Abortion Enshrined in Ohio; Peril for Unborn in Va., Ky., and Penn

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FOURCY Radio. Well, hello and
welcome. This is Bill Martinez and we

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are live and we're going to talk
about abortion being enshrined in Ohio, not

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only Ohio, but maybe Virginia,
Kentucky and Pennsylvania. You know what happened?

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Was it about money? The fact
that you know, those that were

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for pro abortion spent those promoting life. I don't know, I've heard numbers

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anywhere from ten to fifteen to one
differential. Was it that? You know

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what happened? Rebecca Terrell is back
with us. She's a senior editor and

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contributor to the New American magazine,
and she reports that the Ohio state Constitution

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will soon have a new amendment establishing
a supposed individual right to abortion I was

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passed by a simple majority of voters
in the Buckeye state, Ohio's radical Issue

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one defines a person's so called right
to reproductive medical treatment, including but not

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limited to abortion. Current law in
Ohio permits abortion up to twenty weeks because

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the state's Heartbeat Bill, which went
into effect last year with the demise of

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Roe v. Wade, which has
been tied up in litigation ever since.

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So what happened two weeks ago?
Rebecca Torrell, Rebecca Terrell, were welcome

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to the show. Good to have
you back with us. How are you.

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Thank you so much. Bill,
It's great to be back with you,

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great to see you. Well,
help us understand what happened, because

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people are still scratching their heads and
wondering what happened that Ohio would go,

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you know, to embrace such radical
bill here. Well, yeah, because

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at worst Ohio is a purple state, it certainly tends towards the red,

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and so for something like that to
happen, especially because we have to remember,

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this isn't just an abortion amendment.
This is, like you just read,

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it deals with reproductive medical treatment,
including, but not limited to abortion.

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And it even includes all of this
gender dysphoria surgeries, taking away you

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know, children, children deciding for
themselves. It's taking away parental consent for

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all of these gender surgeries, for
abortion, for contraception. Basically, it

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cuts parents out of decisions for minors
in these areas. And you know,

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you say it's reproductive medical treatment.
That can you know, a doctor can

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define anything that he wants, you
know, an unscrupulous doctor. That's why

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it's so dangerous to have these laws
and states, even in pro life states,

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that say except for the health of
the mother. Well, of course,

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the health of the mother is always
a consideration with a doctor, it's

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the primary consideration. In fact,
Obgen's that I've talked with explained to me

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that in their practice they have a
unique practice because they don't just deal with

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one patient. They have two patients, mother and baby, and so their

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point always is to maintain utmost health
for both of those patients. But in

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situations like, for instance, a
miscarriage where the baby can't or an a

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topic pregnancy, or the baby implants
in an area other than the womb,

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which is fatal to the mother if
not taken care of, those are not

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those are considered extreme. Uh,
those are considered the situations where you you

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know what the outcome is of it
will be and the point is to save

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the life of the mother. So
when you put this loophole in an abortion

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law that says except for the health
of the mother, an unscrupulous physician can

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say, oh, this this,
this has to do with the health,

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even the psychological that was going to
say, and you got the mental health

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criteria coming into play right, exactly
exactly so. And you know, it

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was only about one hundred years ago
that our country, every single state in

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our country had pro life laws on
the books. Absolutely it identified abortion as

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heinous, It identified it as something
that was absolutely we we don't allow that

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on our soil, you know.
And now the travesty of Ohio enshrining it

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in its foundational document. It's not
just a law that can be easily overturned

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later. This is in This is
a minis to the constitution of the state,

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a foundational document. I interviewed a
very interesting lady recently. Bell Her

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name is doctor Linda Royal. She's
written a book called Sacrifice the Abortion Conspiracy,

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and it's really a retelling of her
doctoral thesis research. She wanted to

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find out how our country switched from
that very pro life, staunchly pro life

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across the board, to now claiming
that abortion is somehow a woman's right,

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which means murder is a woman right. And that's the thing that bothers me,

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Rebecca, is that when do you
have where's to say in our constitution

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you have a right to kill anybody, right exactly, even and especially someone

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who is so defenseless as an unborn
child. What are they guilty of?

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And what is that born child guilty
of that they deserve death? Exactly?

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What are they guilty of? And
people say, oh, accepting cases of

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rape and and sasts, it's not
the baby's fault. And you know,

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there's a beautiful option available that is
adoption. In fact, I have a

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sister who has taken advantage of that
three times wow, and to increase her

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family. And I have another sister
who has also increased her family one time

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through that option. There are so
many people who cannot have children on their

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own, and they desperately want to
increase their families and they would love to.

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In fact, I have a very
good friend who you know, he

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petitions at the abortion mills around town, and he will offer to He hollers

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out to people, I will pay
for all your expenses. Please let me

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adopt your baby, Please let me
take your There was a lady who took

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him up on it one time years
ago. He has an adult daughter,

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she's now an adult who he adopted
because of that outreach. So you know,

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it's certainly it's there. And you
know what, Bill too, This

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is a very sensitive issue, I
think with a lot of people. I

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don't want to I want everyone to
know there are there is something like one

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in four women have had at least
one abortion in their lives. So you

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know, people without knowing it,
you know people who have had abortions.

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And I do want to stop right
now and say we are not talking about

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this in a way that condemns anyone. A lot of a lot of women

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who have had abortions are now stricken
by horrible grief and guilt, and this

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is something that you do. You
have. There are outreaches. Rachel's Vineyard

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is one of the most popular ones
where you can go and find healing.

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And you know there are also incredibly
there are many people who have come out

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now who have actually survived abortion babies
who survived abortion, and they are the

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Abortion Survivors Network. It's a it's
a group now that's formed by one of

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them and is gaining members every year. And every one of them that I've

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ever heard interviewed or interviewed myself,
has been full of nothing but forgiveness and

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love for their birth and mother.
So there's a lot of there's a lot

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at play here. But I do
and I don't want to downgrade, downplay

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the fact that yes, abortion is
murder right, but a lot of women,

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especially young women, feel like they
have their backs against a wall.

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They don't know about the pregnancy resource
centers that are out there, which not

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only help a woman throughout her pregnancy, but also after her pregnancy and with

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future pregnancies if needed. A lot
of a lot of So you know,

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we need to we need to be
very I want to be very sensitive to

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people who are suffering from the guilt
and remorse and the horror of past abortion

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and let them know that there are
certainly solutions. And I'm glad, I'm

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glad you addressed that, because that's
not the heart of the show, and

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certainly not the heart of the show's
host. Here. I have, you

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know, an enormous amount of compassion
because we've all been touched by abortion in

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one form or another. We have
I think just about in every family around

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the country, there are people missing
from celebrations as a result of abortions,

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grandkids that are no more, children
that are more. The other thing too

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to address here, Rebecca, is
that you know, we talk about women

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quite often, and more and more
men are realizing the horror of abortion and

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realizing that they bought into a lie
and what really to me, the impetus

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of the reversal of Roe v.
Wade was a groundswell. It was an

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organic movement based on forty nine years
of experience by those women and some men,

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but mostly women, who were told
that it would be rare, it

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would be safe, and after forty
nine years the data did not indicate their

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own personal experience did not indicate then
it was safe and it was rare.

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Were I think we're over one hundred
million abortions, including chemical abortions, that

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have taken place. The chemical abortions, to me, are even more horrific

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because it's one thing to have a
procedure in a facility like planned parenthood,

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another another deal altogether. When you're
doing it in your own bathroom and the

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fetus is, you know, deposited
in your toilet, I don't know how

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you unsee that, and how you
managed to dispose of that child, of

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that baby. Of course, you
know, in order to kind of callous

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over and blunt the emotion, they
want to refer to it as a fet

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It's not a baby, you know. So we get into a lot of

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word games. But the fact of
the matter is, and again this is

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what ignited this organic movement, is
people stop lying to themselves, they stop

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buying into the line, realizing,
oh my god, my child is no

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more. Absolutely and you know,
I can tell you too. I used

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to be a nurse. I have
an an active nursing license now because I

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haven't practiced in a number of years. But I do say that I will

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say that in my nursing experience,
I found out and during school that at

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the moment of conception, there are
a lot of changes that take place in

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a woman's body. Of course,
but one of the things that happens is

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that fertilized egg there is a protective
coating I think of protein that forms around

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it. If it does not form
the mother's immune system will identify that as

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a foreign object and try to get
rid of it. Right, there is

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the answer, So we when life
begins, because if the mother's immune system

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is identifying that as a foreign object, that's not part of her body,

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that's a separate individual will now and
then once the egg implant, well,

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I shouldn't say egg, because it's
not an egg anymore because it's fertilized.

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That once the zygote implants on the
mother's womb, there are a number of

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other shutdowns that naturally happen in her
body, in her immune system, to

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keep her immune system from attacking that
what would otherwise be identified as a foreign

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object. So it's fascinating. The
whole process of pregnancy is extremely fascinating.

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And I also think it's very important
to point out most obie gens will not

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perform abortions. I interviewed Christina Francis, who's the president of the American Association

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of Pro Life Obstetricians and Kinnecologists,
and she said that more than eighty percent

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of obe gen's have never performed abortions, and those who do often are in

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the industry only for a very short
time. Because when you perform abortions,

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even if their early term, you
have to count body parts when they come

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out. You can't finish up the
procedure on a woman because if anything's left

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inside that is, that can cause
an infection and she can die. So

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you have to count body parts,
and you can't count body parts for very

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long without realizing this isn't just a
clump of cells. This is another human

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being and I have ended its life. And you know, we also have

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to look at the cases like,
for instance, Kermit Gosnell, who is

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now serving several life sentences for murder
of the he was performing late term abortions

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in his abortion melon. I think
it was Philadelphia, right, and I

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think it's too So he's serving life
sentences for doing what is now going to

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be legal in Ohio, which interestingly, that amendment, by the way,

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takes effect thirty days after the election, which happens to fall on Pearl Harbor

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Day this year, which I think
is just tainous. You know, these

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are our men gave gave their lives
so we could maintain our freedom as Americans,

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except those who are unborn. But
but you know, going back to

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the to the point of it's it's
such hypocrisy because like recently I lived in

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Memphis, Tennessee, and recently there
was a man who was convicted of murder.

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He had shot I think it was
his girlfriend or maybe his wife,

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but she was pregnant and he killed
not only her, but he killed the

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unborn baby too, and he was
tried on two counts of murder, not

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one. So when it's convenient,
the unborn baby is a human being who's

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subject to the rights under the fourteenth
Amendment. But when it's not convenient,

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like for the people in Ohio,
but their and by the way too,

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I just want I want to say
another thing that has has kind of come

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up. You know, we see
that Joe Biden is going down down downtown

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in the polls right now, and
the Democrats are kind of scurrying a little

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bit because they don't exactly like RFK
Junior. I mean, he's great for

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them when it comes to climate change, right because he touts that line.

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But then when it comes to vaccines, oh, he's he fell off the

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Democrat wagon. You know, he's
not a good guy. So you know,

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who are they? They ought he
would be a winner because he's good.

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He's gaining popularity because of that vaccine
stance. But now you still won't

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give him any security detail though I
know, isn't that well it shows that

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a heartless and sensitivity. But at
the same time, we do see Joe

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Biden's mental decline. I mean,
we see this, it's evident. We

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don't need a doctor to tell us
when we see it happening. So,

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you know, we have a very
weak The Democrats have a very weak candidate

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here, so they have to kind
of divert attention, and I see them

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diverting it to abortion. Rovy Wade
was overturned. So now we have to

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take it to the States, and
this is the big issue. This is

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going to be the big issue for
twenty twenty four. I'm not altogether certain

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that the the elections are that the
twenty twenty election was the only one that

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was perhaps rife with fraud. I
mean, think about it, thanks,

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let's talk about this hypothetically. Sixty
one percent of the people believe, you

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know, it's still a mystery.
So the fact that we can't answer that

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question definitively, and we just have
to take the talking heads words for it,

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because they'll say to you, Rebecca, are you going to tell me

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that Joe Biden wasn't elected legitimately,
you know, And they posed the question

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in such a way that, you
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you know, you give an honest
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don't know. That's the problem.
I don't know in sixty one percent of

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America doesn't know. So are we
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the same exact thing that Democrats were
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which they very surprisingly lost. And
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and interfere with Thank you very much. I keep saying, I'm going to

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send a bill to Hillary Clinton.
I want my money back, you know,

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for all the payer money that she
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the American people and then getting the
Justice Department involved under Russian collusion. I

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think somebody owes us some money.
What do you think? Absolutely, you're

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absolutely right. And you know another
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that parents would vote their own consent
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they would vote that away from themselves. Was that part of bill written in

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small type, Rebecca, or did
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the messaging so much about abortion that
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bother paying attention. But really,
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constitution and you haven't your you don't
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all parental consent for any medical reproductive
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that just chaps my high is that
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and it's seen by and by this
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out to be a disease. And
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country has changed that much from one
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is concerned. Parents still want to
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go back and talk about that book
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went through it. It's important what
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uh, you know, put a
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how disingenuous that they would allow,
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procedure would allow for confusion in a
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kind of a slide of hand deal. We're gonna we're gonna talk about abortion.

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They knew that was the headline,
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we're gonna sneak in the gender dysphoria
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a parent. I mean, what
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happened in Virginia. Virginia, they
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you know, you got rid of
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governor now right for that same reason
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choice and decision out of education.
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that upset about it in education,
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about, you know, altering your
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you know, Virginia is another place
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we had we had travesty. The
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that Congress, so that, yes, Glenn Youngkin is not going to be

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able to probably pursue his plans to
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again I say, what's wrong with
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suddenly at fifteen weeks this this whole
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not a medical thing. Bill.
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legal term. It's something that the
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when they foisted Roe v. Wade
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have an interesting personal story about that
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to the passage of Roe v.
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mother's second and she had what's called
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have one child and then the other
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this rh factor. And her doctor
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this child is going to die,
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pregnancy early. And being the good
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oh, oh no, you don't, and so she got herself another

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doctor. And here I am,
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were already advising and already performing abortions
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up being a non reason because obviously
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of these things about the health that
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you know, right there, boom, that is a code word.

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It's an Orwellian code word for a
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in this amendment, contraception is involved
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gender transition surgeries and all of that. They're all involved in this amendment to

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the Constitution. And isn't there a
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that you can't hold the doctor's libel
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it's worded this way. I'm going
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is so Orwellian. It's called the
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and Safety. So I mean,
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loophole just in the name alone.
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this amendment. The Ohio chapter of
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was founded back in eight in nineteen
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name of Reverend Harry Ward and he
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a Methodist minister. He was also
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who had been a Communist agent and
defected and revealed a lot of information

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to Congress about Communist work in this
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that Harry Ward had been the primary
instigator of the infiltration of communists and two

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American seminaries. And I'm talking about
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not just Catholic, not just Methodists, but a lot of different denominations.

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And the ACLU. Also Congress,
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ACLU in nineteen thirty eight, it
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identified it as a Communist front organization. In the nineteen twenties, the legislature

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in New York had identified the ACLU
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has certainly not gotten better since.
Of course it works for civil rights.

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But again we're talking, you know, we're talking a communities kind of a

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civil rights where you know, one, my rights are you know, everybody

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has rights, but my rights are
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I like how you say communies.
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And that's what they've done again in
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amendment in Ohio and what is going
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well. The language is very deceptive
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American people and to the voters there
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of the voters. And here you
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this is locked down. I mean, it's almost going to take an act

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of God or that the people there
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it. This is just flat out
wrong. You know. I'm just I'm

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just not going to participate in this
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I do want to go back Rebecca
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the Way, and senior editor and
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I wanted to go back to the
book that you drew attention to earlier in

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terms of the study of America and
what happened, you know, one hundred

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years ago unthinkable. Suddenly there was
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it become thinkable then it became an
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said, it was Linda Royal and
it's a fascinating book. I'd recommend it

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to anyone. It's called Sacrifice,
the Abortion Conspiracy. And she in the

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course of her doctoral thesis work,
she wanted to find out how you know

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who She always she looks to media
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you know, that's that's very true. The media. The media does tell

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us what to think, not how
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focusing naturally on Margaret Sanger, who
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is the leading organization for abortion in
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very profit driven organization. Five oh
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tax status. It doesn't have anything
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so the abortion in this country is
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to realize that that's it's money that's
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about it's not about women's healthcare.
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the RUS too, where they report
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their budget goes to women's healthcare,
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abortion. I think those numbers are
upside down. I think so, well,

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women's healthcare okay again Orwellian because because
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yeah, the three percent to abortion, I find that difficult to swallow as

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well. But but regardless, Okay, So what doctor Royal discovered she landed

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on a mentor. Margaret Sanger had
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name of Lawrence Later and he was
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which is an extremely pro abortion,
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Again that Orwellian, Oh, we're
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you're here too, you know,
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And he had sealed within thirty days
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in January of nineteen seventy three,
he took all of Margaret Sanger's documents and

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writings and diaries and even her daily
you know, calendars and things and had

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them sealed. They had become very
good friends, and he had possession of

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all of that and all of his
writings too. He took them, put

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them in the New York State Library
Archives and had them sealed under lock and

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key for the best he could get
was twenty five years. He wanted to

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have them sealed in perpetuity, but
in her investigations she actually went there.

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Even after they were unsealed after twenty
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them because they were very specific criteria
you had to meet. You couldn't just

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be somebody like me who would walk
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or somebody. You had to be
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for a for an educational endeavor.
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She was working and probably prone to
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abortion have access to those documents,
right, And her I mean her thesis

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was rather innocuous, was because she
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what changed in the media narrative to
change America from pro life to pro death

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right, but she didn't say pro
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Yes, it was a rather innocuous
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able to access those and she knows
she is the first person who laid eyes

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on these documents because she broke the
seals on the boxes. And so that

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book is about what she discovered,
and she discovered. What she discovered was

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used by the attorneys in the Dobs
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Rov. Wade last summer, and
every single point that those jobs attorneys made,

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they used some of her research in
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that Justice Roberts said, Doctor Royal
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don't know if he said it to
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that he has never seen such a
travesty of justice in all his days on

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the bench, because those documents revealed
that only the narrow attorney advised the Supreme

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Court on Roe v. Wade.
He was the only one. It was

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this extreme conflict of interest, right, yeah, very very telling what happened.

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And she said that you know,
of course we know too. Again

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going back to that age of viability, that's something that they made up,

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and it's something that has changed over
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you think we have a little bit
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with the latest I mean sonogram.
That's why they don't want women to see

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the sonogram of their baby right right
right exactly, because you can see the

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little hands, and you can see
the heart beat and you can see the

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mouth moving and right, you can
see there's a baby in there. And

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that baby is not a klumpo cells. It's not part of my body.

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It is that is a human being
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to think that this decision is huge
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three, we're so manipulated. Wow. I mean, the blood of over

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one hundred million babies is on the
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Nayral and those that kept the truth
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and you know you bring that up. The blood is on their hands.

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The blood is also on their heads. I asked Linda, why did you

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name your book Sacrifice? That struck
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the book is very much the media
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Wade. But she said the reason
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research too that abortion is very much
akin to the child sacrifice of the you

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know, previous civilizations like these and
Maya's and Astecs, and you know,

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people who would sacrifice their babies and
they weren't just sacrificed. You know,

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we say, oh, child sacrifice. It was child sacrifice to a false

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god and a specific false god.
I believe she named him as Moloch.

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Yeah, but yeah, exactly,
and so and we're talking about literal sacrifice

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to demons. You know, we
say all their false gods, a false

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god is a demon. And that
is what Ohio now has enshrined it constitution

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is demonic sacrifice. Really, there's
no way around it. So, yes,

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the blood of those children is going
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I believe. And I don't see
good things in the future for Ohio.

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I do wish that our Supreme Court
somehow would rule that unborn children are

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just as that the fourteenth Amendment applies
to them, just as much as it

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applies to any of us. You
know, if you were suddenly tied up

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inside inside a cage, and you
know, somebody said, okay, go

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inside and go inside there and kill
them, nobody will know that that's not

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right. Well, that's what we're
doing to all these babies. Yeah.

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is the fact that this is a
spiritual issue, and we're trying to

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solve a spiritual issue in the natural, it's impossible. You will never reach

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the solution, you know, at
this level, And she's exactly right.

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Jonathan Kahn has written a book called
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quite quite provocative because what it says
is that we in essence and the spiritual

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realm, we've opened up a portal
for the manifestation of these gods to come

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back. The Bible talks about Jesus
gave a parable about the person who is

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demon possessed, and what happened is
the demon left goes out into the desert,

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gets seven demons worse than we're there
before, and they come and return

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to that body that they left,
and he's seven times worse off. And

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what we're seeing happening in our country
today, boy, you can see some

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peril else here. The other thing
to realize. And also in his most

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recent book, Josiah Manifesto, he
talks about where abortion, where the headquarters

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for abortion was and it kind of
started a little bit in Hawaii, but

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the key gate opener was New York. Okay, New York was the first

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date to really make it official and
legalize abortion. Well, tie this together,

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see what you know when you say
what is the consequence here, because

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we're dealing with spiritual issues. Well, when the pandemic broke out in two

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thousand, the city that got attacked
first was New York. At one point,

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forty percent of the outbreak of the
pandemic happened in New York. And

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it was interesting because at one point
when abortion came out, forty percent of

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abortions we're done in New York.
Yeah, interesting numbers that they would coincide

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like this. So again again just
to you know, what doctor Royal's pointing

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to is that this is a spiritual
issue. We're void of morality, and

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when we're void of morality, we
go into the darkness and we start,

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as the Bible would say, we're
left to our own devices, and this

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is where we are right now,
and by our own devices, we think

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we're going to fix this by saying, okay, fine, well we'll let

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you abort your child without any conditions
whatsoever. And and we're going to tryst

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words around to say that murdering a
child, you have a right to murder

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your child. There's no you you
know, you've got to really bend the

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idea and redefine what right means in
order to get to that conclusion, don't

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you. You absolutely do, and
we can. We're very clever, aren't

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we can. We can make excuses
for a lot of anything that we want,

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anything that we want to But but
and you know, if you do

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have a conscience, you have to
see that as a gift from God,

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because God only withdraws conscience from people
that he's kind of given up on,

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so to speak. But you know, I want to go back to I

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want to go back to something that
you said, because yes, it is

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important to identify this as a spiritual
battle, but it is also a temporal

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battle. And God did we know
that in our founding documents and well,

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in fact, the Declaration of Independence
declares that, yes, rights come from

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God, but to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men. And

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so yes, we very much do
have to handle this on a government level.

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It needs to be that we decree
that life is sacred from the beginning.

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You know, remember that God Jesus
used the things of this earth.

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He would he would spit on dirt, he'd pick up dirt, spin on

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it, make a paste and cure
the blind man. Or he would use

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water as the sacrament to confect the
sacrament of baptism would use the things of

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this earth to affect the spiritual things. So we have to follow in his

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footsteps and our imitation of Christ on
earth and use the things of this earth

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to affect their spiritual things. And
yet, but it is at its heart

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it is a spiritual battle. So
we also need to get rid of this

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false idea of this quote separation of
church and state, and this, Oh,

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you can't legislate morality. What is
legislation if it's not morality? And

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the option is chaos, the option
is depravity. And we know that history

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is a series of God's chosen people
falling into idolatry and licentiousness and depravity of

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all kind. And He allows them
to be overtaken by an oppressive government and

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enslaved until they finally repent, you
know, sacloth and ashes and all that,

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and acknowledge, acknowledge their reliance on
him. He humble them. We

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have to humble ourselves before him.
We have to do penance. He calls

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for that. He's the same God
that he was in the Old Testament.

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You know, we like to think
God, there's this really nice guy.

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Well, that really nice guy asked
a certain father to take a son up

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onto the top of a mountain and
slaughter him as a sacrifice to him.

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So you know, that doesn't sound
like a really nice guy. You know

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when people I don't like to hear
people say, oh, I'm doing the

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Lord's work. How do you know? How do you know you're doing the

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Lord's work? You know you better
be doing the Lord's work because we know

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what happened to the false prophets back
in those days, and now here we

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are, we're living with the consequences
of you not. First of all,

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misrepresenting God is an evil offense.
You don't want to go there, you

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know at all. So you're treading
on hallowed ground when you say, and

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God, when he judged you know, the Northern and Southern Kingdom, he

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indicted the prophets for claiming that thus
as the Lord, when you know the

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Lord did not say, you know, right, And so you got to

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be you got to be careful if
you're going to go into that part of

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arena when it comes to representing God. But but the challenge you have is

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that you know, if you want
the blessings of God, then there are

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there are laws that we must keep
you know there there is obedience to God's

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commands that are not going away.
You know, they have not been replaced.

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And God does not great on the
curve. He's a just God.

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And you know, so this isn't
you know, some sort of buffet menu

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that you can pick and choose what
you want. It is. It is

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a black and white type of proposition. You either are going to choose life

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or you're going to choose death.
So whatever choice comes your way, you

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need to ask yourself that critical question, Am I advancing life or am I

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promoting death? With the choice I'm
making? Right? Absolutely right? And

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and two, you know the women
who have been in those situations where they

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were contemplating abortion and they didn't do
it, and they went ahead and they

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kept their child or they offered their
child up for adoption. I've interviewed many

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and I've heard many interviewed who have
have said, you know, it's much

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easier than I thought it would be. I was not ostracized by family,

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or if I was ostracized by family, there were others who came in and

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filled that gap. And we do
have so many resources now, the pregnancy

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resource centers around this country. There's
no one organization where you can, you

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know, go to go to a
website and oh, here are all the

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pregnancy web pregnancy resource centers in the
country. Each one is privately pretty much

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privately run, privately staffed. The
doctors who staffed them volunteer their time.

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Uh. They're wonderful resources. And
they are the ones who were attacked by

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those groups like Jane Revenge. Uh
why were they attacked. They're not anti

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they're not established to be anti abortion
centers. That's not their purpose. Their

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purpose is to provide the services that
women need when they don't have the options

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that when they feel like their backs
are against the wall. And no,

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your back isn't against the wall.
Well, we're going to walk you through

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this. We're going to take care
of this. We're going to help you

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every step along the way, whether
you want to keep your baby, give

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your baby up for adoption. They
do it all, you know. And

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you know, another thing that women
need to realize too. There's a lot

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of talk that since Roe v.
Wade was passed, these women are having

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miscarriages and having to carry their babies
around inside of them dead. That is

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a lie. There is not one
abortion mill in this world that is set

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up to handle a miscarriage. For
any miscarriage now, or pray to Roby

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Wade, you have to go to
your doctor, you have to go to

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a hospital. It is a surgery. And you know, depending upon your

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own situation, it might be minor, it might be a major surgery.

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But it is a surgery that is
taken care of at If you show up

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in an abortion mill with a miscarriage, they're going to immediately send you to

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the hospital. It's not something that's
handled there. So all of these lies,

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it's just lie upon lie upon lias. If those of us who are

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pro life are anti woman, and
it's absolutely the opposite. See, but

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that's what evil is. It is
a lie. And again, you know,

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going back, you were citing this
cycle of nations in the Book of

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Judges, where you know the children
of Israel, when they had it good,

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it was all going well, they
started to see life according to their

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own eyes. They made their own
choices apart from God. God would say

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don't do that. He would send
an oppressive force to come in, put

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them in bondage. They would realize
their evil ways, cry out to God.

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God would send them a prophet deliver
them things, and you know,

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and it's good for a while until
they get back into the cycle again,

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all things good. They start seeing
things according to their own eyes. But

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this is, you know, this
is the human condition that we're in and

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it's a constant battle between good and
evil. But we don't want to put

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it in that context for whatever reason
because somehow it's going to offend people.

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Well, let me tell you,
evil is pretty offensive. It kills lots

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of people, right, absolutely,
absolutely absolutely, And you know this this

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past November seventh, this election day, it really wasn't good. It wasn't

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good for abortion, you know,
across across the board. I mean it

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was, well, I should say
it wasn't good for the pro life cause

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across the board. And that's a
very odd thing to happen. And I

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think we all need to in our
own conce stituency, in our own precinct,

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00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.519
at the precinct level, we need
to start insisting and fighting for paper

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ballots. And one election day,
and you bring up a great point,

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because see this is the suspicion.
You know, the numbers went in such

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a way to where wait a minute, what the heck happened? You know,

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the sentiment was such that, you
know, did we have another mass

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manipulation of voting? Right? Listen, When I was little, I would

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my mother would take me with her
when she went there was those big old

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voting machines and you pull the lever
and the curtain goes behind you. I

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thought it was like Wizard of Oz, right, And she would turn the

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little levers and I would think,
as a little girl, I would think,

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how does she know that they're counting
that? Right? Any machine you

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can cheat. You can cheat on
an election, even with paper ballots,

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but it's a lot harder. And
the Carter Aker Commission back in was it

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the eighties, the Carter Baker Commission
did an extensive investigation on you know,

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where are the shortcomings and the weaknesses
and our in our voting system and they

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00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.000
said, one of the worst things
you can do, you need to really

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restrict paper ballots, and you need
to have you know, mail in ballots.

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That's when early voting, early voting
and mail in ballots, and you

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have to have election on one the
election on one day, and very much

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restrict absentee ballots exactly, and that's
exactly we are breaking. And they had

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other recommendations too, we've broken so
many of them. And we also know

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from the conference that they have every
year out in Las Vegas that was called

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Defcon, and they have that voting
village and it's a conference of all of

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computer hackers. They get together and
they give them all the current voting equipment,

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and within hours, they've all broken
into the equipment. They've flipped votes,

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they've even pilford with it, they've
even messed with the voter rolls they

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can get into. I mean,
it's incredible. And they've been warning us

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about this for years. This was
long before the twenty twenty election ever took

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place. They've been warning us.
Def CON's been warning get rid of the

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machines. The machines are all hackable, Our elections are not secure. And

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then all of a sudden, in
twenty twenty oh, it's the most secure

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election in the American history. That
just flies in the face of sanity,

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right, it flies in the face
of logical thinking. Exactly when you look

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at the numbers, there's no numbers
really there that can substantiate that statement.

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If anything, it bears more question
than answer. Yes, absolutely it does.

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It does. See that we just
flashed up the cover of the near

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American magazine to their and the assassination
and the deep state. And you know

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00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.679
that's another situation. Lenda B.
Johnson, his hot We know his career,

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00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:06.599
his political career in Texas started on
a fraudulent election. We know that

583
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.880
we know about Tammany Hall. You
know why it's okay to talk about election

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fraud when you're talking about something that's
in the past and deals with people who

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already did. That's okay. But
oh, that kind of thing doesn't happen

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00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:22.960
anymore. What Yeah, we're so
sophisticated and civilized, were so naive?

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00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.480
Are you kidding me? Right?
I mean the thirst and lust for power?

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Uh, you know, within the
human condition is such that it has

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to be it has to be restricted, There has to be guardrails. If

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not. Sadly, you might say, we have the America that we have

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today, Rebecca right. And I
think too that you know, going back

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through that history and the biblical history
of the cyclical, you know, falling

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into slavery and then repenting and God
saves us, that probably is exactly what

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we're doing right now. Because people
never learn, you know, nothing ever

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00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.719
changes under the sun. But it's
going to take people getting uncomfortable enough to

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get up out of their armchairs and
do something about it. And we can

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do something about it now because they
our constitution is still in effect. And

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our founding fathers, our founding fathers
were wonderful students of history. They knew

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the history of the enslavement of people
by oppressive government. They tried to establish

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a republic, and a republic that
does not top down, but bottom up.

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The localities like counties and cities,
tell the state what to do.

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00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.360
The state tells the federal government what
to do. Back in the day when

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our country was founded, very few
people paid much attention to anything going on

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in Washington, d c. Because
the only thing that the federal government was

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there for was to protect borders,
and we were pretty good other than that

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states. And that's enshrined in our
constitution. If we forgot to mention anything

607
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:00.719
in this constitution, that's what Amendment
ten says, if we forgot to mention

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anything here, the federal government can't
do that either. So every single one

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of our federal bureaucratic agencies is completely
unconstitutional. Most of what's coming out of

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Congress is unconstitutional. The John Birch
Society, which is the founding organization,

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the parent organization of my magazine,
The New American, has a Freedom Index

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which we score all the congressman and
senators based on their constitutional and whether they're

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votes adhere to the Constitution or not. And there are very few people who

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score above eighty percent. Wow,
think about that. Yeah, well,

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Rebecca, we got to leave it
there again. Thank you for you know,

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coming on the show and addressing this
issue. And as we say to

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our audience all the time, own
your own knowledge, Okay, don't just

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take our word from it. As
Rebecca mentioned earlier, we have relied so

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much on the talking heads, and
you know that's why sometimes I ask people

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who told you that you know,
do you know that to be a fact.

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And so it's time to up our
game. And it's time for us

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to take the responsibility that is mandated
and clearly stated in our constitution under those

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three powerful words, we the people. Rebecca Terrell, thank you so much.

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Take care, Thank you, Bill, Our thanks to Rebecca Terrell,

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the senior editor, contributed to New
American magazine, and thank you for sharing

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a part of your day with us
and being a part of this mighty movement

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to return to God. Yes,
it is possible. May God bless you

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and keep you, May make his
face shine upon you, and may He

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be gracious unto you and give you
his peace. Thank you so much for

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being with us. Take care,
God bless