475
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.800
I had a great idea. I
can't remember what it was, but I

476
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.760
wrote it down. He goes to
his pad and he looks down and it

477
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:10.920
says, write it down. Well, yeah, it's It's all the process,

478
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:16.519
isn't it, Jerry. We learned. We learned by experience and what

479
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:22.480
a great story. What was that
like you working on the Left Behind series

480
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.719
with doctor Lahay, Well, it
was really a great privilege. And you

481
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.480
know, I'm not a theologian or
a scholar. That that was his role

482
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.840
and he was. He would keep
me on track theologically. I had the

483
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.400
fun part. I got to write
every word and make up the stories and

484
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.559
that type of thing. But I
would say, if I have a character

485
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.840
do this or that, will that
violate the prophecy or the scripture? And

486
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.599
he would coach me and tell me. And he was a great cheerleader too.

487
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:51.159
I would send him, you know, twenty pages at a time or

488
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.079
sixty pages at a time, and
he would always read him immediately and get

489
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.000
back to me and say, send
me more. I want to find out

490
00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:00.239
what happens to myself. So to
have somebody like that in your core and

491
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.000
also praying for you every day when
you because when you're on the front lines,

492
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.519
you face that that persecution. You
know, you get that oppression from

493
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.559
from the enemy. They don't like
when you're when you're doing something productive.

494
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.119
And the Doctor Leah was a great
prayer warrior too, so it was it

495
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.559
was great. It's hard to believe
he's been gone seven years already. I

496
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.360
know it's our Yeah exactly, wow, special guy, but what what what

497
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:27.760
a gift? What what a gift
to our faith and his legacy that he's

498
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.199
left behind and in fact that that
you got to know him so well and

499
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.320
you get to share with our audience. Uh, you know what what a

500
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:39.480
what a special man of God that
uh Doctor LaHaye was Uh, this is

501
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.920
incredible. You know you mentioned something
that's important here and for people to realize.

502
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.639
And I know that, Uh this
comes up from time to time when

503
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.840
there are meetings and and people,
you know, talking about the Chosen,

504
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.000
is that the topic comes up that
we need to pray for Dallas and the

505
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.840
team, uh, for all the
artists that are involved in this series,

506
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.800
because you know, the Chosen is
something that is quite an offense to the

507
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.840
demonic, isn't it. It's true
and you know, obviously an anytime something

508
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.639
successful, it gets critics and that
can weigh on a person. Dallas has

509
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.599
a pretty good good attitude about that. I was a little more thin skinned

510
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.639
when we would get criticism for Left
Behind. I could take it. But

511
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.760
I didn't like people criticizing doctor Lay
because I knew, you know, what

512
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.920
a generous guy he was and what
a man of God he was. I

513
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.320
mean, so often we'd be at
signings and all of a sudden he'd disappear

514
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.719
from next to me, and I'd
look up and he'd be in the corner

515
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.400
praying with somebody. And then you
get letters from critics saying that you know,

516
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.119
he's only doing it for the money
or some crazy thing like that.

517
00:37:43.639 --> 00:37:46.079
But with Dallas, when he gets
criticism for the Chosen, he just says,

518
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:51.119
Dad, you know, I don't
mind the criticism and it doesn't bother

519
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.159
me. I just let it roll
off my back. I put it on

520
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:58.360
Facebook and then all the people that
support us will will take on the critic

521
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.599
for me. And he said,
I can't please everybody. I just need

522
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:05.760
to stick to what we're doing and
stay at the task. So so that's

523
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.639
great, But do pray for Dallas. He's his family has been attached a

524
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.840
little bit he's got one daughter who's
had some severe physical issues, and she's

525
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.960
our precious granddaughter and so and we
know that's just that's all part of the

526
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:24.679
enemies attack to distract Dallas and to
get away of the project too. Well,

527
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.000
and when these attacks come on,
I mean, even the critics,

528
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.639
it's, uh, it's like good
on them. At least they're paying attention,

529
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.880
you know, right, yeah,
exactly. You know, any any

530
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.760
kind of attention is good attention for
a project like this, Yeah, because

531
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.960
the worst thing you want to do
is to be you know, I think

532
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.559
the worst thing it happened to you
is that you become irrelevant and people ignore

533
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.760
you, right, yeah, In
fact, I get that when you know,

534
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:52.679
I don't get recognized as much as
I used to, you know,

535
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.760
like Dallas does. He can hardly
go anywhere anymore. But people recognize me.

536
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.760
They'll they'll apologize and they'll say,
I hope you don't mind if I

537
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.559
ask for a picture or an autograph
or something. I say, I'm not

538
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:09.320
offended and I'm not annoyed at all. It'll bother me when people stop asking

539
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:15.880
for that. Well, part of
Dallas's challenges he's so darn tall. I

540
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.079
mean, he can't it can't enter
a room without you know, people noticing

541
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.960
him. Right. Yeah, he's
kind of a force of nature. He's

542
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.320
six or four in about two twenty
eight, in great shape, and he's

543
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.320
articulate, and so you know,
people know who he is now and that's

544
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:35.199
just part of the part of the
process. Well, in a novel three

545
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:40.719
that chosen and I will give you
rest you go through the entire third series.

546
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.760
What is your favorite part of this, Jerry? I think, like

547
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:53.519
most people, the climax of this
is when when Simon Peter is trying to

548
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:59.639
walk on water, he takes his
eyes off Jesus. And during that whole

549
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.320
scene, he's questioning, Jesus,
you know, why are you healing other

550
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:08.719
people? And that and you let
our unborn baby die, and he's he's

551
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:15.719
been at enmity really with Jesus,
and Jesus is telling him that it's it's

552
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.519
for his good and he'll grow through
this. And and when he starts to

553
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:25.039
sink and cries out and Jesus saves
him, he pleads with him, don't

554
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.960
let me go. I can identify
with that, and I think any reader

555
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.039
can identify with that. We know
in our flesh we're weak, we're finite,

556
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.840
and we don't want Jesus to let
us go. That's that's the theme

557
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.400
of this book. Well, and
that's also you know where faith comes in

558
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:50.039
is that we have it's a bit
of a paradox because we're seeing with eyes

559
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.679
of faith, you know, by
the Holy Spirit and by God's grace,

560
00:40:54.199 --> 00:41:00.239
but yet we're living in this world. Yeah, I mean, I got

561
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:08.559
to imagine, Jerry, that Jesus's
appreciation for God's creation grew so exponentially that

562
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:15.400
he must have just you know,
if this is even imaginable, you know

563
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.159
what kind of conversation he must have
with the Father, you know, because

564
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.440
he's he's kind of like, you
know, he's gone into God's creation,

565
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:30.800
seeing a fallen world experienced it was
sacrificed and crucified on the cross, you

566
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.079
know, for for our freedom,
you know, from death and from sin.

567
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.760
And what stories he must relate back
to the Father. And he did

568
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:45.039
this, I mean, when whenever
anybody wonders about the love of God through

569
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.679
Christ, he did this while we
were yet dead in our sins. Exactly,

570
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.480
we were worthless, and he loved
us anyway in spite of ourselves.

571
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.719
And and I guess maybe in some
sense, Jerry, we get a little.

572
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.960
So that is that even as unworthy
and as bad as it may seem

573
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.599
that we are, you know,
God's spirit and his love still draws us

574
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:16.039
home where we know that we can
finally, finally have rest right. And

575
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.039
that's you know, that's the beauty
of grace I think. I mean,

576
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:25.559
it's unfathomable, it's really truly undeserved. And when we know that, you

577
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.760
know, and sometimes critics on the
outside they say, you know, what

578
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:30.320
kind of faith is that? You
all think you're a bunch of dirty,

579
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.519
rotten sinners worth nothing and only God
can save you. And I say,

580
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:43.159
that's exactly right. That's where that's
how I feel. We've got about about

581
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.760
seven eight minutes left here, Jerry, and if we can for just a

582
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:51.239
moment, it was noted here that
you've been a Christian most of your life.

583
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.000
I mean, kind of amazing that
you would make a profession of faith

584
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:59.079
at an early age. And you've
got your mother to blame for that,

585
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:05.159
right I do. Yeah, I
love telling that story. There's interesting,

586
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:09.559
some interesting aspects to it. I'm
the third of four boys, and the

587
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:13.039
first three of us were born within
a year of each other. So we

588
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.400
were almost like triplets. But my
father and my two older brothers were at

589
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.360
a father and something at church,
and I was too young to go for

590
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.920
kids that were six years old.
So I'm home with my mother and I'm

591
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.840
riding the back of the couch like
a horse, you know. And she

592
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.000
says, that really speaks more to
the state of the furniture than her parent

593
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:36.760
had. But they put me an
eye level with that famous Warner Salomon painting

594
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:39.760
of Jesus knocking at the door,
and it was just a print. We

595
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:45.760
were not a wealthy family. And
I was asking my mother about that story,

596
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:47.599
and I said, I, what
story is that from the Bible,

597
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.800
because I'd been to church, you
know, all my life, all six

598
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.280
years, right, And she said, well, that's not a story from

599
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:59.880
the Bible, but that's symbolic.
That door is the door of your heart.

600
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.280
And Jesus's knocking. He's not going
to open the door. You have

601
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:07.400
to open it to him. And
she led me a revelation three twenty behold

602
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.440
I stayed at the door and knock
him, and here's my voice and answers

603
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.760
the door. I'll come in to
him and eat with him, and he

604
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:21.400
with me and so she led me
to faith that night, and fifteen years

605
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.039
later, I meet the woman who's
now been my wife for fifty two years

606
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.360
and tell her my story. We
share our Salvation stories, and she said,

607
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.920
well, that's interesting that it's a
Warner Solomon painting, because my grandfather

608
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.039
was also an artist, and he
knew Warner Solomon building with him, went

609
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.119
to the same church with him,
and even consulted with him on his famous

610
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.559
Head of Christ. That's the one
that's in every church and every home's fans

611
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and funeral parlors and things like that. It's the most reproduced painting in history.

612
00:44:55.039 --> 00:45:00.880
It's a half I think it's been
reproduced a billion times. And so

613
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:06.599
one day, you know, we're
telling this story in this connection with my

614
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:12.800
wife. One of our shirt sleeve
relatives sees a story on PBS television about

615
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.840
a guy in Chicago who's down on
his luck and he's so he's shopping at

616
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a Salvation Army thrift store and he
comes across these two pictures of Christ and

617
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.719
Christ by Warre Solomon, and they're
on sale for like one hundred and twenty

618
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:30.480
dollars apiece, and he talks them
down to one hundred each hits him,

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and then somebody says, those look
like originals. You should check those out.

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So he takes them to a curator
at a college in Chicago, and

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the curator tells him, yeah,
those are originals, and the oil is

622
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worth one hundred thousand dollars and the
chalk is worth thirty thousand dollars. And

623
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so he's trying to sell these,
but he's getting offers from museums and foundations,

624
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.320
but he wants them to go with
somebody who you know, would really

625
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.840
really be special job. So I
hear about this. So I called the

626
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.719
guy. I said, if you
sold those paintings, He said no,

627
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And so he tells me his story. Turns out he's a photographer who worked

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00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:13.000
at a newspaper that I worked at
when I was a teenager. He's younger

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than I and he came along later
and his mother gave him a Warner Solomon

630
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.320
Head of Christ when he was six
years old. He was a raised Catholic.

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Oh my gosh, we've got all
these connections and uh. And I

632
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:29.360
made him an offer on these paintings
and you know, about half maybe what

633
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.519
they're worth, and he said,
no, I need, I'd need totally

634
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.639
what they're worth you know, I've
got offers that you know that much.

635
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.199
I just want to make sure they
go someplace special. And so I talked

636
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.679
to my wife, I talked to
my CPA, and they said, this

637
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.880
is destiny, you know, yes, and so so I I have those

638
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.960
paintings now in my home. How
cool is that? It's it's you know,

639
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.719
we we hang them in our TV
room. It really affects what you

640
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.280
watch on TV when you've got Jesus
on the wall, I bet. But

641
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:59.800
they're special, and they're they're they're
huge. They are three by three foot

642
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.679
by four foot paintings, you know, and you know, you know I'm

643
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:07.199
going to beg you to take a
picture and send me a copy of those

644
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.800
I'll do that. Yeah, would
you do that for me? Sure?

645
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:13.440
I mean that that would bless me
richly. I mean, what a great

646
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.960
story, Jerry, that you would
have this. I mean, you know,

647
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.000
even here you are negotiating with him, and he says you wanted to,

648
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.760
you know, make sure that they
ended up with somebody special. I'm

649
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:27.519
surprised you didn't put the special clothes
on him, like, you know,

650
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:31.559
hey, I am special. Well, I knew what he meant that he

651
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.239
wanted to I know somebody that would
really treasure them, and we do.

652
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.280
They're they're going to be special in
our family forever. What What an awesome

653
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:44.280
story. And of course you mentioned
that you know you've been writing, you

654
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.800
know, in your youth. I
guess you started writing when you were fourteen?

655
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.840
Right? Yeah? Yeah, I
talked my way into a sports writing

656
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.639
job before I was old enough to
drive and my mother had a drive.

657
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.039
Say, you knew how to be
special, you knew how to put the

658
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:01.280
clothes you did at fourteen? Yeah, exactly, So I can say that.

659
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.920
I mean I was making ten or
twelve dollars per article back in that

660
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.039
day, which is pretty nice for
a kid fourteen years old. But oh

661
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.239
yeah, but that means I've been
a professional writer for sixty years. Wow.

662
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.440
Well, congratulations. You're a total
blessing, Jerry Jenkins, and you

663
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:24.199
continue to bless us and of course
through your legacy just with you know,

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with Dallas alone and your family.
We cannot thank you enough. As we

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00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.880
wrap things up, I'm going to
let you summarize again the novel three The

666
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.400
Chosen, and I will give you
rest and how people can get their hands

667
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:44.639
on it and look forward to season
four, which is coming up in first

668
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:49.840
quarter of twenty twenty four. Yeah, this is available anywhere books are sold.

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00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:57.039
And basically this story is the story
of the challenge that Simon Peter and

670
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:01.199
his wife have with losing the child, but all kinds of other ancillary stories

671
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.800
from the people that were chosen to
walk around Jesus and uh. And then

672
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.239
season four is coming out in theaters
in February, and that will be out

673
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:14.440
next year as well. But always
great to be with you, Roger,

674
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.199
Thanks so much for having me on. Yeah you called me Roger, It's

675
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.360
Bill. I know you meant,
but I'm sorry. Not not a problem

676
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.400
in a way. Did they do
that before too? I was just youmb

677
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:29.039
with a guy named Roger. But
and your name is even on the screen,

678
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.480
Bill, So sorry, it's not
really not a problem. I'm not

679
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.639
I'm not offended. I just so
enjoyed our time together. But I wanted

680
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to make sure because I didn't want
our audience to think that maybe Bill Martinez

681
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:43.480
had changed his name in the middle
of the conversation with Jerry Jerry, and

682
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:47.519
and again with the rollout of this
in theaters. Uh. Initially, this

683
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.280
is a little bit different than than
previous right, it is. They're going

684
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:57.760
to roll out those uh, I
think all eight episodes from from season four

685
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:00.800
in theaters and then and then it'll
go on the app and be live,

686
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.920
be free for everyone at that point. So it's gonna be just a one

687
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.440
big, humongous binge watch event then, huh, I think so. I'm

688
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:14.599
not sure how they're gonna gonna space
those out. It might be two a

689
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.159
week for four weeks or something like
that. Right, well, Jerry Jenkins

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00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.119
again, Cannoth, thank you enough, be blessed. Thank you for being

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00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.760
with us, appreciate the time.
Thank you Bill. He is the author

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of The Chosen and I will give
you rest This is the third installment of

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the series, and of course we
can look forward to next year being in

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00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.920
touch with Jerry again and we'll be
talking about the fourth installment. But right

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now, this is number number three, Jerry Jenkins, The Chosen and I

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will give you rest our. Thanks
to Jerry Jenkins for being on the show,

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00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.239
and thank you for sharing a part
of your time with us to be

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a part of this movement to return
to God. I'll encourage you to check

699
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.440
out Bill Martinez show dot com for
all the information. Thank you again.

700
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For being with us. May God
bless you and keep you, maybe make

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00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.440
his face shine upon you, and
be gracious unto you and give you peace.

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Thank you for being with us.
Take care, God bless