Abortion Enshrined in Ohio; Peril for Unborn in Va., Ky., and Penn

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0:53 Was it about money? The fact that you know, those that were for pro abortion spent those promoting life. I don't know, I've heard numbers anywhere from ten to fifteen to one differential. Was it that? You know what happened? Rebecca Terrell is back with us. She's a senior editor and contributor to the New American magazine, and she reports that the Ohio state Constitution will soon have a new amendment establishing a supposed individual right to abortion I was passed by a simple majority of voters in the Buckeye state, Ohio's radical Issue one defines a person's so called right to reproductive medical treatment, including but not limited to abortion. Current law in Ohio permits abortion up to twenty weeks because the state's Heartbeat Bill, which went into effect last year with the demise of Roe v. Wade, which has been tied up in litigation ever since.

1:51 So what happened two weeks ago? Rebecca Torrell, Rebecca Terrell, were welcome to the show. Good to have you back with us. How are you. Thank you so much. Bill, It's great to be back with you, great to see you. Well, help us understand what happened, because people are still scratching their heads and wondering what happened that Ohio would go, you know, to embrace such radical bill here. Well, yeah, because at worst Ohio is a purple state, it certainly tends towards the red, and so for something like that to happen, especially because we have to remember, this isn't just an abortion amendment. This is, like you just read, it deals with reproductive medical treatment, including, but not limited to abortion.

2:36 And it even includes all of this gender dysphoria surgeries, taking away you know, children, children deciding for themselves. It's taking away parental consent for all of these gender surgeries, for abortion, for contraception. Basically, it cuts parents out of decisions for minors in these areas. And you know, you say it's reproductive medical treatment. That can you know, a doctor can define anything that he wants, you know, an unscrupulous doctor. That's why it's so dangerous to have these laws and states, even in pro life states, that say except for the health of the mother. Well, of course, the health of the mother is always a consideration with a doctor, it's the primary consideration. In fact, Obgen's that I've talked with explained to me that in their practice they have a unique practice because they don't just deal with one patient. They have two patients, mother and baby, and so their point always is to maintain utmost health for both of those patients. But in situations like, for instance, a miscarriage where the baby can't or an a topic pregnancy, or the baby implants in an area other than the womb, which is fatal to the mother if not taken care of, those are not those are considered extreme. Uh, those are considered the situations where you you know what the outcome is of it will be and the point is to save

4:08 the life of the mother. So when you put this loophole in an abortion law that says except for the health of the mother, an unscrupulous physician can say, oh, this this, this has to do with the health, even the psychological that was going to say, and you got the mental health criteria coming into play right, exactly exactly so. And you know, it was only about one hundred years ago that our country, every single state in our country had pro life laws on the books. Absolutely it identified abortion as heinous, It identified it as something that was absolutely we we don't allow that on our soil, you know. And now the travesty of Ohio enshrining it in its foundational document. It's not just a law that can be easily overturned later. This is in This is a minis to the constitution of the state, a foundational document. I interviewed a very interesting lady recently. Bell Her name is doctor Linda Royal. She's written a book called Sacrifice the Abortion Conspiracy, and it's really a retelling of her doctoral thesis research. She wanted to find out how our country switched from that very pro life, staunchly pro life across the board, to now claiming that abortion is somehow a woman's right, which means murder is a woman right. And that's the thing that bothers me, Rebecca, is that when do you have where's to say in our constitution

5:41 you have a right to kill anybody, right exactly, even and especially someone who is so defenseless as an unborn child. What are they guilty of? And what is that born child guilty of that they deserve death? Exactly? What are they guilty of? And people say, oh, accepting cases of rape and and sasts, it's not the baby's fault. And you know, there's a beautiful option available that is adoption. In fact, I have a sister who has taken advantage of that three times wow, and to increase her family. And I have another sister who has also increased her family one time through that option. There are so many people who cannot have children on their own, and they desperately want to increase their families and they would love to.

6:29 In fact, I have a very good friend who you know, he petitions at the abortion mills around town, and he will offer to He hollers out to people, I will pay for all your expenses. Please let me adopt your baby, Please let me take your There was a lady who took him up on it one time years ago. He has an adult daughter, she's now an adult who he adopted because of that outreach. So you know, it's certainly it's there. And you know what, Bill too, This is a very sensitive issue, I think with a lot of people. I don't want to I want everyone to know there are there is something like one in four women have had at least one abortion in their lives. So you know, people without knowing it, you know people who have had abortions.

7:16 And I do want to stop right now and say we are not talking about this in a way that condemns anyone. A lot of a lot of women who have had abortions are now stricken by horrible grief and guilt, and this is something that you do. You have. There are outreaches. Rachel's Vineyard is one of the most popular ones where you can go and find healing. And you know there are also incredibly there are many people who have come out now who have actually survived abortion babies who survived abortion, and they are the Abortion Survivors Network. It's a it's a group now that's formed by one of them and is gaining members every year. And every one of them that I've ever heard interviewed or interviewed myself, has been full of nothing but forgiveness and love for their birth and mother. So there's a lot of there's a lot at play here. But I do and I don't want to downgrade, downplay the fact that yes, abortion is murder right, but a lot of women, especially young women, feel like they have their backs against a wall.

8:24 They don't know about the pregnancy resource centers that are out there, which not only help a woman throughout her pregnancy, but also after her pregnancy and with future pregnancies if needed. A lot of a lot of So you know, we need to we need to be very I want to be very sensitive to people who are suffering from the guilt and remorse and the horror of past abortion and let them know that there are certainly solutions. And I'm glad, I'm glad you addressed that, because that's not the heart of the show, and certainly not the heart of the show's host. Here. I have, you know, an enormous amount of compassion because we've all been touched by abortion in one form or another. We have I think just about in every family around the country, there are people missing from celebrations as a result of abortions, grandkids that are no more, children that are more. The other thing too to address here, Rebecca, is that you know, we talk about women quite often, and more and more men are realizing the horror of abortion and realizing that they bought into a lie and what really to me, the impetus of the reversal of Roe v. Wade was a groundswell. It was an organic movement based on forty nine years of experience by those women and some men,

9:56 but mostly women, who were told that it would be rare, it would be safe, and after forty nine years the data did not indicate their own personal experience did not indicate then it was safe and it was rare. Were I think we're over one hundred million abortions, including chemical abortions, that have taken place. The chemical abortions, to me, are even more horrific because it's one thing to have a procedure in a facility like planned parenthood, another another deal altogether. When you're doing it in your own bathroom and the fetus is, you know, deposited in your toilet, I don't know how you unsee that, and how you managed to dispose of that child, of that baby. Of course, you know, in order to kind of callous over and blunt the emotion, they want to refer to it as a fet It's not a baby, you know. So we get into a lot of word games. But the fact of the matter is, and again this is what ignited this organic movement, is people stop lying to themselves, they stop buying into the line, realizing, oh my god, my child is no more. Absolutely and you know, I can tell you too. I used to be a nurse. I have an an active nursing license now because I haven't practiced in a number of years. But I do say that I will say that in my nursing experience, I found out and during school that at

11:26 the moment of conception, there are a lot of changes that take place in a woman's body. Of course, but one of the things that happens is that fertilized egg there is a protective coating I think of protein that forms around it. If it does not form the mother's immune system will identify that as a foreign object and try to get rid of it. Right, there is the answer, So we when life begins, because if the mother's immune system is identifying that as a foreign object, that's not part of her body, that's a separate individual will now and then once the egg implant, well, I shouldn't say egg, because it's not an egg anymore because it's fertilized. That once the zygote implants on the mother's womb, there are a number of other shutdowns that naturally happen in her body, in her immune system, to keep her immune system from attacking that what would otherwise be identified as a foreign object. So it's fascinating. The whole process of pregnancy is extremely fascinating.

12:26 And I also think it's very important to point out most obie gens will not perform abortions. I interviewed Christina Francis, who's the president of the American Association of Pro Life Obstetricians and Kinnecologists, and she said that more than eighty percent of obe gen's have never performed abortions, and those who do often are in the industry only for a very short time. Because when you perform abortions, even if their early term, you have to count body parts when they come out. You can't finish up the procedure on a woman because if anything's left inside that is, that can cause an infection and she can die. So you have to count body parts, and you can't count body parts for very long without realizing this isn't just a clump of cells. This is another human being and I have ended its life. And you know, we also have to look at the cases like, for instance, Kermit Gosnell, who is now serving several life sentences for murder of the he was performing late term abortions in his abortion melon. I think it was Philadelphia, right, and I think it's too So he's serving life sentences for doing what is now going to be legal in Ohio, which interestingly, that amendment, by the way, takes effect thirty days after the election, which happens to fall on Pearl Harbor

14:01 Day this year, which I think is just tainous. You know, these are our men gave gave their lives so we could maintain our freedom as Americans, except those who are unborn. But but you know, going back to the to the point of it's it's such hypocrisy because like recently I lived in Memphis, Tennessee, and recently there was a man who was convicted of murder. He had shot I think it was his girlfriend or maybe his wife, but she was pregnant and he killed not only her, but he killed the unborn baby too, and he was tried on two counts of murder, not one. So when it's convenient, the unborn baby is a human being who's subject to the rights under the fourteenth Amendment. But when it's not convenient, like for the people in Ohio, but their and by the way too, I just want I want to say another thing that has has kind of come up. You know, we see that Joe Biden is going down down downtown in the polls right now, and the Democrats are kind of scurrying a little bit because they don't exactly like RFK Junior. I mean, he's great for them when it comes to climate change, right because he touts that line.

15:13 But then when it comes to vaccines, oh, he's he fell off the Democrat wagon. You know, he's not a good guy. So you know, who are they? They ought he would be a winner because he's good. He's gaining popularity because of that vaccine stance. But now you still won't give him any security detail though I know, isn't that well it shows that a heartless and sensitivity. But at the same time, we do see Joe Biden's mental decline. I mean, we see this, it's evident. We don't need a doctor to tell us when we see it happening. So, you know, we have a very weak The Democrats have a very weak candidate here, so they have to kind of divert attention, and I see them diverting it to abortion. Rovy Wade was overturned. So now we have to take it to the States, and this is the big issue. This is going to be the big issue for twenty twenty four. I'm not altogether certain that the the elections are that the twenty twenty election was the only one that was perhaps rife with fraud. I mean, think about it, thanks, let's talk about this hypothetically. Sixty one percent of the people believe, you know, it's still a mystery. So the fact that we can't answer that question definitively, and we just have to take the talking heads words for it, because they'll say to you, Rebecca, are you going to tell me that Joe Biden wasn't elected legitimately, you know, And they posed the question

16:45 in such a way that, you know, if you want to have contention, you know, you give an honest answer. And I say, I don't know. That's the problem. I don't know in sixty one percent of America doesn't know. So are we wrong for not knowing exactly? And it's the same exact thing that Democrats were squawking about after the twenty sixteen election, which they very surprisingly lost. And I say, I did everything to rig and interfere with Thank you very much. I keep saying, I'm going to send a bill to Hillary Clinton. I want my money back, you know, for all the payer money that she cost us by lying and lying to the American people and then getting the Justice Department involved under Russian collusion. I think somebody owes us some money. What do you think? Absolutely, you're absolutely right. And you know another thing about Ohio, I just cannot believe that parents would vote their own consent over their minor children's medical matters, that they would vote that away from themselves. Was that part of bill written in small type, Rebecca, or did the make it really known? Or was the messaging so much about abortion that it drowned out the other the other issues.

18:07 Well, that absolutely could be the case. A lot of people don't bother paying attention. But really, you're going to vote something into your state's constitution and you haven't your you don't know enough to know that it's voting away all parental consent for any medical reproductive matters. You know. That's another thing that just chaps my high is that pregnancy is not a disease, you know, and it's seen by and by this cohort as they try to make it out to be a disease. And I truly believe, I don't believe this country has changed that much from one hundred years ago as far as this issue is concerned. Parents still want to and I want to and I want to go back and talk about that book in just a minute, because we we went through it. It's important what you said on that, but only to uh, you know, put a bow around this situation. I mean, how disingenuous that they would allow, uh you know, that that the election procedure would allow for confusion in a bill to present to the people that was kind of a slide of hand deal. We're gonna we're gonna talk about abortion.

19:18 They knew that was the headline, and underneath it and behind it all, we're gonna sneak in the gender dysphoria agenda. And uh and and deprive a parent. I mean, what what parent? I mean, look what happened in Virginia. Virginia, they tried to do that, and uh, you know, you got rid of a Democratic governor and you got a Republican governor now right for that same reason that you tried to take the the parent's choice and decision out of education. So how much more important if you were that upset about it in education, how much more would you have been upset about, you know, altering your child's gender that right now exactly. And you know, Virginia is another place that where on the seventh of this month we had we had travesty. The Democrats have taken control of both houses of that Congress, so that, yes, Glenn Youngkin is not going to be able to probably pursue his plans to be an abortion after fifteen weeks, which again I say, what's wrong with banning it at all? But why why suddenly at fifteen weeks this this whole idea of this age of viability is actually not a medical thing. Bill. It's not a medical term. It's a legal term. It's something that the Supreme Court justices came up with when they when they foisted Roe v. Wade on this country. You know, I

20:48 have an interesting personal story about that too. It was I was born prior to the passage of Roe v. Wade. I won't say how much. How much prior to it, but not by much. But I was my mother's second and she had what's called the rh factor, which means that you have one child and then the other children are supposedly going to die because of this rh factor. And her doctor advised her of that. He said, this child is going to die, so I would advise you to terminate the pregnancy early. And being the good Irish Catholic that she was, she said, oh, oh no, you don't, and so she got herself another doctor. And here I am, and I have two younger sisters as well.

21:33 But you know, even back prior to Roe v. Wade, doctors were already advising and already performing abortions for reasons such as that, which ended up being a non reason because obviously I'm here, so you know, all of these things about the health that when you hear them refer to reproductive health, you know, right there, boom, that is a code word. It's an Orwellian code word for a murder, right, because sterilization is involved in this amendment, contraception is involved in this amendment, and all of the gender transition surgeries and all of that. They're all involved in this amendment to the Constitution. And isn't there a liability proviso in it as well? Is that you can't hold the doctor's libel for anything that they do, right exactly, And you know what, it shouldn't come as a surprise to us that it's worded this way. I'm going to read. The name of this amendment is so Orwellian. It's called the Right to Reproductive Freedom with Protections for Health and Safety. So I mean, right there, loophole, loophole, loophole, loophole just in the name alone. But guess who drafted the verbiage of this amendment. The Ohio chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU was founded back in eight in nineteen twenty by a Christian socialist named by the

23:07 name of Reverend Harry Ward and he was a Methodist. I think he was a Methodist minister. He was also identified later in congressional testimony by Manning Johnson, who had been a Communist agent and defected and revealed a lot of information to Congress about Communist work in this country at that time, and he said that Harry Ward had been the primary instigator of the infiltration of communists and two American seminaries. And I'm talking about seminaries of a lot of different denominations, not just Catholic, not just Methodists, but a lot of different denominations.

23:52 And the ACLU. Also Congress, our own Federal House of Representatives identified the ACLU in nineteen thirty eight, it wasn't even twenty years old, and it identified it as a Communist front organization. In the nineteen twenties, the legislature in New York had identified the ACLU as a Communist front organization. And it has certainly not gotten better since. Of course it works for civil rights. But again we're talking, you know, we're talking a communities kind of a civil rights where you know, one, my rights are you know, everybody has rights, but my rights are more important than your rights. Yeah.

24:34 I like how you say communies. It is about language, isn't it. And that's what they've done again in not being truthful about you know, the amendment in Ohio and what is going on in Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania as well. The language is very deceptive and dishonoring, you know, to the American people and to the voters there because because it's a classic case of manipulation of the voters. And here you are, as you mentioned in Ohio, this is locked down. I mean, it's almost going to take an act of God or that the people there in Ohio wake up and just say look it. This is just flat out wrong. You know. I'm just I'm just not going to participate in this because it's wrong on so many levels.

25:22 I do want to go back Rebecca Teraroll, Rebecca Teraroll's Our Guests, by the Way, and senior editor and contributor to The New American magazine, And I wanted to go back to the book that you drew attention to earlier in terms of the study of America and what happened, you know, one hundred years ago unthinkable. Suddenly there was a paradigm shift, and not only did it become thinkable then it became an act, right absolutely Well, like I said, it was Linda Royal and it's a fascinating book. I'd recommend it to anyone. It's called Sacrifice, the Abortion Conspiracy. And she in the course of her doctoral thesis work, she wanted to find out how you know who She always she looks to media as kind of leading the way, and you know, that's that's very true. The media. The media does tell us what to think, not how to think. And so she she was focusing naturally on Margaret Sanger, who was the founder of Planned Parenthood, which is the leading organization for abortion in this country, by the way, a very profit driven organization. Five oh one C three is a tax is a tax status. It doesn't have anything to do with a business plan. And so the abortion in this country is extremely an extremely lucrative industry and people need to realize that that's it's money that's behind all of this. But it's not

26:56 about it's not about women's healthcare. I mean, that's all another part of the RUS too, where they report back to Congress that ninety seven percent of their budget goes to women's healthcare, you know, and only three percent to abortion. I think those numbers are upside down. I think so, well, women's healthcare okay again Orwellian because because pregnancy is not a disease. And yeah, the three percent to abortion, I find that difficult to swallow as well. But but regardless, Okay, So what doctor Royal discovered she landed on a mentor. Margaret Sanger had become a mentor to a man by the name of Lawrence Later and he was the founder of Narrow Pro Choice America, which is an extremely pro abortion, extremely feminist, anti woman feminist organization.

27:53 Again that Orwellian, Oh, we're here to help women. No, no, you're here too, you know, make abortion the law of the land. And he had sealed within thirty days of the handing down of rov Wade in January of nineteen seventy three, he took all of Margaret Sanger's documents and writings and diaries and even her daily you know, calendars and things and had them sealed. They had become very good friends, and he had possession of all of that and all of his writings too. He took them, put them in the New York State Library Archives and had them sealed under lock and key for the best he could get was twenty five years. He wanted to have them sealed in perpetuity, but in her investigations she actually went there.

28:45 Even after they were unsealed after twenty five years, no one had yet accessed them because they were very specific criteria you had to meet. You couldn't just be somebody like me who would walk in off the street, or a journalist or somebody. You had to be working with a university grant under you know, for a for an educational endeavor. And that's what she was doing. She was working and probably prone to abortion. You couldn't you couldn't be anti abortion have access to those documents, right, And her I mean her thesis was rather innocuous, was because she was just trying to investigate, okay, what changed in the media narrative to change America from pro life to pro death right, but she didn't say pro death from pro life to pro abortion.

29:32 Yes, it was a rather innocuous sounding thesis. So yes, she was able to access those and she knows she is the first person who laid eyes on these documents because she broke the seals on the boxes. And so that book is about what she discovered, and she discovered. What she discovered was used by the attorneys in the Dobs case, which is the case which overturned Rov. Wade last summer, and every single point that those jobs attorneys made, they used some of her research in all of their arguments. One thing that Justice Roberts said, Doctor Royal told me, he said this, I don't know if he said it to the attorneys or to her directly, but that he has never seen such a travesty of justice in all his days on the bench, because those documents revealed that only the narrow attorney advised the Supreme Court on Roe v. Wade. He was the only one. It was this extreme conflict of interest, right, yeah, very very telling what happened.

30:37 And she said that you know, of course we know too. Again going back to that age of viability, that's something that they made up, and it's something that has changed over the years since nineteen seventy three. Don't you think we have a little bit better? Well? And you think so with the latest I mean sonogram. That's why they don't want women to see the sonogram of their baby right right right exactly, because you can see the little hands, and you can see the heart beat and you can see the mouth moving and right, you can see there's a baby in there. And that baby is not a klumpo cells. It's not part of my body. It is that is a human being who deserves a chance to live. And to think that this decision is huge as Roe v. Wade in nineteen seventy three, we're so manipulated. Wow. I mean, the blood of over one hundred million babies is on the hands of those justices and the attorneys from Nayral and those that kept the truth from the American people. So true, and you know you bring that up. The blood is on their hands.

31:49 The blood is also on their heads. I asked Linda, why did you name your book Sacrifice? That struck me as odd because what she talks about the book is very much the media narrative the legalities of what went into rov Wade. But she said the reason that she did was she found in her research too that abortion is very much akin to the child sacrifice of the you know, previous civilizations like these and Maya's and Astecs, and you know, people who would sacrifice their babies and they weren't just sacrificed. You know, we say, oh, child sacrifice. It was child sacrifice to a false god and a specific false god. I believe she named him as Moloch.

32:38 Yeah, but yeah, exactly, and so and we're talking about literal sacrifice to demons. You know, we say all their false gods, a false god is a demon. And that is what Ohio now has enshrined it constitution is demonic sacrifice. Really, there's no way around it. So, yes, the blood of those children is going to be crying to heaven for vengeance, I believe. And I don't see good things in the future for Ohio.

33:21 I do wish that our Supreme Court somehow would rule that unborn children are just as that the fourteenth Amendment applies to them, just as much as it applies to any of us. You know, if you were suddenly tied up inside inside a cage, and you know, somebody said, okay, go inside and go inside there and kill them, nobody will know that that's not right. Well, that's what we're doing to all these babies. Yeah. Well, Rebecca, what you're touching on, and what doctor Royal touched on, is the fact that this is a spiritual issue, and we're trying to solve a spiritual issue in the natural, it's impossible. You will never reach the solution, you know, at this level, And she's exactly right.

34:14 Jonathan Kahn has written a book called The Return of the Gods, and it's quite quite provocative because what it says is that we in essence and the spiritual realm, we've opened up a portal for the manifestation of these gods to come back. The Bible talks about Jesus gave a parable about the person who is demon possessed, and what happened is the demon left goes out into the desert, gets seven demons worse than we're there before, and they come and return to that body that they left, and he's seven times worse off. And what we're seeing happening in our country today, boy, you can see some peril else here. The other thing to realize. And also in his most recent book, Josiah Manifesto, he talks about where abortion, where the headquarters for abortion was and it kind of started a little bit in Hawaii, but the key gate opener was New York. Okay, New York was the first date to really make it official and legalize abortion. Well, tie this together, see what you know when you say what is the consequence here, because we're dealing with spiritual issues. Well, when the pandemic broke out in two thousand, the city that got attacked first was New York. At one point,

35:46 forty percent of the outbreak of the pandemic happened in New York. And it was interesting because at one point when abortion came out, forty percent of abortions we're done in New York. Yeah, interesting numbers that they would coincide like this. So again again just to you know, what doctor Royal's pointing to is that this is a spiritual issue. We're void of morality, and when we're void of morality, we go into the darkness and we start, as the Bible would say, we're left to our own devices, and this is where we are right now, and by our own devices, we think we're going to fix this by saying, okay, fine, well we'll let you abort your child without any conditions whatsoever. And and we're going to tryst words around to say that murdering a child, you have a right to murder your child. There's no you you know, you've got to really bend the idea and redefine what right means in order to get to that conclusion, don't you. You absolutely do, and we can. We're very clever, aren't we can. We can make excuses for a lot of anything that we want, anything that we want to But but and you know, if you do have a conscience, you have to see that as a gift from God, because God only withdraws conscience from people that he's kind of given up on, so to speak. But you know, I want to go back to I want to go back to something that you said, because yes, it is important to identify this as a spiritual battle, but it is also a temporal

37:21 battle. And God did we know that in our founding documents and well, in fact, the Declaration of Independence declares that, yes, rights come from God, but to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. And so yes, we very much do have to handle this on a government level. It needs to be that we decree that life is sacred from the beginning. You know, remember that God Jesus used the things of this earth. He would he would spit on dirt, he'd pick up dirt, spin on it, make a paste and cure the blind man. Or he would use water as the sacrament to confect the sacrament of baptism would use the things of this earth to affect the spiritual things. So we have to follow in his footsteps and our imitation of Christ on earth and use the things of this earth to affect their spiritual things. And yet, but it is at its heart it is a spiritual battle. So we also need to get rid of this false idea of this quote separation of church and state, and this, Oh, you can't legislate morality. What is legislation if it's not morality? And the option is chaos, the option is depravity. And we know that history is a series of God's chosen people falling into idolatry and licentiousness and depravity of all kind. And He allows them to be overtaken by an oppressive government and enslaved until they finally repent, you know, sacloth and ashes and all that,

38:54 and acknowledge, acknowledge their reliance on him. He humble them. We have to humble ourselves before him. We have to do penance. He calls for that. He's the same God that he was in the Old Testament. You know, we like to think God, there's this really nice guy. Well, that really nice guy asked a certain father to take a son up onto the top of a mountain and slaughter him as a sacrifice to him. So you know, that doesn't sound like a really nice guy. You know when people I don't like to hear people say, oh, I'm doing the Lord's work. How do you know? How do you know you're doing the Lord's work? You know you better be doing the Lord's work because we know what happened to the false prophets back in those days, and now here we are, we're living with the consequences of you not. First of all, misrepresenting God is an evil offense. You don't want to go there, you know at all. So you're treading on hallowed ground when you say, and God, when he judged you know, the Northern and Southern Kingdom, he indicted the prophets for claiming that thus as the Lord, when you know the Lord did not say, you know, right, And so you got to be you got to be careful if you're going to go into that part of arena when it comes to representing God. But but the challenge you have is that you know, if you want the blessings of God, then there are there are laws that we must keep you know there there is obedience to God's

40:28 commands that are not going away. You know, they have not been replaced. And God does not great on the curve. He's a just God. And you know, so this isn't you know, some sort of buffet menu that you can pick and choose what you want. It is. It is a black and white type of proposition. You either are going to choose life or you're going to choose death. So whatever choice comes your way, you need to ask yourself that critical question, Am I advancing life or am I promoting death? With the choice I'm making? Right? Absolutely right? And and two, you know the women who have been in those situations where they were contemplating abortion and they didn't do it, and they went ahead and they kept their child or they offered their child up for adoption. I've interviewed many and I've heard many interviewed who have have said, you know, it's much easier than I thought it would be. I was not ostracized by family, or if I was ostracized by family, there were others who came in and filled that gap. And we do have so many resources now, the pregnancy resource centers around this country. There's no one organization where you can, you know, go to go to a website and oh, here are all the pregnancy web pregnancy resource centers in the country. Each one is privately pretty much privately run, privately staffed. The doctors who staffed them volunteer their time.

41:52 Uh. They're wonderful resources. And they are the ones who were attacked by those groups like Jane Revenge. Uh why were they attacked. They're not anti they're not established to be anti abortion centers. That's not their purpose. Their purpose is to provide the services that women need when they don't have the options that when they feel like their backs are against the wall. And no, your back isn't against the wall. Well, we're going to walk you through this. We're going to take care of this. We're going to help you every step along the way, whether you want to keep your baby, give your baby up for adoption. They do it all, you know. And you know, another thing that women need to realize too. There's a lot of talk that since Roe v. Wade was passed, these women are having miscarriages and having to carry their babies around inside of them dead. That is a lie. There is not one abortion mill in this world that is set up to handle a miscarriage. For any miscarriage now, or pray to Roby Wade, you have to go to your doctor, you have to go to a hospital. It is a surgery. And you know, depending upon your own situation, it might be minor, it might be a major surgery.

43:12 But it is a surgery that is taken care of at If you show up in an abortion mill with a miscarriage, they're going to immediately send you to the hospital. It's not something that's handled there. So all of these lies, it's just lie upon lie upon lias. If those of us who are pro life are anti woman, and it's absolutely the opposite. See, but that's what evil is. It is a lie. And again, you know, going back, you were citing this cycle of nations in the Book of Judges, where you know the children of Israel, when they had it good, it was all going well, they started to see life according to their own eyes. They made their own choices apart from God. God would say don't do that. He would send an oppressive force to come in, put them in bondage. They would realize their evil ways, cry out to God.

44:01 God would send them a prophet deliver them things, and you know, and it's good for a while until they get back into the cycle again, all things good. They start seeing things according to their own eyes. But this is, you know, this is the human condition that we're in and it's a constant battle between good and evil. But we don't want to put it in that context for whatever reason because somehow it's going to offend people. Well, let me tell you, evil is pretty offensive. It kills lots of people, right, absolutely, absolutely absolutely, And you know this this past November seventh, this election day, it really wasn't good. It wasn't good for abortion, you know, across across the board. I mean it was, well, I should say it wasn't good for the pro life cause across the board. And that's a very odd thing to happen. And I think we all need to in our own conce stituency, in our own precinct, at the precinct level, we need to start insisting and fighting for paper ballots. And one election day, and you bring up a great point, because see this is the suspicion. You know, the numbers went in such a way to where wait a minute, what the heck happened? You know, the sentiment was such that, you know, did we have another mass manipulation of voting? Right? Listen, When I was little, I would

45:32 my mother would take me with her when she went there was those big old voting machines and you pull the lever and the curtain goes behind you. I thought it was like Wizard of Oz, right, And she would turn the little levers and I would think, as a little girl, I would think, how does she know that they're counting that? Right? Any machine you can cheat. You can cheat on an election, even with paper ballots, but it's a lot harder. And the Carter Aker Commission back in was it the eighties, the Carter Baker Commission did an extensive investigation on you know, where are the shortcomings and the weaknesses and our in our voting system and they said, one of the worst things you can do, you need to really restrict paper ballots, and you need to have you know, mail in ballots.

46:21 That's when early voting, early voting and mail in ballots, and you have to have election on one the election on one day, and very much restrict absentee ballots exactly, and that's exactly we are breaking. And they had other recommendations too, we've broken so many of them. And we also know from the conference that they have every year out in Las Vegas that was called Defcon, and they have that voting village and it's a conference of all of computer hackers. They get together and they give them all the current voting equipment, and within hours, they've all broken into the equipment. They've flipped votes, they've even pilford with it, they've even messed with the voter rolls they can get into. I mean, it's incredible. And they've been warning us about this for years. This was long before the twenty twenty election ever took place. They've been warning us. Def CON's been warning get rid of the machines. The machines are all hackable, Our elections are not secure. And then all of a sudden, in twenty twenty oh, it's the most secure election in the American history. That just flies in the face of sanity, right, it flies in the face of logical thinking. Exactly when you look at the numbers, there's no numbers really there that can substantiate that statement.

47:39 If anything, it bears more question than answer. Yes, absolutely it does. It does. See that we just flashed up the cover of the near American magazine to their and the assassination and the deep state. And you know that's another situation. Lenda B. Johnson, his hot We know his career, his political career in Texas started on a fraudulent election. We know that we know about Tammany Hall. You know why it's okay to talk about election fraud when you're talking about something that's in the past and deals with people who already did. That's okay. But oh, that kind of thing doesn't happen anymore. What Yeah, we're so sophisticated and civilized, were so naive?

48:23 Are you kidding me? Right? I mean the thirst and lust for power? Uh, you know, within the human condition is such that it has to be it has to be restricted, There has to be guardrails. If not. Sadly, you might say, we have the America that we have today, Rebecca right. And I think too that you know, going back through that history and the biblical history of the cyclical, you know, falling into slavery and then repenting and God saves us, that probably is exactly what we're doing right now. Because people never learn, you know, nothing ever changes under the sun. But it's going to take people getting uncomfortable enough to get up out of their armchairs and do something about it. And we can do something about it now because they our constitution is still in effect. And our founding fathers, our founding fathers were wonderful students of history. They knew the history of the enslavement of people by oppressive government. They tried to establish a republic, and a republic that does not top down, but bottom up.

49:31 The localities like counties and cities, tell the state what to do. The state tells the federal government what to do. Back in the day when our country was founded, very few people paid much attention to anything going on in Washington, d c. Because the only thing that the federal government was there for was to protect borders, and we were pretty good other than that states. And that's enshrined in our constitution. If we forgot to mention anything in this constitution, that's what Amendment ten says, if we forgot to mention anything here, the federal government can't do that either. So every single one of our federal bureaucratic agencies is completely unconstitutional. Most of what's coming out of Congress is unconstitutional. The John Birch Society, which is the founding organization, the parent organization of my magazine, The New American, has a Freedom Index which we score all the congressman and senators based on their constitutional and whether they're votes adhere to the Constitution or not. And there are very few people who score above eighty percent. Wow, think about that. Yeah, well, Rebecca, we got to leave it there again. Thank you for you know, coming on the show and addressing this issue. And as we say to our audience all the time, own your own knowledge, Okay, don't just take our word from it. As Rebecca mentioned earlier, we have relied so much on the talking heads, and you know that's why sometimes I ask people who told you that you know, do you know that to be a fact.

50:59 And so it's time to up our game. And it's time for us to take the responsibility that is mandated and clearly stated in our constitution under those three powerful words, we the people. Rebecca Terrell, thank you so much. Take care, Thank you, Bill, Our thanks to Rebecca Terrell, the senior editor, contributed to New American magazine, and thank you for sharing a part of your day with us and being a part of this mighty movement to return to God. Yes, it is possible. May God bless you and keep you, May make his face shine upon you, and may He be gracious unto you and give you his peace. Thank you so much for being with us. Take care, God bless