Does American Really Know The Trouble It Is In? Beyond The Tipping Point?

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W FOURCY Radio. Well, welcome
to Bill Martinez Live. Great to have

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you with us. I thought this
would be a good time for us to

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get the inside skinny from somebody who's
been there, bought the T shirt has

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warned the one and only former Colorado
congressmen and businessman Bob ou Pray is going

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to be joining us to present an
inside look at all things Washington, d

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C. From the House Speaker,
New challenges, support for Israel, Ukraine,

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possibly even Taiwan. Meanwhile, the
pain of Biden nomics, inflation,

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cost of living continues to pulverize the
middle class, and what about that border

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wall. Anyway, the administration can
no longer run from the truth of an

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open border and its consequences for all
Americans. If nothing else, it's distracted

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us from talking about the Biden brand, corruption and the ongoing weaponization of our

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Justice Department. Bob bu Pray,
welcome to the show. Good to have

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you with us, sir. Good
to be with you, my friend always

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is good to talk to. Bill. Well, you're very kind. I've

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been looking forward to this because you
know, with all that's going on,

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Bob, as you know, not
only here in the United States but around

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the world, and we'll get into
that in just a moment, but particularly

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here on all things Beltway, it
is a mess right now. You know,

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we've got a problem in Congress where
you served, and you know this

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situation with Kevin McCarthy no longer the
speaker, and that looks like Jim Jordan

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might be the favorite son. What
do you say, Well, I'd be

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fine with Jim Jordan. I was
fine with Kevin McCarthy, frankly. And

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so it was ninety six percent of
the Republican exactly. I mean, I

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guess what irony of all right ironies? Bill, You know that that eight

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recalcitrants they accused McCarthy of the great
sin of collaborating with Democrats to finally keep

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the government open. Okay, I
get the criticism, but who did they

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collaborate with, to Rol McCarthy exactly. That was every single Democrat exactly,

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a Republicans. So so you know
whose sin is the bigger. I would

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have been fine with Steve Scalice.
I would have been fine. I'd be

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fine with Jim Jordan, But I
don't know that he can get it done

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either. I guess we'll know maybe
in the coming hours, coming days.

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But you know, check check the
definition of of dysfunctionality, right, there's

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probably g O P right behind it. Uh. It's it's a very sad

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situation. We can joke about it. We can laugh about it. We

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can we can, we can chat
about it. But the reality is this

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is hurtful to the country obviously at
a time when we need all hands on

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deck and being able to roll in
the same direction. Uh. And and

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it's it's I'm afraid it's it's got
to hurt us as we go into another

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election season, no question, no
question whatsoever. Yeah, the old,

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the old saw you win elections by
addition, not by subtraction. You know,

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this this circus that we've seen too
often within their own, our own

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family. How how many of those
undecided voters that we're going to need to

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win the close ones. The next
presidential will probably be a close one,

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and so a whole lot of of
a legislative congressional House as well as Senate

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campaigns, they'll be close too.
In order to win those closemens, you've

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got to attract the unaffiliated voter.
I don't see that we're doing much to

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track them to our side right now. We better change our ways. Well,

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I'll tell you the Democrats are doing
an end zone dance, you know,

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because this is self inflicted. What
the Republican Party did, they could

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learn something, you know from Israel. You know, at a time of

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war, Israel decided they were going
to unify the government, put all things

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aside, and realize you need to
focus on that which is most important.

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You set all hands on deck.
And I understand that is that the party

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itself at a time when this country
is unraveling and being pulled in different directions.

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As I mentioned earlier, from the
Biden brand, corruption, the weaponization

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of the Justice Department and every other
three letter agency in our government right now,

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you know, in a sense,
as you mentioned, thank god for

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Kevin McCarthy, because if he hadn't
worked out that deal with the Democrats in

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order to keep the government running,
what would we look like right now in

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the midst of what Israel is going
through, of course, the ongoing saga

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of Ukraine and now you know,
the right for the pickings Taiwan. Yeah,

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you mentioned Israel, you putting together
a unified government and they did that

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within hours. Yes, I mean
they just stepped up and did it on

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behalf of their nation, right.
You know, if we want to stay

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on the subject of the funding the
government deal that McCarthy cut, some people

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I think missed the fact that what
was there two or three other options that

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were brought to the floor, all
rejected by the by the rebels, and

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they actually contained real substantial cuts.
They actually contained support for a secure border,

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some policy reformation, the stuff they've
been asking for. But when I

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was there, and this wasn't unique
to when I was there, we hear

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it all the time. You got
to be careful not to let the perfect

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be the enemy of the good exactly. And you've got two hundred and twenty

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one or whatever the number is Republicans
every one of them thinks that they're the

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god of perfection, and so they've
all got their own definition and got to

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beat the march of their own drum. We love that independence. But at

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some point, you know, you
introduced me by saying I've got the team

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jersey. Yeah, at some point
you got to look down and realize what

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color are you wearing? Oh yeah, and ours is the majority color?

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Exactly, act like a majority can
govern. Yeah, you can have these

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conflicts back in the room somewhere where's
you know, where you need to work

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those things out, But when you
come out, you come out, you

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know, united, And this is
a thing you can hand to the Democrats.

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I mean, they may be all
wrong, but they're all wrong one

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hundred percent. You know, there's
no deviation all in. When when I

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was there, Bill just to this
is probably obvious to you, maybe to

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your your viewers as well, But
when I was there, you'd have those

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family squabbles about leadership. That's only
normal. They have a couple of candidates

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for speaker, you might have a
couple of three candidates for majority leader and

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whip so forth. Now that's normal. But almost every time, in fact,

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every time I can remember when when
the votes were counted and somebody obviously

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comes out with a majority, somebody
would next stand up, almost immediately stand

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up, and often it was the
defeated of oponent of the victor would stand

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up and say, I move,
we cast a unanimous vote exacty just won

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the election. And everybody walks out
of the room with the telling the press

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and telling the whole world we're united
behind one one leader. Right now.

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I mean, for the sake of
eight people, we lost, we lost

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the Speaker's chair, and I hope
we don't lose it permanently come next November.

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Again. It's it's just an absolute
travesty. Well, it really is.

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And as you suggested earlier, Bob
on behalf of the American people.

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Who's going to help the American people
with the problems we've got right now.

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These democratic policies are are quite clear, and all the Blue states, it's

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consistent miserableness that has overcome these Blue
states that have followed these democratic policies.

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Joe Biden has exacerbated the issue of
inflation by killing Cole you know, and

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it's like it's clear that that was
one of the greatest contributors to inflation,

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and he doesn't want to do anything
about it anymore than he wanted to do

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anything about the border. You know, he reluctantly said, Okay, we're

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gonna build, We're gonna well,
we'll build that fence thing, you know,

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And it just galls him because all
these things that Donald Trump did during

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the four years, in spite of
all the resistance and hassle that he got

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from you know, Democrats and Nancy
Pelosi and everything, look what he was

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able to do. And once again
the media has to reluctantly admit that Donald

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Trump was right. Well, energy
independence was achieved on his watch. Yes,

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and I mean that not so very
long ago. Yeah, myself included,

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most of us thought that that was
kind of a fantasy that you know,

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really you think we can become energy
independent. What we did in fact,

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we began to export. Yeah,
and let me robt me. Let

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me ask you this, for all
the environmentalists, we became energy independent,

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that have the country float off into
the ocean, and you know, go

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by the way of what all the
threats at Al Gore and others had talked

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about. You know, for the
life of me, Bill, I don't

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I can't explain it. I can't
reconcile where we're at in my own head.

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We're in a pretty good energy producing
state ourselves, right between Colorado Wyoming.

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Out here in the Mountain West.
We produced not only a lot of

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oil, but an enormous amount of
natural gas. We've got a lot of

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coal reserves as well. And even
here, you know, I'm now sadly

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in a blue state in Colorado,
and there's an article I just read this

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morning pointing out how our governor Jared
Polos is trying to electrify the state.

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He's an anti fracker, anti oil
and gas guy, very pro wind and

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solar. Okay, fine, but
why do you kill the goose that laid

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the golden egg? Exactly, Economies, it's pretty fundamental. An economy,

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especially one like the United States of
America, not only survives but expands on

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access to affordable, sustainable supplies of
energy. Exactly, And even even the

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most pro renewable energy advocates will tell
you, if they're being honest, We'll

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tell you, for the foreseeable future, the vast majority, seventy seventy five

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eighty percent of our energy needs are
going to be met by fossil fuels.

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Exactly like what Biden, what Biden
is doing in polls, Governor Governor Pole

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is doing. They are the feeding, stoking, the primary source of this

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inflationary crisis that's absolutely killing every American
family that's trying to survive, particularly the

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middle class. Bob, as you
know, I mean, the middle class

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was pulverized under Obama Biden, and
Biden has just picked up a baton and

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he is just beating the heads of
the middle class and as long. I

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mean, it's amazing to me that
finally the middle class is waking up and

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realizing, you know, what's going
on. It's like, you know,

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the blindfold has been taken off,
and they thought the people that were helping

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him were the exact you know,
people that were doing all the damage and

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compromising, and you know, here
it is. You know, oh,

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you got a little bit of a
bump, a little bit of a raise,

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but that went vapored pretty quick once
we started realizing the cost of living

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and inflation and the effects it started
having. Honest real quick. We're talking

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with Bob Bupray, the former Colorado
congressman and businessman, about all things that

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matter to you, not only in
the Beltway, but you know, on

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Main Street America, right, Bob, Yeah, stay on energy for just

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a little while. You're you're absolutely
right about Main Street America. Almost everything

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we touch, whatever, everything we
try to purchase. Everything we need to

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take care of our way of life, from keeping our house warm cool in

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the summer, feeding our kids,
sending our kids to school, transportation back

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and forth to work. Everything depends
on energy. And I'm sure people's memories

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most people were probably better with their
memory than I am. Of the older

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I get, but it wasn't very
long ago, Bill, that when I

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filled up my pickup with gas,
it cost about half of what it does

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today exactly. I mean, that's
real money. And then that then that

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that doubling in the cost of energy
is embedded. You know, at our

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ranch, our fuel costs went up, so our cost of product producing the

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hay to feed our buffalo just just
doubled eight into the what little margin we

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had to co profit. People are
feeling that for what's Biden done about it?

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He just canceled a bunch of leases
on federal land. Again. I

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mean, we've got enormous resources,
and I think it bears saying, Bill,

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nobody in the world produces fossil fuel, energy, cleaner, safer,

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more affordably than the United States of
America exactly, and they want to put

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us out of business. Yeah.
Well, you know, this is the

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thing that's so frustrating because that is
so obvious, you know, people to

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people that know. But the problem
that we have here in America, Bob,

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is that people have allowed themselves to
be dumb down. They've been told

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what to believe by the mainstream media
by a president Joe Biden, who's flat

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out lying to us telling us that
the green energy, you know, theology

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is the way to go. And
look what we've done. I mean,

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over the last decade or so,
we've spent something like six trillion dollars and

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what have we got to show for
it? Are we anywhere closer to realizing

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a full electrical system? I think
maybe full if if you spell it,

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oh, well, then yes,
I think we're probably closer to realizing that

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kind of full realization. But not
the fool that you would think. And

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what you mentioned earlier is that there's
no really transition to be able to say,

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hey, look at there's light at
the end of the tunnel here.

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If we just get over this hump
within a year or two, then maybe

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we could realize some definitive benefit.
But this is a pipe dream. This

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is like don Quixote chasing windmills as
far as I see, Yeah, you're

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spot on, Bill, the whole
energy situation I mentioned. I just read

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an artic little bit my home state
of Colorado and what it's done here.

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If you can imagine Colorado, a
state that has had an enormous amount of

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immigration for a long time. People
love to live here because our climates agreed.

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They can't afford to live here now. And you know why. It's

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because of these leftist policies what they
have done, especially regarding energy, in

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trying to electrify our whole state.
People can't afford to even rent, much

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less buy it buy a home.
Our kids they graduate from college, they've

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got to leave. They've got to
leave their home state and their home city

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because they can't afford to buy a
home or even rent a home. It's

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really sad, and you know,
elections have consequences. We've elected some leaders

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that we shouldn't have. You talked
about pipe dreams. That's what they've been

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selling, and too many people have
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like nirvana. I'm sure if they
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Well, we've seen the evidence.
It's not nirvana, and America deserves

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better. Hopefully we wake up,
well, they need to wake They need

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to wake up, Bob, because
we are beyond that tipping point. And

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what happens when you're beyond the tipping
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rapidity. Look at what's happened just
in the last couple of years, Bob,

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And this is what I see is
that fulcrum has gone and we're on

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the downside, heading fast unless we
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pull the brakes on this deal.
Because Joe Biden and the Marxist Democrats

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have got a stronghold on our government. They have opened up the treasury,

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They've exacerbated the issues of inflation,
and I think probably kind of like in

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the years of Obama, you know, you'll finally get the economic experts to

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go, well, you know,
Bill, if the truth be known,

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we're actually in recession for the last
six months. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I know exactly what you
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was a businessman, and that kind
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of that was running a bank for
a dozen or so years, and we

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happened to be in a pretty good
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were good, business activity was great, so it was a good time to

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be in banking. But I always
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that were kind of making the policy
and implementing. I said, you know,

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the uphill side of a growing economy. The uphill side is kind of

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nice to ride, but that downhill
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just talked about that, and you're
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Nobody seems to want to talk,
frankly, hardly anybody on either side of

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the aisle, Republican or Democrat,
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budget and most and too many statements
that are in trouble. I mean in

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my own state again, and we're
not unique in this. I think we're

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like a lot of states. Got
to pretend that the pension plans, Oh

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you brought that up. Yes,
the promises that our state government has made

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in addition to the federal government.
But our state government to stay there for

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a minute. They keep them off
balance sheet like they don't exist. And

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we're talking about tens of billions of
dollars, and of course at the federal

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level it's trillion. Put a tea
on it. Those chickens are going to

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come home to roost at some point. Bill and right now with rising interest

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rates, you know, the old
banker in me, I understand the impact

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of that. When you're pushing the
amount of debt thirty three trillion or so

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and refinancing a lot of that on
a regular basis and interest rates go up

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two or three or four percent as
they have done to finance that debt.

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Who ends up paying it? We
do, Oh yeah, the taxpayers.

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So interest on our debt is chewing
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budget year after year. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid are all predicted.

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And this is simple arithmetic. It's
not some rocket science stuff. This is

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simple arithmetic. They're all predicted to
go or projected to be insolvent within a

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decade plus or minus. And nobody
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a handful of people, much less
a majority of Congress, to deal with

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the obvious challenges in front of them. Well, here we are. I

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mean, our interest rate just on
that debt, a thirty three trillion dollars

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is approximating what we pay for a
military. Bob, Yeah, I think

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about that. Yes, Oh,
you're absolutely correct. And in year after

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year, we've been whittling down what
we're doing with our military, how we're

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supporting our military. We're having troubled
meeting recruiting levels. We're reducing our ammunition,

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we're reducing our fleet, we're reducing
our aircraft, much of which is

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horribly aged and in need of significant
upgrade. And yet every year it seems

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like we spend less of our GDP
on our military. We're down about three

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percent now built. And before this
day is over, I hope we certainly

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hope it doesn't happen, but we're
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in the Middle East and in Ukraine. And I you know, I hope

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I'm wrong, but I got to
believe the Shi Jingping is probably looking at

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Taiwan and maybe drooling a little bit
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Yeah, look at the aggressive of
moves he's been doing in the South China

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s Sea. He keeps, you
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to kind of hope that maybe there
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him an excuse and give him some
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always do. They find a way
to flip the script, just like Amasses

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flipping the script. I mean they
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decapitate children, burn them alive,
rape the women, and you know,

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kill two hundred and sixty festival goers
and Holocaust victims and that, and

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somehow we're supposed to believe that Hamas
are the victims here. But that's what

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they do all the time. This
is the I struggle to find words to

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describe what happened. We could go
in Israel ten days almost now ago.

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Barbara doesn't do it. Rule isn't
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say, Midi Eevil, I don't
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medieval days. I mean they've specifically
it's quite one thing, and I can't

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I'm not forgiving it by any stretch. But typically Hamas would fire rockets at

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something that they could at least pretend
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of of of military significance to Israel
in this one, that they specifically targeted

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teenagers, women, grandmothers, and
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and pray and fully expect that there's
some that I guess we would characterize as

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innocent civilians, but the ones we've
seen, and way too many of what

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we have seen, and Sevil into
filming these mutilations, these atrocities and celebrating

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them, so you know whose side
are they on? And exactly remember an

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American president after nine to eleven here
said pretty correctly, I think quite correctly.

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Look, you got to decide either
you're with us or you're with the

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terrorists. That's with the terrorists.
We're coming after you. That's the only

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way to root this out. And
well, this is a problem with evil.

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It is so shocking, Bob.
People you know, everyday, reasonable

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people just seem to ignore and just
not quite have a capacity to understand evil.

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But I can say this that those
idea of soldiers, for example,

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who the general said that they were
purposely taking them through these areas. They

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wanted the soldiers to see the devastation
to see it firsthand for themselves so that

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it would clarify the narrative, because
there is that counter narrative out there,

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a lot of misinformation, disinformation.
Last weekend, I was looking at it

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just a documentary and all the disinformation
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and Iran and other Marxists out there, even people within our own country,

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and there they were using footage that
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what happened on that Saturday. And
so this is what happens with social media.

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It does open things up, but
you have to make sure that you

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know. As we say on the
show all the time, Bob, you

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got to own your own knowledge.
Don't take our word for it. Hopefully

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we spur you on and motivates you
say, hey, I'm going to check

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that out, so that you know
that you know that you know. And

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these idea of soldiers after going through
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Bob, I don't know how you
unsee that they will live with the site

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of that kind of human devastation till
the day they die. Yeah, and

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for leaders and it's it's happened with
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Israel for restraints for a cease fire. I mean, think think back to

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we felt on nine to twelve,
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have said, oh, well,
you know, bad things happen to good

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people, and let's let's let's just
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behave and go to their respective corner, of course we wouldn't have done that.

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And and what happened in Israel,
you know, they just again doing

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a simple arithmetic, this would have
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the carnage from our nine to eleven
the population comparison allowing there this was and

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again the brutality just unbelievable. So
so yeah, Hamas has got to come

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in. And this should not be
It shouldn't come as a surprise. Bill

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when when I was in Congress twenty
years ago. Now, as as much

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as al Qaeda was obviously on all
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exactly, our intelligence officials already then
said, the real bad guys, the

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worst of the bad guys. Al
Qaeda certainly deserved a whole lot of the

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attention, but the worst of the
worst was Hesbola and Hamas and who are

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we dealing with right now and their
their godfather, Iran. I mean,

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that's where that's where it's all coming
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heard Biden said, well, we
don't have any direct evidence. Well,

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Joe, you ought to wake up
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briefings, because I'm sure that it's
in his classified briefing is what that Iran

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is still supporting terror networks all over
the world in primary among them are hesblon

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Amas ninety percent, Bob percent.
I mean, and this isn't stuff that

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just you just found out a month
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We've known Iran has been sponsoring terrorism. This is what the big shock was.

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Remember when Obama, in the dark
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of cash, h you know,
to to Iran and then we'll find out

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us Yeah it was, and then
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do this prisoner exchange six billion dollars. And then and then, as if

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that's not enough, we find out
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mole of sense, somebody who is
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he lifts the sanctions of on oil
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billions of dollars to the tune they're
estimating anywhere from you know, sixty to

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one hundred billion dollars since this was
done by our own government officials. Bob,

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well, don't forget the Iran nuclear
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Obama was so proud of that.
Trump rescinded it immediately, thankfully.

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And the first thing Biden does when
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put it back in place and make
nice with the Uranians. But just a

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minute on the nuclear deal, if
you remember, you know, it was

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one of the big lies that that
you know, you could keep your doctor

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right. I mean, there's so
many endless lives that are part of the

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Obama administration. The other part was
that Iran we were doing this so Iran

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will never go nuclear, and you're
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is for them. You've laid it
out, maybe not nuclear to MO,

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but there's going to be a sunset
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to go nuclear. So how is
this not going to make them go nuclear

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again? Precisely the best, even
if it would have worked, the best,

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it would have slowed down their achieving
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I asked one of our Democrat United
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which way he was going to vote. Well, I haven't decided yet,

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he said. Well, I said, I think you have decided,

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and you don't want to tell me. This was in a group setting,

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and I challenged him. I said, Michael, this is a senator,

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Michael Bennett. He said, Michael, explain to me what part of death

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to America death to Israel you don't
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quite serious. And if you think
that that somehow we can negotiate with believe

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in what they say, shake hands
and trust in the deal. With the

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Iranians, they said, you're sadly
mistaken, and there will be a price

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to pay. Israel just paid the
price, and hopefully we don't get to

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have to do the same. I'm
sure you know this bill, But decades

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ago, this goes back twenty plus
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cells in American cities. Some of
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And that's not to count hamas.
And they haven't they haven't gotten less.

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And how many people we've been letting
over the border. I've been scores

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of them that we don't know what
they're coming here for. And they're from

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of Syrian descent, they're from Venezuelan
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America. You got to China.
There were Arabs coming through through South America.

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They're not they're not. They're coming
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So someday we're going to have to
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Well, no doubt about it.
We're talking with former Colorado congressman and

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businessman Bob Bupray. Bob, you
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wide open it is, and you
just mentioned a couple of things, these

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networks, but we had to even
begin to even talk about the cartels.

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You know, I saw a map
here what month before last that showed the

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cartel tentacles in the United States just
about every state. I think there's only

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eight states where cartels do not have
an operation within the state. Uh,

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they're deep into this country. So
you look at all the danger that's coming

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in from the Middle East overseas communist
gun and if you think not, I

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mean, all you got to do
is Look at the video and the response

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of these young kids and these university
campuses. I know some people want to

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say, oh, well, it's
those doggone professors. You know, they've

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been doctrinated these kids going No,
you don't understand. We have been importing

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hatred into this country. These kids, bob As, you know, they

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were raised on hating Israel, hating
America. This has been part of their

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dogma, as Diane Feinstein would refer
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And you saw it on full display
the past nine ten days after Hamas

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went after and brutally murdered what thirteen
hundred Israelis. Yeah, it was on

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full display on too many campuses and
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So we actually had one of our
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rally, one of our state legislators
because since of course apologized, but oh

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well, damn, we've done.
Yeah, I don't. I keep trying

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to understand Bill, this I Hate
America cycle that we seem to be in.

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I just read a book that says
that that this is part of the

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normal cycle of humanity, that we
go through a building cycle, then we

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go through a kind of fat and
sassy cycle, and then we go through

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a decline and finally a crisis cycle. And according to him, the professor

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that studies this stuff, he believes
we're in that crisis phase. And precisely

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in that phase, people kind of
turn on themselves. Remember Abraham Lincoln who

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famously said, if America ever fails, it won't be by an attack from

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outside, no inside, its suicide
exactly kill ourselves. Well, I hope

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and pray that that does not happen. But you look at you look at

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some of what we deal with and
so called leadership. Now we look at

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look at our young population on the
campuses and and what they're what they're doing,

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what they're saying, what they're believing. And you have to wonder how

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much longer it's time to take for
all of us to love this country and

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the benefit from this country, to
take further stock and do all we can

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to turn the tide. Well,
you know, when you go back,

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uh, you go back to the
root of the issue, Bob, and

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what you're suggesting, and even this
professor is uh, it really comes down

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to what John Adams said, and
that is our constitution was designed for a

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moral and righteous people and uh and
and connected to those key elements is a

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belief in God. Here we are. I mean, when you and I

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were growing up, ninety percent of
the country believed in God. Now it's

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down under seventy percent. And so
look what's happening. The results of us

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turning our back on God. This
country we have the manifestation of all sorts

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of evil, some disconnect from common
sense and reality. I mean, we

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look at our government and we go, wait a minute, how does it

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make sense to open up the border
and let you know, six seven million

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people come in when you're thirty three
trillion dollars in debt, Who's going to

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pay for this stuff? You know, Joe, did you get so much

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money with the Biden brand that you
can offset the expenses of letting these future

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Democrat voters come in mass into our
country along with you know what they hold

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in their hearts and their discontent and
their hatred for America? You know,

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and again, you know, when
you look back in terms of the hatred

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issue in my study in the Middle
East, they refer to as ancient hatred,

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there's no cycle there. It is
just constant. It's been going on

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for thousands of years, sure where
they just hate, they hate Israel,

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they hate America, and how can
you possibly eradicate that. All you can

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do is do the best you can
that when you see its head raising up,

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that you lop its head off,
just like what's what you know Israel

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is about ready to do to Hamas. And understand, you know, I

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know Barack Obama goes, well,
what is like Wackimo? Well maybe to

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a degree, it is a little
bit bit like Wackamo, because when the

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mole raises its head, you got
to lop it off. Just like whether

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we're talking in the south there with
Hamas, you got Hesboalah, which is

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stronger yet probably two three times stronger
than Hamas, and of course backed by

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again you know, Iran with all
these missiles and the development the missile sophistication,

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I'm told by IDF soldiers and and
by General's Bob much more sophisticated coming

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from the north as opposed to what's
coming from the south. So the iron

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dome is being stretched. America is
sending munitions to reinforce and do what they

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can. Sadly, again, Biden, because of his lukewarm commitment, doesn't

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understand Okay, we send ships there
off of you know, off the coast

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of Israel there, but we need
ships on the other side that are within

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striking distance of Iran to hold them
in check. It almost seems like it

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kind of reminds me. You know, one time when I was I'd gone

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down to Alcopulco and they had all
these soldiers with guns and I'm going,

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wow, that's that's bizarre. And
I said, you know, are you

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know, who are they here to
protect? And they said, well,

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it's not. Believe it or not, it's not the tourist You think it's

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the tourists, No, it is
you know, it's the malplayers there in

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the area. And so here it
is I'm seeing Joe Biden. I mean,

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you're kind of like saying, okay, you're offering a little bit of

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threat, but who are you there? Are you there to hold Israel in

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check? Because already they're backing off, and Joe Biden is making statements like,

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oh gosh, maybe you know,
maybe you shouldn't be so hard on

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Hamas. Maybe you know, we
don't have all the facts yet. I

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mean, it's just absurd. But
again, you know, Bob, the

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difference, just like you said in
nine to eleven, we saw it happening

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here in our country, just like
just like in Hawaii and Pro Harbor,

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we saw it happen on our homeland, and nobody else from the outside can

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tell us what to do or how
we're supposed to feel. And we're in

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a similar situation towards is This is
their pain, they're suffering their people,

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and we either are going to back
them to the fullest. I say,

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even more so than the backing that
we're offering and have been offering to Ukraine.

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Israel is our number one ally and
they take priority. In my humble

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opinion. Yeah, I very much, very much concur with with everything you

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just said. This would be a
kin to back off of our support of

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Israel, would be a kid to
Tony Blair on on the in the wake

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of nine to eleven saying well,
America, maybe you ought to exercise some

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restraint and let us we'll circle Parliament
up and maybe we'll get back to you

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in a few weeks and see how
much we can support you, if at

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all. No, he jumped in
with both feet and was right there as

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our as our best friend, and
exactly that's what best how best friends treat

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each other. You mentioned you mentioned
a God that created us and the God

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that's blessed America so many times the
past, Bill, and I'd like to

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like to talk about that a little
bit further some some I think for me,

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I know you're a student of the
Bible. I am as well.

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Obviously, the Jewish people kind of
wrote wrote the Old Testament, the whole

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focus of it. And if I
if I remember the lessons well, the

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God that did create all of us
and the God that we certainly prayed to

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after nine to eleven during World War
two, during our revolutionary war, times

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of need, it seems like America
suddenly finds religion again. Funny how that

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works. But it was God who
when when the Jewish people drifted away,

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and they did numerous occasions, drifted
away from Him and went back to idle

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00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:53.559
worship for it h and he'd get
their attention, and bad things happened,

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and they were taking captive to Egypt, or they were taking captive to babble

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on it, but at their greatest
moments, so they were standing right there

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with him exactly. I know it's
not fashionable right now for some reason in

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America to wear your faith on your
sleeve. But it's that faith that we

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were founded on as a nation.
It's that faith. It has seen us

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reasons then most of us. Well, you know, Bob, you're exactly

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right. I mean, the situation
like you know you're referring to, like

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particularly in the Book of Judges,
it was a cycle that happened time and

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again. People, you know,
in their prosperity, the height of the

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prosperity, all of a sudden they
would think they would take credit, and

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they would see things according to their
own eyes and turn their back on God,

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so to speak. And so it
would roll and till God said,

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Okay, I've had enough of that, and he would send calamity. He

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would send somebody to come in and
imprison them, and they'd be imprisoned,

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they'd be they'd be held hostage and
suffering, and then they cry out to

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God. God in his faithfulness and
mercy would send a prophet, send a

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leader to come in and deliver them, you know, from from their calamity.

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And uh and then he you know, people again would start to do

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well and they would go into the
same cycle. And America has done the

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same thing. I mean, it's
just the nature of humanity. But fortunately

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we have the nature of God that
is without change. He is a merciful

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God, and he wants us to
turn back. And I've been saying and

519
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praying that maybe we could have an
inn of a moment. You know,

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when Ninevah got the message that God
was not happy with them, they repented

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and they came back to God.
This is the only hope that we have,

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Bob. It's not going to be
from some you know, some party,

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some political party. We have got
to get the foundation set. I've

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been saying time and again, we've
got to return to first principles, these

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first principles that gave us this great
American idea that inspired John Winthrop to refer

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to that light on a hill,
that hill that would attract that light that

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would go forth to all nations and
attract other nations to seek, you know,

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seek the God of Abraham so that
it would go well for them.

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And for many years we were that
hill and that shining example. But the

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fact of the matter is is that
there will always be just like you know,

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if it could happen in the garden, in the garden of Eden,

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it's going to happen here too.
That you're going to have Satan. You're

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going to have evil raise its head
and come against those things that are godly.

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And that's the cycle that we will
be on and what we have to

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live with. But those of faith
need to stay close to the word of

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God. They need to stay close
to God, continue to pray, and

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right now especially pray for the peace
of Jerusalem. This is scriptural that we

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would do this, and that we
would pray that, by God's grace and

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mercy, we would return to first
principles, come back to God and benefit

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from his open arms and his willingness
to accept us back back into the fold.

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Very well said, I think,
I think many of our people,

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especially what we've seen on the campuses
of late, need to have a lesson

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in the difference between good and evil
and that actually exists right in this age

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of relativism. A lot of people
don't want to talk about real evil,

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but throughout all of history, and
the Bible is a pretty good history book.

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Yes, and evil reared it hit
its head. God's people have certainly

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could point it out and knew what
to do with that. You defeat it,

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yeah, and you defeated by any
means you have to do That's why

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I think we have rather than excuse
me, rather than second guess in Israel,

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chastising Israel, suggesting Israel somehow restrain
itself back down. We need to

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understand what they've gone through and that
they are faced with absolutely pure evil exactly

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needs to be eradicated. And yes, we need to support them. Yeah,

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if not, what else, I
mean, you're going to continue to

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live with it. I mean they
have been over backwards. It's not like

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you know, they've only gave,
you know, supported Hamas for a couple

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of This is going on for years. I mean, they turned over the

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Gaza in two thousand and five and
they've suffered every day since and it has

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risen to this point to where now
it's insufferable. And after all the good

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that has been extended to Hamas from
the United Nations, which we have contributed

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to Israel, has has support it
in hopes that they would turn, you

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know, turned from their evil ways. But they can't help themselves because the

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doctrine and what they're committed to.
Bob, and again people need to understand,

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like with the PLO and yes,
their arafat, I mean it was

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clear with the Palestinians, they said, you cannot negotiate with Israel. If

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we don't get one hundred percent of
any kind of negotiation, then forget it.

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We don't want to And if anybody
accepts less one hundred percent, they

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their family should be murdered on the
spot. And one hundred percent means that

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Israel would no longer exist. It's
not that Israel would go off and find

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some new desert land out in the
Jordans somewhere. No, and that's not

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enough for them. They want Israel
to be totally vanquished. Correct, that's

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Haamasa's stated objective. Well, that's
Humas, that's the Muslim brotherhood, that

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is these radical Arab Muslims out there. That's the way they feel. So

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you know, again, if they
tell you, Bob, if they tell

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you we want you dead, you
know what else? What else can you

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say? I mean, you got
to take them for what they're And they're

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saying that about Israel, they're saying
that about America. As I said,

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that's exactly the question I put to
our United States Senator Bennett. What part

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of death to America death to Israel. Don't you understand that is their stated

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goal and the only way to deal
with it. That's why I had a

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00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.880
problem with the Iranian nuclear deal.
It's why I have a problem sending the

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money. That's why I have a
problem trusting them. They are the epitome

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of evil right now. And until
you're objective and face that, you may

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00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.760
not like reality, Bill, But
if you're in leadership, you got to

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deal with it exactly. And we
need some We need a little bit better

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00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.440
better leadership in that regard for sure
right now. Well, you know,

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experience defines preference. You know,
we had we had four years I think

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of, you know, some good
years. They are all things considered except

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00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:07.440
for COVID, not necessarily Donald Trump's
fault. I get that. You can

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be critical of certain things about it, but look at we were energy independent,

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Our border was secure. Putin was
in check, he wasn't sending any

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00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.719
missiles, he wasn't invading Ukraine.
President g was behaving himself. And oh

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yeah, by the way, in
order to level out the marketing field because

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China was taking so unfair advantage of
American business, we were getting four hundred

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billion dollars in sanctions. And you
know, Joe Biden, in his brilliance

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00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:43.079
and wisdom, eradicated all that,
Bob, we got about a minute left.

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I'm going to turn it over to
you and let you summarize and bring

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us home and wrap it up.
We've been through some many difficult times as

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a nation, especially on our path
to becoming the world's greatest nation. I

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still firmly believe that that is within
our DNA, that's in our soul.

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But it is a time for us
to take account, take stock of who

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we are as individuals, who we
are collectively as a society, who we

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are as a political party. I'm
a Republican. I think our party's got

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a lot of getting growing up,
to do, a lot of reform,

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to do, a lot of repair
to do, but no time. Like

605
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:30.440
the President. Winston Churchill, another
guy I admire a lot, said one

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time that you always count on America
to do the right thing after they've tried

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00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:40.119
everything else. I'd like to think
we're about to the point of having tried

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all the bad ideas we had to
get on with some good ideas time.

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Amen. Amen to that. He's
a former Colorado businessman, congressman, and

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businessman. Bob ou Pray has been
our guest. Bob, thank you so

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much for being with us. It's
always a pleasure. Bill. God bless

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