China Expert And Former International Diplomat In Reagan Years Insists We Must Be Vigilant Of China

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Radio. Well glad you could join
us. I'm Bill Martinez. We're continuing

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to pursue the truth, no matter
where it leads on your behalf because,

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as you know, knowledge is power, and as we've been saying repeatedly on

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the show, and I guess this
will be our mantras that you must own

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your own knowledge. So whatever you
hear from me or any of our experts,

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our lineup of expert guests, remember
hopefully this is what motivates you to

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own the knowledge. Just don't just
take our word for it, because then

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you're just spouting off eight second sound
bites and you're a lot more intellectual than

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that. So you know, today, for example, we've got Lloyd Richardson.

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Lloyd is a China expert, a
diplomat during the Reagan years. He's

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a lawyer, so don't hold it
against him. He's got global clients for

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over twenty years. And he's also
an author and we're going to talk about

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some of his books in just a
moment, which really draws from his experience

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of China. Lloyd Richardson, welcome
the show. Good to have you with

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us. Hey, Bill, how
are you today? Hey, I'm doing

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terrific. I'm so honored that you
can join us to you know, share

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with our international audience, our national, inner national audience, via this TV

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show your expertise so that we can
get a clear understanding of the threats that

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China is holding in the balance against
the United States. Well, thank you,

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Bill, and it really is good
to be here today. I just

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to flesh out I guess my background
a little bit. I want to mention

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to the folks who are with us
that I've been in the China field really

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since nineteen sixty nine, which,
if you stop and think about, it

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was three years before even Richard Nixon
thought to go to China. So it's

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been a while. Yeah, and
I did some undergraduate work in Asian history

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and Chinese and then during the nineteen
eighties I was in the Foreign Service during

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the Reagan presidency, where I worked
on Taiwan arms sales and had some other

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interesting times. Well, Lloyd,
if we can for just a second,

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can we talk a little bit about
the beginnings of your experience with China.

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I had a dear friend that I
went to high school with, and he

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led a lot of tours through China
during that early time when you know,

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you had quite the revolution taking place
and China trying to figure out, well,

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did they really want to, you
know, participate in a free market

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or not, because up to this
point it was all pretty much you know,

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governed by Chairman Mao, right,
it was. And you know,

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just to provide a little context,
it's important for people to remember that in

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the first twenty five years of Chinese
communist rule, they killed eighty million of

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their own people. I guess that
was just to get their point across,

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you think, so at the period
I think you're thinking of in the in

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the seventies. Of course, after
Nixon's trip, there was some initial contact

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during the seventies, and then of
course eventually we derecognized by the way Taiwan

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is the Republic of China in nineteen
seventy eight, and then established diplomatic relations

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with Mail of China what they call
the People's Republic right in nineteen seventy nine.

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So yeah, that was a kind
of an unusual time. I was

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actually in Taiwan for some of that
time in the early seventies, and then

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again in the for a couple of
years in the early eighties, so I

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got to see that, to see
that up close, and I could actually

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I had a good friend in the
Foreign service who had the misfortunate being in

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Taiwan in nineteen seventy eight when they
do recognized. So he recounts how that

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was kind of a difficult time to
be exactly, well, we'll help us

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a little bit because you were there
in the country and as that was happening,

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because as my friend related to me, I mean was it was a

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little comical. We're having dinner and
he's talking about, you know, how

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the people were getting into uh,
you know, kind of the free enterprise

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markets a little bit, and people
would be selling chickens and he'd go to

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their homes and there would be these
rooms loaded up with you know, chickens

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in cages. I mean, there
wasn't any kind of you know, regulation

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per se, but they were just
you know, they were excited about you

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know, this new business opportunity.
Well, I guess one thing that's worth

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reinforcing. You know, the Chinese
as a people, of course, have

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been around for three or four thousand
years. So my experience with them has

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always been that they are extremely entrepreneurial
people. But you really have to distinguish

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between what the Chinese people are like
and what their government has been doing in

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the last seventy five years. And
I will say one of one of the

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things I like to call it the
big lie. There are so many of

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them, of course out there in
the in the real world, but the

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big lie about China is that there
is a private sector, because that's just

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not true. Any kind of economic
activity, really down to the most granular

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level, is controlled by the government. And one of the things that you

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saw very early in the nineteen eighties
and late seventies as US businesses tried to

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go started to go and try to
do business in China is they always had

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a partner. There was no such
thing as just going the way you would

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here in the US, and you
open your own business. It doesn't work

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like that in China. Never has. You always have a partner. The

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bad part about it is you really
never know who that partner is. But

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I can assure you that if not
the partner, then the partner's partner member

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of the Chinese Communist Party. Yeah, and it's kind of a it's kind

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of a personal kleptocracy, you know. It's the way they make money as

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members, as cadres, as high
level officials in the Communist Party is by

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controlling all this economic activity exactly,
Lloyd, how did we go into this

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so blindly? I mean, we're
we just so excited and seeing you know,

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the billion you know, billions of
people are you know, over a

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billion people and all the potential commerce
that was going to have that we ignored

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the obvious. What is it that
Richard Nixon saw that somehow didn't translate?

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Well, Dixon, I guess maybe
more to the point, Kissinger saw saw

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the Chinese as a way to foil
what was going on with the Soviet Union

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at the time, right, and
that was their the first impulse was strategic.

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But you know, for the rest
of US. That's kind of a

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small matter overall the thing. But
I think you've really hit the nail on

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the head their bill, because there
is an illusion that not just the US

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but others in the West have had
for literally hundreds of years. It's such

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a massive population still the largest in
the world, right one point four one

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point five billion people depending on what
day you count. And there's been this

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notion for really two or three hundred
years, starting in with the English mercantile

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class. You know, the old
saying if you could just add an inch

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to the shirt tails of every Chinaman, you know, they used to say,

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the mills of Lancashire would run for
a hundred years, right. So

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there is a lot of I think
of wishful thinking that goes into it for

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our commercial interests here in the United
States. But but some of it is

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I think, just, um,
we're naive. I mean as a people,

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maybe naive is not the right word
we like to I think it's almost

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arrible because whether we're talking you know, the Middle East or other countries,

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somehow we want to impose our sense
of liberty and the constitution, you know,

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and impose our world view on them
without even realizing you know, the

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years, the thousands of years of
how they got where they are and what

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they believe in. Right, I
think if anybody's naive, yeah, we're

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probably naive in that sense. So
Bill, so what about nation building over

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the last twenty years? Have you
see that you thought was foolish nation building?

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Yes, let's just import this institution
and click it in over here.

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Oh yeah, yeah, it's all
these expensive theories. This is what drives

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me nuts. And especially where we
are right now, we're operating in the

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realm of the theoretical and I think
that you know, this was probably one

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of my biggest issues with the Obama
administration was like everything that they operated on

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was based on a theory. And
it's no wonder that the critical race theory

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and all these other Marxist ideas that
are all theoretical that abandon empirical evidence and

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past knowledge goes out the door and
let's let's do something you know, revolutionary

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here and go off half cocked,
and oh, let's take away everybody's car.

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For example, like the the latest
news coming out of New Jersey,

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Lord have mercy. You know,
the governor signed a bill a dictum.

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It should say it's not even a
bill, it's just he declared it to

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be so from on high that by
twenty thirty five all in New Jersey would

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be operating off of electric vehicles.
And it's like, well, did anybody

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stop to consider, like, are
you going to have enough product for the

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state of New Jersey to be operating
on evs? So, Bill, I'll

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tell you something quick like about EVS
because that's a real hot button for me.

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But people don't seem to realize.
You know, a lot of especially

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the younger generation, think that electricity
comes out of the wall receptacle. So

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if you have an electric car,
right, you just plug it in and

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that solves your problem. Right,
But where do they think the electricity comes

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from. I can tell you it
coach from fossil fugles generation plants that are

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hundreds of miles away, and you
have line losses and you ship that electricity

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over to my wall receptacle. Right. So yeah, don't get me started

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on evs. Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to poke in the

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eye with that. Don't don't let
reality get in the way of a good

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time, right Exactly. We're talking
with Lloyd richardson a China expert, a

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diplomat during the Reagan years. You
know, boy, been in China what

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for five to six decades? Lloyd
in the field. Yes, so though

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I tried to make an honest living
during at least a part of that time.

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But I'll tell you, hey,
look at yeah, you're an expert,

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and we need to hear from you
as to what's going on. So

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let's let's pick up the story in
terms of how we got here. We

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talked about the Nixon years. You
know, I guess we were hopeful that

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somehow we were going to convert the
Chinese kind of amazing. It must have

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been insulting to them in the back
rooms. They must have thought, how

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arrogant these people from the West think
that all of a sudden, they're going

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to come here and, you know, convert all our thinking after thousands of

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years, right, right, right? What is what is that term?

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You just plug and play? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's

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all there's too Well, you've already
hit on the big part of it.

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I think there's a lot of wishful
thinking. And that's true, whether it's

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whether it's in the commercial realm or
the idea that if we somehow liberalize the

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economy that that means that the political
system becomes more liberalized. Yeah, obviously

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that hasn't worked out very well.
But I tell you what really gets my

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goat about about what's going on with
China is that is that you and I

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are paying for China's global aggression.
I don't know how else to put it.

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Right. We have this massive trade
deficit. We ship all these dollars

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every year to China, billions and
billions of dollars, and they turn around

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and use it against us, you
know, to buy off countries everywhere around

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the world, so exactly. Yeah, and then we borrow money from them

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and pay them an interest, and
you know, we supply the funds for

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their army that's going to come against
us down the road somehow. Yeah,

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not just money, but also the
technology. I mean that that was the

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worst part about being and this was
in the regular administration in the eighties.

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You could already see the Department of
Defense here. You know, all these

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little careerist officers going, oh,
you know, if I get involved with

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the China relationship, you know,
I and I get to know some people

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there, you know that I'll get
promoted, right, I mean, its

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careerism, simple and the US government
in US business, Dad has played a

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role since the very beginning. So
in addition to wishful thinking, there's another

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factor that you know, you could
put on. You know, they led

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with their greed, and the Chinese
were smart enough to see what they needed

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and how they could gas the American
people here. It was America thought,

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well, China, what do they
know, how unsophisticated are they? We're

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going to go over and take over
them. And meanwhile they spread tentacles and

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they take over us by taking advantage
of our greed, beginning to you know,

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buy up elected officials, support their
campaigns, get them to be beholden,

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you know, to their interests.
And now here we are today with

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what over forty confucious institutes and some
of our most top rate academic institutions in

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the country. We had six or
seven police stations. They have ripped us

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off blind three ways to Sunday.
I mean, it was kind of amazing

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to me because even when Donald Trump
came on the scene, it was stuff

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that they all knew and ignored and
they were willing to accept until Donald Trump

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decided to poke them in the eye
and raise some discomfort about how you know,

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the communist Chinese were ripping us off. Right. Well, and you

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talk about intellectual property, where where
has all the US intellectual property gone?

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I mean Trump Police had was smart
enough to emphasize that as an issue.

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But that started day one. I
mean, if you went, if a

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US company went into China to build
a business, part of the deal was

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after ten years, you had to
turn over your intellectual property to your local

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partner. Right, But but beyond
that, what if? What's wrong with

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the picture? Stop and think about
this bill. You have thirty per scent

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of all foreign graduate students of foreign
students in the United States today as we

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sit here, thirty percent of them
are from mainland China, mostly in the

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sciences, mostly at the graduate student
level, where they will come out and

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through our green card system, get
jobs in the United States, primarily in

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sciences and technology. So does anybody
see any problem with the potential for intellectual

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property loss? Do we dare we
call it spying? Yeah? Yeah?

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And whatever they don't capture, we'll
just send over a balloon, you know,

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just for a luxe. Right,
that's right, that's right. Don't

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even get into balloons, you know, the balloon the balloon incident was would

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have been funny except for the path
that that balloon managed to take across the

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continent of the United States. It
did yet I guess you know, near

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one or two sensitive facilities in that
time. Right, But don't worry,

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because our president he took fifty million
dollars from the Chinese. So exactly,

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so no worries. And here all
this sophisticated military equipment and spy equipment that

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we have. It takes what a
local farmer in Montana just to look up

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into the sky right right. Where
were the f sixties? Where were the

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twenty twos? Where are the f
thirty fives? You know? No,

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no, the farmer notes it.
Yeah, well we're there. Well they

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had to wait until a hobby lobby
balloon that costs twelve dollars went out there,

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and then they shot off a quarter
of million dollars worth of armaments.

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No wonder we're running low on arm
AMMUNI should forget about what we give away

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to Ukraine, right right, right
exactly. Oh, this is hysterical,

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I'm telling you, Lloyd. If
if this wasn't if this wasn't true,

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I mean, they would think that
we probably some people think we're making this

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stuff up because it just sounds so
outlandish. You know, that's one of

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the challenging when you go to if
you try to write novels about this stuff,

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it's kind of hard to come up
with something that looks like it's just

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imaginary because the reality is so much
more bizarre. Right, Well, and

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speaking of writing, let's we've got
about three minutes before we go to break

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here. Let's spend a little time. Let's talk about You've got a series,

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three books that you've written, and
tell tell our viewers about the series.

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Well, just quick, like you
know, it's funny you mentioned the

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Obama administration, and I think my
frustration with the our foreign policy during that

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period is finally what's set me off
enough to start doing this. But I

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wrote the first one, I guess
back in twenty ten. But the idea

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is to is obviously you want to
try to write a story that's entertaining for

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people. But there are three books
in the in the series, hence the

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name the Adam Chin Trilogy. You
know there's a connection there, and and

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so what I was trying to do
is just sort of in telling the story,

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just kind of highlight for people how
pervasive China's influence is everywhere everywhere around

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the world. So the first novel, for example, is set in Pakistan

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and India, right, and actually
the Chinese invade northern Pakistan is how the

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thing sort of kicks off. And
then there's one in Central Asia. The

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second book is in Central Asia and
Turkey in Iran, and then the final

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one, which I just released,
is in set in East Africa, but

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always sort of indicating how the Chinese
are involved in the bad things that are

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happening in those places. Well,
and of course this brings to additional light

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here, Lloyd, the whole Belton
Road initiative, doesn't it. Yeah?

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Again, well, coming back to
where all the US trade dollars go,

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right, Yes, so those are
US trade dollars that the Chinese are recirculating

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to buy off other countries. Right, So let's build a road all the

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way across, you know, from
from East Asia to Europe and then all

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the countries in between and connected all
up. But that of course has has

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nothing to do with with their with
the Chinese being able to assert influence in

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these right. Yeah. Can you
can you say infrastructure? Yeah? Yeah,

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that's I mean, that's sort of
my business as a lawyer, so

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it sort of really strikes home for
me. I have to tell right,

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well, because the thing is is
that whether we're talking you know the Belton

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Road initiative from the Chinese, or
we're talking you know the cartels, their

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operation, their infrastructure that crosses our
southern border and goes into just about every

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state of the Union. Uh.
You know that infrastructure is designed to produce

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specific results, and it's clear what
what kind of result China is expecting,

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right absolutely, Uh, they buy
and sell and that's that's exactly what they

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do. And uh, I know
when we when we admitted, I don't

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know when you're breaking is coming up
exactly? Well, actually we're coming up

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right now. So let's go ahead
and we'll hit the pause button. We'll

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pick it up from there. More
from Lloyd Richardson after this stay with us.

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Well, welcome back. Bill Martin
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with us. For more information on
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Bill Martini show dot com. You
know, certainly America has had its fair

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share of antagonists, from Russia to
Afghanistan, Iranta Isis, but none has

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matched the aggression and overt ambitions of
China. They've captured our manufacturing, intellectual

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property, corporate military intelligence, established
over forty confucious institutes in our colleges,

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at least six local police stations within
America, and a targeted plan to elite

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capture our elected officials. We have
Lloyd Richardson with US, a China expert,

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a diplomat during the Reagan years,
and a lawyer with global clients for

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over twenty years. Also an author
that we've been featuring his latest series three

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books that I highly recommend. There's
a you know, some opportunity when you're

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able to present history in a bit
of a narrative, in a novel type

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form, because it does allow you
some liberty, but nonetheless you can still

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be true to the facts, Right
Lloyd, That's that's exactly the attention Bill,

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Right. And I was actually you
know you just before the break,

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you were talking about the Belton Road
initiative, and I would just like to

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highlight I guess one little piece of
good news, you know. I was.

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I was in East Africa and Airobi
for about a year about ten years

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ago, so twenty eleven and twenty
twelve. And one of the things that

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I think really really woke me up
was how pervasive the Chinese were. They'd

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been they'd been there twenty years,
working away, establishing using their usual playbook,

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right, I mean they're buying officials. Uh, they're using their their

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recycled US trade dollars to buy influence. But it was funny because in twenty

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twelve, the people of Kenya,
you know, I was pretty close to

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a lot of people and talk to
them as much as I could, and

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the man in the street if you
asked him, oh, they loved the

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Chinese. Ten years later you ask
those same people what they think, and

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I think they've begun to understand that
there's a bit of a bait and switch

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going on, right. There is
no free lunch that the Chinese are buying

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their officials off. They had a
minister of Transportation in Kenya who was paid.

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I mean everybody knows about it.
So that's the thing about cell phones,

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right, It's all over the internet. So they paid The going price

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for a minister level person in Kenya
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which is what the Chinese paid him. He awarded a sole source contract

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to build the rail system there to
the Chinese to the Chinese construction company and

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then left office, never prosecuted,
but everybody knows that he did it.

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So it's like this is the kind
of stuff that goes on, but the

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people are beginning to figure it out. So that's the only bright sort of

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bright sign I guess or positive thing
that I would mention. Well, Lloyd,

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you think that you know, as
you just laid out, If you

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want to know what somebody's going to
do, look what they've done. We're

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not hiding anything. The people around
the world knows what's happening in the United

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States. I mean, Peter Schweitzer
has written extensively about it, Miranda Divine

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as well about the elite capturing of
our elected officials. Trevor Lowden extensively.

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In fact, he's got a new
series where his first part is focused on

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senators and he's any highlights fifteen senators
that are card caring communists, and they

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are it's almost like when they take
their vow to protect our country against you

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know, in our Constitution, against
all enemies foreign and domestics, as if

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they have their fingers crossed behind their
back, and so they're all being exposed.

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People around the world knows what's going
on. I question though a lot

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of focus right now is on Joe
Biden, But when he was vice president,

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we had a lot of shenanigans going
on, and I still asked the

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question, you know you got here. You got Joe Biden, who is

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incriminated with all this uh, you
know, capturing by the Chinese and money

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exchange, whether it's Ukraine, and
we even have him on video talking about

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what he did in order to discredit
a prosecutor using the people's money, our

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money, and with hurding a billion
dollars right to get this guy out of

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investigating Barisma, which his son Hunter
and he had now we know we had

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he had some business interests in.
So the point is is, whether you're

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talking Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton,
we know that what she was doing with

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the Clinton Foundation, John Kerry,
and god only knows who else. This

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all happened under the presidency of Barack
Obama. How does Barack Obama skate free

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on this? Wow, that's way
above my pay grade. Bill, I

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really don't have a good answer to
that. But be the same way that

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Barack Obama managed to, you know, skate free for all his I'm sorry

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communist socialist policies and thinking that the
people he's appointed. I mean, you

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look at what's going on in the
Department of Defense right now. It's important

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to remember that under Barack Obama,
for the first he dramatically increased the number

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of people at the GS fifteen level
before he left office r exactly, people

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making one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
above and above in the US government.

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And so all of those people are
still so called career civil servants now and

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if he hired them, do you
really think that we're going to get a

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different policy from out of those times? No? So, I mean it

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goes back when we're talking about Lloyd. It's the infrastructure, the infrastructure that

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was designed to produce a specific result. Obama was in the sense, you

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know, setting up the Democratic Party, and not so much the party as

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much as the left and the other
socialist involved in our government. And he

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was setting up some insurance. So
by elevating them to j's fifteen level and

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a permanent bureaucracy class, they could
not be fired. It's no wonder.

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I mean, you're talking a deep
state that's been you know, especially fortified,

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right and I Honestly, I despair
if we don't get someone who's willing

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to come into office as a president
and essentially just fire all these people.

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I understand they're all protected as civil
servants, but if you don't just fire

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them or shut their agencies down and
start over, how do you get rid

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of these people? I don't think
it's that easy. No, you're exactly

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right. And I think Donald Trump
found that out after four years of this

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insanity that seems to be the nightmare
that would not go away. But you're

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exactly right. I mean it's almost
like, well, you're an attorney and

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uh and you understand I've been saying
this for a long time that we maybe

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need to treat our government, uh
and and force it into a kind of

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a chapter eleven type of right,
start with the FBI and the Justice Department,

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right, right, and maybe the
PA after that, right, yeah,

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Right, And then and then you
can start, you know, like

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you do in all businesses, they
go chapter eleven. You start making those

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you know, in one sense,
because it's about survival, they're easy decisions

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to make. But when you've got
a family in a sense, a family

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run business that's protecting their own kids, it's hard to fire them, right,

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yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
really an issue. You know.

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It's funny when when when I was
in the federal government in those days,

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if you if a new president came
in, regardless of change in party or

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not, it was expected that everybody
at the assistant secretary level and above anybody

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on the policy level, would submit
a letter of resignation, right exactly.

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Apparently that practice is no longer followed. So when Donald Trump came into office,

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basically he inherited everybody. I mean, then he had to go through

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one by one by one and replace
this person and that person. You know,

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it was obviously you know, that's
four years right there, exactly.

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I was going to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is

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where we are, and we're really
kind of setting ourselves up in a way.

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The warnings of Abraham Lincoln are coming
to haunt us. He said that

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if this, in so many words, that if this democratic Republic was to

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fall, it would be from the
inside out, not from the outside in

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necessarily exactly. Well, and you
know, looking at what Reagan said,

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right, democracy is only ever generate
loss of it only every generational a right,

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exact exactly, Well, and here's
and here's where we are knowing this,

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and and for you being able to
have such a direct and personal look

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of one clear threat, but you
can see how these other threats fit in

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a similar pattern. And the common
target is America, isn't it everywhere?

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Yeah? And I guess the other
thing that's disturbing about about what China is

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doing is then they have all these
proxies that they've developed, right, like

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Uran and and then and then what's
going on between Russia and China? You

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know, that's that's even more bizarre
where that's headed. It's just really hard

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to tell, right. Some people
you see some in sometimes recently in the

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paper, some people are thinking,
well, this, this the Wagner rebellion,

434
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you know, spells problems for the
China Russian relationship. But who knows.

435
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I guess the theory there is it's
a sign of Russian weakness. But

436
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who's China's alternatives? Who're going to
have buddies like that in Asia? You

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know Russia? Right? What else
is there? Well? The thing is

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the way I look at it,
Lloyd, and you know better. But

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I see that the Chinese have measured
Putin and Russia and they kind of have

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them right where they want them.
They don't need to do anything. Just

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let Russia go ahead and fight itself
out if it destroys itself over Ukraine or

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00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.800
entangles itself with America. That's just
it's one huge distraction and opens a door

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wider for China the way I look
at it, what do you think?

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Absolutely, And of course people forget, but the Chinese always are taking the

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long view right So there they really
are master chess players. So you got

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to give them credit for that.
So as you say, if Putin goes

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by the wayside, that's fine.
That's one list competitor for China to deal

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with in Asia, and you know
that's their most direct, direct threat exactly.

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We're military competitors. So yeah,
well we're talking. We're talking with

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Lloyd Richardson, the China expert in
diplomat during the Reggan years. Got to

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richardson the China Expert continues. He
was a diplomat during the Reagan years and

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a lawyer with global clients for over
twenty years. An author as well.

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We've been featuring his books. You've
seen them come up, you know throughout

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this uh, you know, throughout
this conversation, Lloyd, number one question

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outside of the pending threat that the
communist Chinese have in America, and I'll

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tell you Americans and our audience is
asking China appears to be culpable and involved

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with COVID nineteen. And the question
that remains is was it something that they

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did intentionally or was it an accident? Will put a good good way to

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frame the question. I don't.
I think it was deliberate. And as

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I as I say to people who
say, well, maybe it wasn't deliberate,

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I said, well, if it
wasn't deliberate, let's at least say

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that the Chinese Communist Party is taking
notes, right, we know. You

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00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.800
know. The funny thing is I
was getting on an airplane leaving a job

519
00:40:54.880 --> 00:41:00.159
in Africa in March of twenty twenty
when all this was art. It was

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before they started shutting the airlines down
and travel. But but this business had

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00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:10.199
come out and if you were reading
what was online in March, it was

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all over the place. Everybody was
talking about how China had done this and

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that back in October, November,
December of the prior year, and all

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these things had gone on, and
it was just like it was a fact

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00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.679
everybody. It was everywhere. And
then and then, of course the narrative

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was just totally shut down right by
the by the federal government and governments everywhere.

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So but did they do it on
purpose? Well, certainly it was

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intentional. This gain a function research
obviously that I mean that was intentional?

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Was the release intentional? You know, it's so hard to answer that because

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the Chinese, because they have a
billion and a half people, and because

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they are lovely communists, they don't
really care all that much about how many

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of their own people they killed because
they don't have elections, right, So

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00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.960
if they're unpopular, they're unpopular.
It's the way they roll. So it

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00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.559
is kind of ironic to me that
it appears that China has had a much

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greater degree of difficulty than other countries
in actually getting over COVID. It appears

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at least that over the past twelve
months they have continued to have outbreaks and

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00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.920
lockdowns and all of these things.
How much of that's true and why it's

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really happening, I don't have any
insight into that, but the fact that

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it certainly did kind of come back
to bite them a little bit if they

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did it on purpose. But I
think more importantly, even if they didn't

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do the release on purpose, what
if they learned from the way the Western

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00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:50.920
world and the way government's everywhere reacted
to this exactly and totally destroyed democracy just

543
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like it was so easy? Right? So, is there any downside?

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00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.800
For them to do this again,
really well, they haven't had to pay

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any consequence other than they lost people. They lost some of their own people.

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But big whoop for them, right. Uh. You know, they

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look at their subjects as as just
that, not human beings. And you

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know, I got to tell you
my theory on this, lawyer, is

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that it quite possibly could have been
an accident to start with, but what

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followed up was intentional. SI.
They sent infected human missiles, you know,

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to the Mideast, right, and
they sent them to Europe. Donald

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00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.079
Trump stopped you know, planes coming
in from China to the West coast of

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America. He wanted to do the
same thing to the east, but the

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Democrats blocked him and they got in
the way. And really and then look

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00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.679
what happened. Look look at the
outbreak that happened in the East coast and

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New York's particularly. So I mean
this no doubt to me, I believe

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that they're they're spread either to hide, you know, are in epness.

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And the other thing is that we
knew, we knew this early on and

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00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.159
reported on this, is that doctor
Fauci had a team. I mean,

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he was the one that invested against
Barack Obama's wishes. He invested in Wuhan

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to set up this laboratory. He
had his people there. They came back

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after I think was a little over
a year and said, these guys are

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a bunch of cowboys. They're reckless
there. You know, we could have

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a problem there. And so here
he has advanced knowledge. Okay, and

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he becomes the poster child. You
know, I'm science, you know,

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doctor faucience. What did he do? Nothing good? Nothing good? Yeah.

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But you know the first half of
the show bill we were talking about

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careerism and how what an important role
that has played in China's success in subverting

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00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.840
our society over the last thirty years. Well, if he's not the poster

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child of careerism in the US government, I mean, mister even hesitate to

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00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.440
call him doctor Faucci. But you
know, if this is what we are

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dealing with the US government, I
mean, what what do we have to

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00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.400
deal with? It's just a mess. One thing I meant to I wanted

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to mention to you in terms of
in terms of the travel that occurred when

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at the onset of COVID. One
of the things that probably a lot of

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00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:28.519
people forget about is the worst mortality
rate in western Western Europe was actually in

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Italy, if people recall, and
there was a lot of head scratching why

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Italy. Well, what people may
not have connected the dots on is that

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the Chinese have been very busy the
last ten years taking over the manufacturing industry

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domestically in Italy, and they have
a lot of workers there, which is

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00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.880
something the north, in the north
part of Italy exactly. That's that's that's

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why I think I said the Middle
East, but that's where I meant in

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northern Italy. Yes, so small
wonder that they then suffer an outbreak and

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spread of the disease, and of
course and then there's there's depending on whether

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00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.920
you believe it or not. You
know, supposedly they're a little more old.

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The Italians are a little older population
than perhaps some other Western European countries.

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I don't know if that's true,
but maybe some of the actual deaths

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occurred as a result of the older
population. But certainly the onset of the

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disease there you have to link to
the Chinese presence. I just don't know

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how you can ignore that exactly.
Well, and the other thing too,

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whenever we were trying to report on
this, Lloyd, we were squashed by

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you know, Facebook, Twitter.
If you said anything you know that wasn't

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00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.039
in agreement and comported with what the
WHO said, then Zuckerberg and Facebook was

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going to you know, not was
they did. They canceled you immediately.

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00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.800
And now we've gone full circle to
where Joe Biden and the administration is negotiating

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00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:59.559
with the Who so that that they
would, in a sense, we would

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00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.159
render our sovereignty to the WHO because
they were so proven, you know,

598
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.440
right, there's such a great job
that we're going to turn over the administration

599
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:14.119
of any future pandemic to the WHO. Right, and they get to decide

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00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:17.920
what constitutes a crisis right in an
emergency. No, it's it's just ridiculous.

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And then I'm seeing lately that maybe
what Uncle Joe will do will wait

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00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:28.800
until just before the election or just
after the election, you know, to

603
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.320
try to sneak this over the line. But how you can do these things

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00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:37.320
without getting the Senate approval as a
treaty, I'll never know. I mean,

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00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.239
we didn't do it with the Iran
deal. And so these precedents come

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00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.320
back to bite you, right exactly. Yeah, And whether it's Obama,

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00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:52.000
you know. And this is why
many people believe that the Biden administration is

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00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:57.880
the third term of the Obama administration, because you see a continuation of the

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00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:04.320
obliteration of our institution in due process. Does anyone else see Michelle lurking in

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00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:08.760
the in the wings? Well,
my good friend Joel Gilbert did did a

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00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.719
documentary on this, uh, you
know, saying that, uh, you

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00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.119
know, all else is failing.
And of course he predicted it, uh

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that she would be the candidate in
twenty twenty. Uh and you know,

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but she keeps insisting that she's not
the one. Oh lord, I hope

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that's true. That's all we need. Gavin Deuson is bad enough, but

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uh yeah, well yeah. And
the thing is is they're they're in such

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desperation here because they can't even look
to their vice president. Kamala Harris is

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the least like vice president I think
in modern history. Lloyd Bill, this

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is why I pray every night.
I pray every night for for Biden's good

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health. Yes, you know,
because if you look at the old turnives

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in the next eighteen months. Yeah. Well, and I think this is

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what makes Republicans a little bit nervous, is in impeaching Joe Biden. Okay,

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you impeach him. Now you got
Kamala, So you know you got

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to find some way to do a
wholesale impeachment. Let's do a package deal.

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If we could do both of them, then maybe that might be worth

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doing. Out of the Speaker to
the House, right, yeah, exactly

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who just happens to be a Republican. Oh yeah, by the way,

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well, I'll tell you we got
we got about forty seconds left here,

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Lloyd. I want to give you
an opportunity to kind of summarize everything you

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know, direct our viewers and how
they can be in touch, purchase your

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books, and to be in the
flow of the No. Yeah, thank

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you so much. Bill. So, I have a website which cleverly is

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called Lloyd richardson dot com that is
key easy to remember, right, And

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I have a China white paper on
my website that I which covers a lot

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of the topics that we've talked about, and even I will note give people

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some hope. What can you do
going forward? Word? What three areas

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do we really need to focus on
to try to change this situation with China.

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So that's on the website and Obviously
you could buy the books from the

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website, so I would be grateful
if anyone would would be inclined to do

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that. So that's all I have
to say, Bill, and I really

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appreciate your time well, and we'll
link to books and the information on our

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website at Bill Martinez Show dot com. Lloyd Richardson cannot thank you enough.

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You're awesome, Thank you for all
the information. Thank you, sir,

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great talking with you. You got
to take care for more information and to

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be a part of this mighty Martinis
movement to return to God than to save

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our country. As I say,
check it out Bill Martinez Show dot com.

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May God bless you and keep you
make us face shine upon you.

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Go and be blessed me on your
imagination. Thanks take care,