America’s Sovereignty Is In Jeopardy

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good afternoon, America. Bill Martinez here.

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Great to have you with us,
and we've got our next guest,

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an old friend. We've known each
other for a long time time and we've

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been able to enjoy some, you
know, some great conversations about our country

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and especially our sovereignty. He's the
author of this new book called Indictment Prosecuting

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the Chinese Communist Party and friends for
crimes against America, China, and the

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world. And as you're sensing,
and you're exactly right, your eyes are

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telling you the truth, and everything
that you sense is that America's sovereignty is

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in jeopardy, and the Sovereignty Coalition
is committed to fighting back against all enemies

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foreign and domestic. Sounds so familiar
to the oath of office I took when

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I entered, and it is,
I will tell you, an oath that

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never expires. He's executive chairman,
founder of the Center for Security Policy,

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and author of this book, The
Indictment. Frank Gaffney joins us. Now,

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Frank, how are you good to
have you with us? I couldn't

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be better now that I'm joined with
you, Bill, and thank you for

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your service and sacrifice on behalf of
our constitution and its defense against as you

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said, all enemies foreign and domestic. Well, Frank, you have been

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a fighter for a constitution and for
these enemies. It's in our DNA.

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I guess maybe we can be grateful
to our parents because that's the way they

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raised us. Right. Well,
I'd like to think that actually successive generations

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before them did the same. I
mean, the thing that is so troubling

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in a way about our generation,
our time, is that we may be

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slipping. You know, our friend
and inspiration Ronald Reagan used to say that

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every generation faces an existential threat to
freedom, and it has to be fought

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for. It can't be simply passed
on to the next generation. We must,

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you know, make sure that it
is preserved in our time so that

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we can allow them to do the
same. This is, in fact,

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the inspiration for our book is that
this is the moment when the greatest existential

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threat to freedom of all the Chinese
Communist Party, especially aided and embedded by

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its friends, including in this country, must be tackled and countered and decisively

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defeated. Yeah, without a doubt. And speaking of question of course of

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China, the latest news that you're
reporting on is a spy base in Cuba.

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What is going on here, Well, the spy operation, which is

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a signal intelligence collection facility, has
actually been in place for some time at

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a sound called Lords the Soviet Union
constructed in the first instance, the Russians

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have had their economic difficulties, so
at some point the Chinese began operating there

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as well. I think what's really
now in prospect is they're going to greatly

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ramp up that operation of new facility. Additional capabilities, some of which we

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are hearing may involve offensive capabilities,
not just sort of passively hovering up everything

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that goes across microwaves and cell towers
and the like over much of our country,

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which is an incredible opportunity for them
to collect intelligence. But it could

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be they're capable of actually attacking us
from there as well. Well. This

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is like sixty years DejaVu with the
Cuban nuclear crisis in a sense, but

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even more so because China has already
built up in infrastructure. As you report

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in your book, You're an indictment
rank. They have an infrastructure all around

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the world. Their tentacles are far
reaching, and no doubt America is a

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primary target for the communist Chinese.
Well, absolutely no doubt about the latter

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point. And yes, they have
been beavering away for decades, really building

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up a kind of colonial infrastructure and
empire, and it's taken on additional urgency

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for them, I think, in
the past six or seven years under Jijing

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Ping, but it's been developing for
some time. And by the way,

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the base ninety miles off our shore
is not the only one in immediate proximity.

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They've been creating facilities in the Bahamas
as well, and then throughout much

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of Latin America beyond, and all
of those are bases or prospective bases,

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including ports by the way that are
capable of accommodating their carrier battle groups exactly.

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So they're taking, as always the
long term view, but they're assiduously

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creating conditions that will enable them to
wage well, a world war again,

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the old fashioned kind, only again
on steroids. Yeah, they're kind of

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setting their ducks up in a row, is the way it looks like to

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us, Frank. And whether we're
talking about police stations, six police stations

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of all things. In the United
States, they're capturing of a farmland something

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I was reading the other day,
something like they in Russia even Iran combined

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to have something like four hundred thousand
acres of farmland in the United States,

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I mean. And then we're not
even talking about the elite captured, that

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is, the politicians who have been
compromised and are beholden because they've been getting

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you know, let's say paybacks.
Well, it's not just politicians, unfortunately,

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they happen to be a prominent aspect
of this problem. As you say,

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of elite capture, that's the Chinese
term for it. Joe Biden,

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of course being the preeminent example,
the poster boy, if you will,

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of the operation. But it's also
true of well, our financial sector.

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In fact, much of what we've
just talked about, that building road initiative,

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buying up farmland, building up their
military, running slave labor operations,

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crimes against humanity, the rest of
it has been made possible. I believe

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by our own money that most of
us are unaware has been migrating from Wall

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Street where our pension funds or mutual
funds and dex funds, what have you

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are putting it, only to find
that they've put it instead into Chinese companies,

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again mostly without our knowledge. But
it's also true of business leaders more

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generally. This elite capture academics,
media personalities, and not least of course

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Hollywood, and you put all basketball
stars and you go down the line.

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It's a comprehensive effort to suborne the
people we entrust to lead us in these

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areas. And the thing is,
is you wonder who's minding the store here,

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Frank, Because the Chinese have been
able to use our constitution against us.

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They find ways to get into the
treasury by getting federal subsidies that work

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against us in our sovereignty. It's
like, wait a minute, I mean,

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I thought we paid these bureaucrats a
lot of money to protect us.

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Yeah. Well, unfortunately it's not
just federal money. I've been working with

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people up in the state of Michigan
where Governor Whitmer has been giving the Chinese

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Communist Parties front operation known as Goshen
seven hundred million dollars in subsidies to open

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up wait for it, at a
lithium ion battery plant for vehicles up there.

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Lithium ion, of course, being
something that they're now getting access to

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in enormous quantities, a critical ingredient
for much of this so called green energy

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stuff. Where in Afghanistan where we
have essentially put them in business with the

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Taliban, and the prospects of having
problems in our own country, not least

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from lithium ion dust and other pollution, is very real. And it goes

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to this question you asked a moment
ago about let's go up with having our

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farmland, having any of our real
estate really under the control of what is

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our mortal enemy, the China's Communist
Party, just doesn't make sense at any

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level. Frank Gafney, we're talking
with Frank Gafney, and we're going to

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be getting deeper into his book titled
indictments. Stay with us. We're going

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be right back with Frank. Right after

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continues with us his book The Indictment
Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and Friends for

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crimes against America, China, and
the world. Frank, before we get

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into the book specifically, I do
want to talk to you about what's going

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on this latest news break with attack
on Israel that America appears to be very

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complicit and joining with Iran, you
know, to come against our friends Israel.

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What's going on? Well, could
I just take a moment to endorse

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your appeal to your audience to support
what you're doing. I just want to

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say, I I mean, I
do a lot of shows, and I

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have a couple of myself, but
the value added of this program, Bill,

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with your expertise, with your background, particularly in your other programming,

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is incalculably important because it does allow
us, as you say, to address

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topics like the ones we're discussing now
and related ones that are just popping up

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in a way that gives people insights. And I just couldn't say how strongly

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I agree with your main point.
The founders of our country presumed that it

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would be governed by people who know
enough to know what's in their vital interest

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and would elect people to represent them
on that basis. They actually very sharply

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delimited, as you know, Bill, that people who would be able to

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vote for that reason. At the
time, it was not just a white

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men of a certain age, but
also people who owned property, who had

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skin in the game, and other
Exactly. We've come a long way from

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there, but it makes all the
more important what you're doing. And I

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just want to say to your audience
especially, please support this vital work and

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thank you for allowing me to be
part of it. To the question about

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Iran and Israel, the Biden administration
has made no secret of their belief over

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the time it's been in office,
and I really consider it to be the

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third Obama Biden term. By the
way, yes to the first two,

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that the relationship with Israel was if
anything, sort of an unpleasant reality,

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but not something they particularly fancied,
whereas the opportunity to have some new and

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very intimate relationship with the Mullahs of
Iran was something they were all about an

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art today and as a result,
what we're seeing is the Biden administration has

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been publicly it seems, in small
ways, but I think they're consequential and

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certainly signaling in big ways their support
for what amounts to an insurgency in Israel,

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an effort to literally overthrow the government
of Israel, in no small measure,

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brought to the people there by senior
former officials, including two former Prime

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ministers, I think two or three
leaders of the Israel Defense Forces, at

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least one Supreme Court Chief Justice,
and those are all legitimating what's being done

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here and giving encouragement to those who
are not only calling for the overthrow of

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Vineta Yahu's coalition government recently elected with
the Democratic majority exactly, but actually saying

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that there should be a civil war
to accomplish this, and even the assassination

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of the Prime Minister and members of
his cabinet. This is unconscionable in the

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idea that the United States government has
anything to do with this is reprehensible in

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the extreme, and I think strategically
of the malfeasant, but it's encouraging the

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Biden teams friends in Iran to think, I believe that they can act with

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impunity against Israel now, which is
again strategically disastrous obviously for the people of

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Israel, but I believe for us
as well. You know, Frank,

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I was a little confused frankly uh
with the relationship with with Biden and net

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and Yahoo. I mean you mentioned
the Obama years, Gosh. I remember

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it was quite stark when Benjamin Nintyah
was almost snuck through the back door.

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I mean, he wasn't respected.
I kind of right, exactly. And

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so it's almost like today they look
at Benjamin net Yah, who as if

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he's you know, he's wearing a
maga hat or something. I hate him.

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They hate him, and they hate
the course correction that he's trying to

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make with respect to Israel's policies,
and in particular, the thing that is

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infuriating the most is that Benjamin nah
who sought a mandate from the Israel people

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to reform a runaway rogue judiciary.
I mean the whole idea of checks and

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balances that we're familiar with in our
constitution has been completely thrown out of the

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window by this same Chief Justice that
fell about them, the baraque As I

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recall who essentially interesting. Right,
We're going to tell you what laws you

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can pass, and we'll uphold them, and we'll reject them, or we'll

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just write our own. And that
creates an opportunity for the democracy to be

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restored to Israel. And the left
doesn't want any part of that. And

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their friends in the United States are
helping them try to countermand or in fact

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destroy democracy in Israel, and they
mustn't be allowed to get away with it,

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especially with our help. Yeah exactly. I mean, of all people,

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here's here's our number one ally in
the Middle East worldwide, right exactly.

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Yeah, this is but this has
been and I think it. I

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know, it's like everything that has
to do with Democratic Party and Joe Biden

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and Barack Obama is that people's eyes
are slowly but surely waking up to this

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reality, Frank, because you can't
even imagine that they would do this.

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And I think, you know,
I was surprised at the lack of interest

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and inquiry from the mainstream media to
note how Benjamin yet Yahoo was being treated

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during the Obama years. Right,
Well, again, this is where you

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come in, Bill, and those
of us you know, offering insights and

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most especially analysis that they're not our
folks are not getting otherwise. And that's

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partly because the left controls the media, and the Chinese Covenist Party, by

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the way, controls a good chunk
of it, and they want to suppress

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this kind of information. I believe
you're right that Americans eyes are opening,

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but still too few of us really
understand what we're seeing exactly there. Maybe

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it's like the old story about a
group of blind people trying to figure out

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what an elephant is. You know, one's got the trunk, one's got

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the tail. Does. But the
truth of the matter is, once we

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start having the dots connected, and
if I may say, that's what we're

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trying to do with this book.
The indictment is connect the dots so that

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people can not only make sense of
it, but can exercise what our founders

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gave us as our constitutional right as
well as responsibility, which is to get

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those representing us to make the sorts
of course corrections that are vitally needed at

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this moment, and so many of
these issues domestic end for By the way,

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we're back with you. Bill Martinez here

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with Frank Gaffney, the executive chair
and founder of the Center for Security Policy,

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author of the new book The Indictment, Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and

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Friends for crimes against America, China, and the world. Frank, the

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indictment. You know, of course, this week we've heard a lot about

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the indictment. We had an indictment
take place in Miami. You know the

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difference between Jack Smith's indictment and this
one here is the facts that you lay

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out in your book are empirical evidence
that you know what the Chinese has done.

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And like any indictment that begins with
a grand jury, you have done

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the hard work and you've laid out
the case. And what I'm hearing from

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people who've read this book, they
tell me over and over again what a

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service this is to them. And
they say, Bill, I didn't know

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this. I said, this is
why you need to read the book,

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and you need to get it to
the rest of your friends because we need,

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we need an intellectual electorate. We
have been purposely dumbed down and manipulated

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by the bureaucrats that when they scare
the holy what have you out of us,

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which they did for two and a
half years, it gives them room

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to assume power and to do things
that viole late our constitutional principles. Right,

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absolutely right, and in fact,
the fourth charge in this indictment,

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this Bill of Particulars, if you
will, speaks directly to that point.

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As you know, it talks about
the biological warfare attack that the Chinese communists

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waged against us as an example of
the war crimes we've been subjected to by

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these guys for decades. And again, going back to what we were talking

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about, I'm not sure whether it's
an intellectual audience. We need people with

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common sense. Unfortunately, Americans are
imbued with it, I think in abundance.

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It's just that it has been dumb
down or suppressed or worse. It

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goes back to what we talked about
earlier, Bill about the elite capture the

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people that we have entrusted with the
responsibility to run things you know, political

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system, our businesses, academia or
whatever. And we did so on the

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basis that they would look out for
our interests, especially those we elected to

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represent us. They've been letting us
down, I think in part because it

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serves their interests having been captured,
not to have anybody alive to the implications

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of that, especially if you think
about it, and this just you know,

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it's kind of makes people's heads explode. We may well be as a

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result of these decades of unrestricted warfare
of the pre kinetic kind as they call

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it, at the cusp of a
shooting war, the old fashioned kind of

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war with the Chinese Communist Party.
I think all of this has emboldened Jijingping

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enormously. And it's by the way, not just aimed at Taiwan. I

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think I want exactly us as well. But here's the kicker. Could it

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possibly be that in such a time
as this, with that in prospect,

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the mander in chief of the United
States military would actually be a controlled asset

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of the Chinese Communist Party. As
one of my intelligence officer friends it is,

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called him. I think that's intolerable, and I hope that he said,

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Frank, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
to interrupt you for just a second.

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But look at what General Millie said, what he said during the Trump

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the waning months, that if he
sensed anything was going he was going to

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communicate to the communist Chinese give him
my heads up. How is that not

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treason us? It is treasonous.
But unfortunately it's just one example, and

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I think there are large numbers of
them in this book. And by the

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way, just to your audience,
because it's obviously following you, it's it's

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pretty clued up. And whether it's
intellectual, or whether it's common sensical,

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or whether it's just plain smart commendment. But what this book has been made

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possible by is a series of webinars, some seventy of them at the time

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we went to press. I think
it's up to about one hundred of them

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all told, that have drilled down
on two really critical issues is what is

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unrestricted warfare? What do the Chinese
mean when they say that's what they're going

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to engage in against us? How
have they waged it? What has the

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toll that's been taken been? And
secondly, who has been helping them do

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it? Right here in the United
States? And once you have your head

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sort of around that's what we're up
against, that's what is being done to

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us. Then understanding this is a
series of well crimes against humanity, yes,

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but also war crimes against our country
that have to be prosecuted at least,

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as I say, in the court
of public opinion, then you start

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looking for what we have twenty specific
items listed in the section about action steps

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that are vitally required as part of
that course correction that I talked about earlier.

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Well, let's drill down a little
bit on the twenty action steps.

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And you know, I'm I'm a
preto principal guy. You know, I

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believe in the preto principle that you
know, twenty percent will give you eighty

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percent of the yield. What are
the most critical things that you know,

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maybe represent that low hanging fruit that
just about most of our listeners and every

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American citizens say, you know,
Frank, I could do that. Yeah,

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well they can do it, I
think to some extent in their own

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right. They can help with it, for sure. You've mentioned, you

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know, getting this book not only
read themselves, but also to their friends

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and to those elected representatives. By
the way, But here's the first order

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business, we have to understand that
we are at war not because we wanted

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to be, but because the Chinese
Commentist Party is determined to govern the world

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and has to take us out to
do that. Once you understand that,

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then the first of the action items
that flow from it is we have to

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get on a war footing, because
if we are to deter this thing from

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getting even worse and hopefully limit the
damage that's currently being done. Well,

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and it's just a scadded point real
quick, because when you say get on

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a war footing, this is so
important because this is where America made a

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mistake in Ukraine. We saw what
the Russians were doing. They weren't going

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out there for a weenie roast.
In order to execute a military mission,

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you have to have a supply chain. There are obvious movements and things that

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come into place, and so what
you're saying is, look at you got

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to think about it, right,
So where's our supply chain to defend us

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and to reinforce what needs to be
reinforced so that we can defeat this enemy.

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Yeah, well, it goes back
to what we talked about a moment

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ago. Some in those elites,
particularly in the business sector, of the

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financial sector that have had an interest
in making money with and in China have

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betrayed us by creating supply chain dependencies
on everything from medicine to chips to flat

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screens, now increasingly energy, because
we've decided we don't want to be energy

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independent, we want to rely on
them for energy. I mean, these

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are things that we cannot possibly survive
without, and by virtue of them being

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supply chains from China, we will
almost certainly be denied them at some point,

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if not in the very near future, under very bad circumstances. But

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the third and the key of all
of the action items that I think we've

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got to fix because everything else gets
easier if we do, you say,

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the twenty percent solution here, we
have to remove from positions of power and

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influence, those who are working for
the Chinese Communist Party, those friends,

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those who are captured cannot be anywhere
near places like defending our country because they

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cannot be relied upon to do so
faithfully. Yeah, exactly, you're exactly

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right. So twenty percent of these
twenty action items can give us eighty percent

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of the yield. And it's amazing
because it's like it's snowball. It has

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its own inertia, and it will
it will carry us over, you know,

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that critical area that we need to
be in order to we get in

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order that we can be in the
position to reclaim our country, right,

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Frank, Amen, And that's really
what's at the part of what's the stake?

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Care? Yes, it is our
country. And as I said,

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going back to Ronald Reagan, that
famous line about every generation facing an existential

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threat, he finished it with this
phrase, which I think is so compelling,

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and it certainly has imprinted on me, and it has guided us in

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this book, and I'm sure you
know it. Bill. He said,

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if we do not do our part
in defending our country against an existential threat,

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to free him in our time and
pass it on to our children to

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do the same, we will spend
our sunset years, as he put it,

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telling our children and our children's children
what it was like to live in

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America when men were free. I
don't want to live that way, and

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I don't think you do either,
No, not at all. It sounds

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like a pathetic scene from the you
know, from the play Camelot. Frank

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Evney, I've got to go to
break, We've got more from Frank.

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We're talking more about his book The
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with Frank Gaffney continues as he's mentioned, you know a lot about what we've

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been discussing really is common sense,
and I think this is what is really

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messing up with the heads of American
citizens today is going why would we give

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up energy and dependence? Is?
What is the intellectual result of opening up

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our borders? Is? What is
the benefit for America to anger allies?

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What is the benefit for us to
leave Afghanistan in the manner in which we

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left? And let me say,
you know, what is the benefit to

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we the people? When you have
the sons and daughters of some key elected

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officials like our president Nancy Pelosi,
the former Leader of the House, Mitt

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Romney, the Senator John Kerry,
former Secretary of State. That's just to

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name these four. What are the
odds of four people all having their children

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working for Ukrainian gas companies. Frank
Gafney, I'll tell you, common sense

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would say, there, you know, there's a reason why he had to

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take us off of oil, and
I believe it was to advance his benefit

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with the Ukrainian oil companies and probably
other other oil companies yet to be determined

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and discovered that they have ties and
capturings not only upon the elected officials,

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but on the princelings their children that
Miranda Divine talks about. Right, you're

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so right. Let me just put
a gloss on what you just said,

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which I think was incredibly insightful and
important. I believe Bill that if you

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look at every policy of the Biden
administration, or if you will, the

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Obama Biden administration of three point zero, right, it's got two things in

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common. Every one of them has
been bad for America, and every one

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of them has benefited the Chinese Communist
Party. Now there may be others who

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have been benefiting too, Barisma's Ukraine, oligarchs and so on. But fundamentally,

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I think whatever is bad for America
and benefits bad guys elsewhere is ultimately

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beneficial to the Chinese Communist Party as
well. And you're right again to the

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extent that Americans have the common sense
and the open mindedness, and frankly the

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comfort level to think about these kinds
of problems, because it's becoming increasingly uncomfortable

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to think about them, let alone
talk about them, to say nothing of

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00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:52.400
challenge them, because that gets you
censored. That may get you the January

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00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.880
sixth treatment. If you're not careful, you could be a domestic terrorist.

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If you even think these in politics, you're not with the program. It

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certainly can get you purged from the
United States military, that's for sure.

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So you put it all together,
and you realize that if let's just do

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a thought experiment, if somebody like
Jujing Ping had his way and wanted to

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have people in the United States government
doing his bidding, is there anything that

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Joe Biden is doing that wouldn't be
on that list exact Honestly, I can't

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think of a thing. Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's a designed infrastructure.

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It's been well established. As you
point out, Frank, this has been

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going on for decades. This didn't
happen just you know, in the recent

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years. It's going on for a
long time, this progressive slow march that

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Gigene Ping and the communists, they
knew this wasn't going to be an overn

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ideal, especially with the ambition that
they wanted to do a regime change without

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a single shot. And how close
are they right now in being able to

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affect that. Well, they did
it already. Yeah, they took out

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Donald Trump with that biological warfare attack, I would argue, and again I

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mentioned earlier, Villain, I just
want to present it to your audience as

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a resource. The seventy or so
webinars that I talked about that went into

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this book are all available for free
at present danger China dot org. In

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fact, if you buy the book
in the back, we've got all of

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them listed and QR codes that will
allow you to pop them up. But

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the main thing is that you can
get a I don't know, a graduate

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level course, maybe a PhD.
Is the problem that we're talking about here.

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Just by exposing yourself to the full
content of these really remarkable I'm a

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little close to it. I moderate
them all, but I got to tell

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you I've learned a tremendous amount from
the experts we've tapped. And once you've

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got this information, you know,
it's like the old roshock test. Once

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you see that that's not a young
lady, that's an old woman in a

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chair, you can't unsee it.
And once you know what we are confronting,

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once you understand that we are at
war again, not because we've sought

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it, but because the Chinese Communists
have had it as their objective from the

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get go, then you realize that
we cannot continue to pretend that everything is

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okay, that even if it doesn't
make sense, or even if it's actually

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a little worrying, that it's something
that we don't need to worry ourselves about

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wrong. We have to and more
than the point, we do need to

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engage those As I said earlier,
you can do some things about this yourself,

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just by getting actively involved and getting
your friends, your family, your

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business associates, your community engaged.
But at some point there are things that

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we have to do as a nation, and that requires all of us pulling

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together and especially those we elect to
represented leaders exactly one at a time.

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And you know, be that change
that you want to see. I like

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what Jordan Peterson had to say,
Frank, is that we can become so

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ideologically fixed that we render ourselves stupid, We let go of common sense.

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And I see that disease that's happening, and I feel for people because we've

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all been there. At times when
we get on the other side of it,

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we go, how did we get
that? Why did we insist on

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our rightness as opposed to objective truth? But look at I have a lot

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of faith in the American people as
you do. The interaction is rich and

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we're getting there. I often tell
my children experience defines preference. We've had

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a lot of experience, and I
think that we need to come back.

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One of the other key things that
is coming to mind is we need to

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study the legitimate. We need to
fall of the lead of bankers. I

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00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.199
tell people on the show, you
bankers, when they're looking at money,

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they don't study the counterfeit. They
study the legitimate, so that when the

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00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:02.559
counterfeit comes, it comes out so
clear. Like you said, it's just

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so obvious. And that's what we
need to do as a country is study

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the legitimate of democracy. And this
democratic republic is such a degree that anything

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else that comes in through the side
door, we're going to kick it out

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and not pay attention to it because
we know it doesn't have it doesn't have

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veritas's there's no benefit, you know, for we the people. This is

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such an important insight. Could I
just, you know, sort of do

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a variation on the theme. Yeah. I think that one of the most

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important parts of the strategy that my
former boss executed brilliantly, and I was

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able to play a small role in
it. I would probably say, in

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terms of taking down his times existential
threat to freedom, namely the Soviet Union,

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was the emphasis he placed on delegitimating
the Soviet Communist Party and the evil

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empire that misruled and having done that. I think he's shown the way for

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us in our time to help demonstrate
to the people of China with whom I

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think we have no quarrel. In
fact, they've been even more badly treated

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by the Chinese Communist Party than we
have, by some estimates, one hundred

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million of them. And when I
say them, I mean not just the

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Chinese Han, I mean as well
the Tibetans, the Bakers, the Southern

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Chamalions, the hang Kars that they've
enslaved, But most of them are Han

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Chinese, by the way, one
hundred millions, and by the way,

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that doesn't even count the four hundred
million that the Chinese Communist Party boasts of

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murdering in the womb as part of
their population control. There's never been a

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tyrannical regime on the face of the
earth. You could put all of the

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00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.719
rest of them together, and they
don't compare the murderous character of this one.

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But the point is, the Chinese
Communist Party knows that the people of

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China have to be brutally repressed in
order to continue to tolerate or at least

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allow them to run the country exactly. That is a basis upon which we

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can as I say, make common
cause. And the way to do this,

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I think in our time is to
describe the Chinese Communist Party as what

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they are, which is really not
so much a political party or even a

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government. It's a transnational criminal organization. Hence it is subject to prosecution for

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war crimes, yes, as well
as crimes against humanity, at the very

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least in the court of public opinion. But hopefully if we pursue this properly,

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they're designated as such, and then
there become vehicles like oh, the

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00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:04.039
Rico statutes that can be used actually
by individual citizens to be causes bring causes

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of action against the Chinese and their
enablers in our own country. They're accomplices

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after all in such personal activity.
Well, you're exactly right, Frank,

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because a majority of the American people
are going when are we going to hold

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00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:22.639
China accountable for COVID. Frank Gaffney
is the founder and executive chair of the

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00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:29.639
Center for Security Policy and nonpartisan organization
the Champions Peace through Through Strength. He's

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00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.039
the vice chair of the Committee on
the Present Danger of China and the host

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00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.039
of Securing America With Frank Gaffney,
It's a daily TV program on the Real

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00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.880
America's Voice network. You're also heard
on radio as well, so you're everywhere.

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Well they feel that way sometimes,
but hopefully I'm where it matters.

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00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.280
And thanks Stem and you. I'm
on a program that matters a lot,

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00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.000
and I appreciate so much your time. Bill Well, God bless you.

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00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.880
Frank Gaffney. I appreciate it.
Thank you so much for being with us.

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It's an honor to have you here
on our show. That's going to

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00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.519
be a rap for us. I
do want to thank Frank Gaffney for joining

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00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.239
us. I want to thank you
for joining us and listening in and joining

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00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:19.400
in on this mighty Martinis movement to
save this country. Until tomorrow, take

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00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:20.719
care of godspeed, my friends,