A Watchman in the Night, What I’ve Seen Over 50 Years Reporting on America

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Well, welcome, and thank you
for joining us. I'm Bill Martinez

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and We've got a real treat for
you. America's number one syndicated columnist Cal

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Thomas is with us to talk about
his new book, A Watchman in the

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Night. What I've seen in over
fifty years of reporting on America, he

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writes in his preface, Ask me
a question and I'll give you an answer.

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This is what I've done and am
continuing to do as I seek to

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serve God first and then my country. The award winning journalist has spent over

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fifty years speaking with leaders and everyday
people and reporting on world events through his

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syndicated column welcome cal Thomas. Cal
good to have you with us, sir,

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Thank you very much, Bill,
thank you for having me. Hey,

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I am so excited for this opportunity. I know I had you on

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my radio show before, but I
thought this would be a special time.

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This would give us a little bit
more time to talk about your storied career

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of fifty years. Well, thank
you. I the more I think about

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it, the more I realize how
fast time goes by. Right, But

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what a journey for you. I
mean, let's go back day one.

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How did it start for you,
cal Well? I started in radio when

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I was sixteen years old. About
two weeks after my voice changed, Bill,

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it happened this way. A local
disc jockey came out to the team

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club that I was president of and
said he was going to have a little

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class for people who are interested in
talking on the radio. I've never heard

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that before, so I said,
well, that sounds kind of interesting.

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And one thing led to another,
and then I was invited out to the

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radio station to do some high school
reports. And then the boss of the

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station said, hey, kid,
you sound pretty good. I'd you like

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to have your own show. So
I did that for a year or so,

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and then I joined NBC News as
a copy boy in Washington and tremendous

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journalists who are major influences in my
life, and depending on your view of

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the media, worked my way up
or down from there. Well, I've

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had fifty years of media experience and
we always look at it as going up.

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Bits beIN your story parallels mine a
little bit. Cal I was a

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freshman class president in college. We
started a campus radio station, and that's

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how I got pulled into it.
Originally I was heading to Fresno State.

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I was going to play baseball and
live happily ever after with my two point

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three kids, and radio and the
media got a hold of me, and

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so here I am all these years
later, you know, having fun and

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a blessed opportunity to talk to you. Well. As you know, Bill,

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this is probably the only profession where
you can meet so many people from

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different backgrounds, from heads of state
to show business people to average folks to

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baseball players. It's really great and
I've enjoyed it immensely. People say,

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what are you going to retire?
I say to what, I don't play

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golf. I love what I do, so why I retire? Yeah?

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I'm with you. And it's funny. At our age, everybody asked us

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that same question, you know,
and I go, no, I won't,

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you know, because even my doctor
told me, said, Bill,

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your constitution is so strong that you'll
probably die. And then three years later

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you'll get the memo. Now you'll
get your declaration of independence. Yeah,

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exactly, exactly. Well, your
first job at the radio station, was

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it a music station or were you
doing news? Back that it was all

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I am at all music. Matter
of fact, this is a great story.

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My wife, who was a high
school classmate at the time, worked

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for the same station I did,
but she was squiring around celebrity. She

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was a model, beautiful woman still
is and I was on the air,

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and we both went our separate ways, and fifty years later I was able

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to marry the prettiest girl in high
school. Well what fifty years later?

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I got that long term spouses passed
away within a few weeks of each other,

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and we reconnected and it was like
magic, you know. I told

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the Lord I didn't want to be
alone the rest of my life, and

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what if you who's got to send
me somebody Number one? She had to

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be a believer, yes, and
like Solomon who got holy who asked for

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wisdom and not for the death of
his enemies of great wealth. God gave

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me what he asked for, and
a whole lot more too. So I

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really grabbed the gold ring with this
one. Well, lucky you, well,

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congratulations. So how much fun is
that? So a lot of especially

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when you don't have kids to worry
about. Exactly. Well, but you

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got grand you got grandkids. I'm
sure right, I got grandkids, great

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grandchildren. Yeah. So so you
you go to d C. Yeah,

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you're working your way up and working
around noted professionals drop some names for us.

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Well. I think probably the most
influential of them all was the lady

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David Brinkley, who was part of
a team. The Huntley Brinkley Report on

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NBC was extremely popular for years.
But I had a great job. I

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get to meet all these guys,
I go out in some stories, cover

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with them that they covered, and
most importantly, I was in charge of

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filing their scripts. So that became
my writing class. I saw how they

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would take the Associated Press or United
Press wires for newspapers and convert them into

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broadcast style. I learned very early
that older people love to give advice,

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and so I picked their brain and
expence, and they were happy to pour

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their lives into me. Now I'm
an older person and I'm trying to do

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it with younger people. Yeah,
it's amazing how that works. Right.

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We have stories, we like to
share stories, And here you are working

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with the likes of Hunting Brinkley.
And what was probably the single most important

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thing that you learned from him?
Oh wow, Well that's hard to say.

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Just being around him was a learning
experience by osmosis. We're other great

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ones too. For example, A
Sander Van Oker who covered the Cannibal White

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House, put me over there one
day, saw my first president live,

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seen everyone or met everyone since,
and I really got hooked on the experience.

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It was just amazing. Again,
what other profession could you be in

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that allows you to meet so many
great people? But these were wonderful examples.

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These were all writers. They came
from newspapers or wire services. They

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knew how to they wrote their own
stuff, unlike a lot today, and

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they were all real journalists. They
weren't advocates for a political party of persuasion.

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I'm sure most were Democrats, but
I think Brinkley had the greatest line

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I've ever heard, he said,
when it comes to journalism, he said,

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it's impossible to be objective, so
we must try to be fair.

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Oh if we only had that standard
today. Yeah, without a doubt.

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And speaking of journalism, I was
a broadcast journalism major, and you know,

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and I really believed in the First
Amendment and the duty that the First

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Amendment puts upon the media to tell
the whole truth, you know, from

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an ejective viewpoint, to advance the
intellect of we the people. And sadly

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that seems to be missing today.
That's very true. Bill, And as

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a friend of mine says, the
even greater power of the media is the

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power to ignore the stories they don't
cover, right to mention the slamp they

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put on the ones they do cover. We've seen this now in the Middle

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East. The first few days,
the media were mostly almost one hundred percent

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on the side of Israel as the
victim. But after four or five days,

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all of a sudden things started getting
turned around. And it's those poor

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victims in Gaza, and look what
Israel has done, and isn't that terrible?

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And then you have all of these
universities, I mean a lot of

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people didn't know what was going on
at our universities like Harvard and many others,

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huge numbers of anti Semitic rants and
chants exactly. Zionis do away with

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free Palestine, do away with the
Jews, do away with Israel. And

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I think this is unmasked a lot
of what academia is doing and brainwashing young

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people. The amazing thing to me
is that so many parents pay for this

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sort of stuff exactly. Yeah,
you think about the millions upon millions of

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dollars that you invest to have your
children indoctrinated and not educated. It is

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a sad commentary on academia today.
The model in which they're following is consistent

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call as you recall, you know, in World War Two it was the

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media of record that was backing Adolf
Hitler. And so it's not a big

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surprise here that we find ourselves today. But I think that God has done

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us a favor, whether it's with
COVID or whether with this incident in Israel

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with Hamas, is that he's taking
the shield off our eyes to see the

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truth. That's very true, Bill, And the thing that amazes me the

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most is that we have a choice
in these things. It's not like Russia

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or China, which has only one
point of view and one school system.

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Why would you willingly send your children
into the enemy's camp where you get drag

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Queen's story time in kindergarten? Critical
race theory. America is a terrible nation.

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We don't send our troops to China
and Russia to be trained or ran.

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We train them here with our own
values, on our own weapon systems,

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our own strategy. But so many
conservative and Christian parents willingly send their

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kids into these indoctrination centers known as
public schools and then off to universities where

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they come back as moral, spiritual, and intellectual zombies, not believing what

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their parents believe when they sent them
to these places. But you're right,

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COVID and some of these other things
have increased private schools and homeschooling. There's

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now school choice in thirty seven states. Louisiana's about to become number thirty eight.

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And it's taken away the argument,
gee, I can't afford it,

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Well, you can't afford not to
do it exactly exactly, Well, you

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know, maybe critical you know,
not critical theory, but critical thoughts.

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Yeah, forget about race there.
But critical thought. That's what needs to

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be exercised once again. It's okay
to ask questions. You know, like

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you say in your preface, you
know people you know ask questions, you

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found answers, you gave them answers. You know, this is we need

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to have this free exchange, because
this is when America and a democratic republic

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really exercises its full potential, don't
you think? Yes. Well, as

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I've been writing my column for almost
forty years now, and as people will

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see in this book, I start
with a premise that objective truth is knowable

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for me. It begins with a
scripture that as all knowing God knows everything

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about the world that he created and
about the people he created, he has

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not lost control of things, even
though it may seem so at the time.

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So I start with a standard of
truth and fiction. I remember I

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used to appear a lot of the
old Phil donnah show on television. Phil

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would ask me these questions like,
well, do you really believe this or

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that or whatever? I said,
Well, you know, Phil, I

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didn't make the rules. If you
have a problem with that, take it

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up with the ones who did exactly. Well, this is the thing,

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you know, it's like absolute truth
is as clear as the law gravity.

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But yet you have people that still
want to defy gravity until they get tired

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of, you know, bruising and
breaking up their legs enough. So everything

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I look at like you do.
From a biblical worldview, God created,

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says you know, in the Bible
in the beginning, God, not in

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the beginning Joe Biden or Bill Clinton
or anybody else. God himself was the

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one, and he put everything into
motion. He established the guard rails,

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the infrastructure for righteousness, that if
we do those things, then we get

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the proper outcome right, exactly right. And I remember something the late Catholic

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Bishop Fulson Sheen said. He asked
the question, how do you define a

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football field by its boundaries? Yes, and when talk he gave once he

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made the case, it was brilliant
that the reason we're in so much trouble

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financially, socially, economically, in
every other area is that we've exceeded the

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boundaries scriptures set for our benefit and
the Constitution sets for our benefit. The

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whole purpose of the Constitution is to
promote the general welfare, not everybody's welfare.

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Because there are competing interests, you
have to look at the general welfare,

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So what has benefit of the general
welfare in the past. You know,

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up until the early twentieth century,
we used to have a supplemental book

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in a lot of schools, called
them mc guffy Readers. Yes, exactly,

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matriotism, love and respect for your
parents, love for God, and

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included scripture versus Now who took a
poll and found out that a majority of

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Americans think that those were bad values
to teach young people. Nobody I know

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of. Yes, secular humanist progressives
have moved in and ripped out all of

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that stuff. And how do you
like what we're getting? So I try

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not to just argue my viewpoint.
I asked people to consider what the other

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viewpoint has produced. Exactly. The
murders in our cities, the whole border,

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the thirty three trillion dollars in debt, the loss of a shared moral

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value system, huge numbers of young
people who have no faith anymore. This

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is what the secular progressives have given
us. So I don't defend my values.

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Mine yours worked out pretty well.
I attack the other values and try

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to hold them accountable. Yeah,
the other opportunity for today's America cal we've

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been saying, our show is that
you need to study, you know,

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kind of like a bank teller,
how they figure out the difference between counterfeit

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and the real. They don't study
the counterfeit, they study the real.

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And that's we need to bring back
our focus to the legitimate, so that

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when these things raise their heads,
like evil raises its head, it's inarguable.

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I mean, why are we having
a long discussion When you go and

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you decapitate forty kids and you conduct
mass murder, that is evil. I

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think that's without debate. Well,
you know, history is full of examples

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of what happens when you deny such
things. You'll remember never Neville Chamber but

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he could just give Hitler Czechoslovakia and
and sudentum Land and he wouldn't start World

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War two. You give in to
that kind of mentality, you simply invite

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more evil. And when you give
in to all of this nonsense about genders.

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And I'm reading this book right now, the Babylon be Guide to Yeah,

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they sent me. I love that
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of it is true. I meant, fifty seven different gender identifications on Facebook?

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Are you kidding me? Come on, Well, in some of the

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California. Some of the Campanian universities
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a little behind. You know.
G. K. Chester has said that

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the danger when men stop believing in
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but that they'll believe in anything.
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in the end, people will believe
whatever their itching ears want to hear.

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And there are so many churches that
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remember the late columnist Joe Sobrand,
who happened to be Roman Catholic, and

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he said, I'd rather belong to
a church that's five hundred years behind the

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times and sublimely indifferent to change than
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behind the times, huffing and puffing
to catch up. Exactly well, said

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cal Thomas is with us, the
author of the new book A Watchman in

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the Night. What I've seen over
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America's number one syndicated columnists. Cal, you know, the Bible is clear,

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and we've been hinting on this is
that the fear of God is the

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beginning of wisdom. And also I
think that it's interesting because here man has

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all their postulations and theories. And
the Bible also tells us that at that

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time, when God hears that,
he laughs. I imagine he's having a

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good belly chuckle time and again.
These days, you know, the old

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definition of insanity is doing the same
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Yes, we have a history.
We didn't just crawl out of a

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cave. We don't have to invent
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don't live in the past. You
know. One of Ronald Reagan's great qualities

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was that he was always talking about
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ninety two had a campaign song by
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So we're not the first humans to
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from the past. We know in
our personal lives what happens when we pile

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on too much debt. We have
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may have to cut our lifestyles a
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But with the government is spending like
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things now that are affecting the future
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written about it over and over again. Number one is massive national debt,

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ours is thirty three trillion dollars in
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No nation can control itself and have
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And then number three a loss of
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one of those has caused the collapse
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confronting all three at the same time. What makes us think we can avoid

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the judgment of history much less the
judgment of God. Well, you're exactly

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right, Kel, it's staring us
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especially. I mean, look what's
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hate into this country, you know, really, I mean you think about

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it. You know, I look
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that are going on. We have
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That's one thing. But when you
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you know, from the Middle East, that have been trained from day one

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to hate, how do you redeem
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Gospel is the best redemption of all. But you first you have to find

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them right order patrol thousands of gutaways, as they call it, we are.

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We don't know where they've gone.
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past and recently that they've smuggled agents
into the United States just waiting for a

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queue to reach travoc on this country
again and produce another nine to eleven type

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terrorist attack. Why wouldn't we believe
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people like Secretary of Mayorcis, the
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Are you going to believe him or
your lyon eyes and is not secure in

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any way. We need to finish
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all of these people who came here
illegally. There's a legal way to come

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to America to prove that you are
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seeker. But these people have gotten
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countries around the world, not just
Spanish speaking countries that come to America you

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get free stuff. Yeah, exactly, one hundred thousand Americans have died from

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fetanol poisoning and the administration is doing
nothing about it. It's a disgrace.

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our nation. Gal, this is
what we're dealing with, and they're they're

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not at it. We know that
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beholden to the cartel, the cartel
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country. We have no idea.
I mean, you talk about fentanyl,

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you know, another form of bio
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that's going on and on and on. You know, again, this is

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adding to the moral decadence of our
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it's adding to it. But it's
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you look at over sixty million abortions, when you look at same sex marriage,

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transgenderism, and all of these other
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not necessarily a cause. When you
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when He is not supreme and the
individual supreme, then anything is not

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only possible, anything is probable,
right, and this is where America is

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today. Say, but to your
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you read the Book of Revelations and
you see Jesus's description of the churches and

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you know, this is an indictment
upon the churches in today's church needs to

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look at to see where are you
in those churches amongst the lampstands that Jesus

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has identified and describing. Well,
look at those so called mainline churches.

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They've lost huge numbers of people because
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churches. Then you've had the gay
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out there as well. All are
welcome. Then people performing gay marriages.

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Why bother to go to a church
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There's nothing about conversion, there's nothing
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There's just nothing. You might as
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morning you'd be better off. And
that's what they've been doing. That's what

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they've chosen to do because they've abandoned
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part of my life cow has been
in marketing, and I honor an organization's

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brand that is absolutely precious. And
to see what the church has done in

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abandoning its brand, because when you
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the community, your force for good
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happening to your point. Well,
that's right. And the growing churches and

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the ones with the most members are
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week. That's what I hear at
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pastor, if you ever get off
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not staying an extra day. Don't
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of God, which is the one
Jesus said is the only kingdom is not

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passing away. This kingdom, you
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Israel. Yeah, the greatest line
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He said, put not your trust
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that cannot save exhaust in time.
They all pass away, turned to dust

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and amounts to nothing. So one
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is to get you to focus on
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and not the Lord himself. He
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I'll draw ammu to me. We're
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you're exactly right, whether we're talking
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and the thought came to mind.
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that John F. Kennedy gave to
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And how were he cast a vision
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do because of the vision that he
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I think he inspired people, and
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hyler and improves any life. But
now we are into envy, greeded entitlement.

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Corporations are evil, people aren't paying
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evil Republicans are going to take away
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for fifty years. It's all bologne, but the Republicans have never been able

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to really address that and to conquer
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the side of the liberals and the
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you know, Ronald Reagan used to
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life in Washington is a government program. With a great line. It's true,

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it's still a vampire that a government
program. Well, yeah, because

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look at all the waste. I
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he identified duplication of seventeen I think
it was at least seventeen agencies.

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cheese. They went into a catatonic
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the floor. Right. Well,
you know, government is their god.

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It's a perversion of the twenty third
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I shall not want. Yeah,
I walk through the fallery of the shadow

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of poverty, the Health and Human
Services Department will be there comforting me with

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food stamps and relief. Yeah.
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your life experience, I mean fifty
years. I just love hearing hearing your

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stories. And you know you've mentioned
Ronald Reagan. But let's let's go through

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a little bit. We just touched
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your reportage of John F. Kennedy. Well, my column hadn't started that.

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I was still a copy boy at
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the people I met, the people
I got to see because of my

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experience there, some of the congressional
hearings I went to all were part of

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the collective influence that turned me into
a real journalist. I mean, with

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only one small exception, I've been
in journalism all my life. I don't

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alive myself. I don't contribute to
campaigns. I'm not on any board paid

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positions, and so when people read
my columns, they can know that this

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is my own opinion, and they
can either agree or agree, but know

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that I'm not being paid for or
influenced by anybody. Now, they're not

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a lot of people in this business
like that anymore. A lot mostly Democrats

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who are coming from political offices like
George Stephanopolis and Good Morning America. Jake

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Tapper at CNN worked on the Hill. Chris Matthews, who used to be

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on MSNBC, was an aid to
Tom Foley, the former Speaker of the

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House. A lot of these people
came from Democrat politics and all of a

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sudden get stamped as journalists on their
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a rocket scientist. I think has
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in trustworthiness of the media. All
the polls show that they've shown it for

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years. But this is the only
profession that doesn't seem to care what people

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think. And yet newspapers are closing, they're downsizing. I say, today

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has become so thin you can now
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right exactly. Well, you know, this is this situation. I mean,

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here you've got Elon Musk who breaks
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says, okay, I'm going to
re embrace the First Amendment, and the

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rest of them are going nuts.
I mean, it's tough going against the

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headwinds of the Beltway and what's already
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coin, there is a certain operation
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If you're not, you're going to
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this is the arrogance of so many
of my colleagues, unfortunately, and

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you know, they had a monopoly
when I started out the business, NBC,

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ABC, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post. But then when

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the conservatives started coming along with talk
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fairness doctrine, which was really not
fair at all in stifled speech rather than

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encouraging it. And then you have
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and so many other outlets to Washington
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bloody murder because they felt that their
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only read their own stuff, you
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believe. Some conservatives do that too, But in journalism. I'll tell you

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a story. Guy I know the
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so ago and wanted to know something. I forget what it was. And

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then at the end of the conversation
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you still writing your column? And
I felt like saying, yeah, are

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you? I read yours? Why
don't you read mine? They only read

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stuff that reinforces what they already think. And anybody who thinks otherwise didn't go

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to the right universities is uneducated,
must be a religious fanatic, the right

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wing, maga republican, and so
therefore should not be considered exactly well,

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speaking of the universities, what came
out recently was a report that you know,

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journalists that are in the newsrooms today
come from I think about thirty nine

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universities almost exclusively. So they've got
a stranglehold and the doctrine is being repeat

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throughout these universities. So it's no
wonder that these kids coming into these new

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rooms. Newsrooms have been preconditioned with
a certain worldview. Well, I remember

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on my old Fox show I had
Leslie stall on, I know for some

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time, and the debate was then, as it is occasionally, about conservatives

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of the news business, and I
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at CBS. Well, I'm sure
we have some, I said, name

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one. Well, it's a big
salad there, so I'm sure we must

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have some. So after the interview, I ordered a salad ball and send

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it to her. There aren't any
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making level. I'll tell you a
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She was the religion reporter for World
News Tonight when Peter Jennings was the

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host. So they sent her out
on this story to do a story on

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people who were sick and believe through
prayer that God had healed them. So

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she interviewed a bunch of people who
who said that they had prayed and God

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healed them, and she put the
story together. So she sends it to

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New York and the Jewish producer just
tell you that because that's what he was

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called her. Okay, well,
we got your story now. Go back

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and reinterview those people and see why
they really think they were healed. And

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she said, no, no,
you sent me out to do this.

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And they believe they were healed because
God heal them. Yeah, yeah,

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I heard that. But go out
and find go reinterview them and find.

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So there's this blindness, deliberate blindness, so much of the hierarchy of the

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mainstream media today to what real Americans
experience, going to church, serving in

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the military, you know, raising
their kids properly. And again, it's

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the only profession I know of that
doesn't care what a substantial number of potential

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viewers and readers thinks. Yeah,
well, those are the same people that

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one politician wanted to put into the
basket of deplorables and recently said that she

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thought that they were fit to be
reprogrammed, needed to be sent to a

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camp and be re educated. Right, that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about.

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You can't have a rational, reasonable
discussion who people from with people who

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think you're intellectually inferior. You didn't
go to the right end of university.

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And most of all, a proof
of your idiocy is that you vote Republican

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and not for them. Well,
I think your strength, as you said

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earlier, Cal, is that you
don't have to care other than you're serving

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God and you're doing you know,
you have your own integrity and your commitment,

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you know, to yourself and your
family to honor yourselves. And you

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know, I think that's you know, that's a goal for all of us

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to maintain, so that we don't
get incorrectly influenced, that we know where

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our identity are, our true identity
comes from, and how we're to honor

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one another. Well, that's right. I have on the back of my

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watch people last of my favorite verse. I like all of them, but

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one I think that speaks to how
I got my column. How the door

434
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got opened for me is first Samuel
two thirty. He who honors me,

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I will honor. And as I
say in the preface of the book,

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A Watchman of the Night, I
hope God is pleased with that, because

437
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I have sought to honor Him with
whatever notoriety and visibility he has given me,

438
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I owe it all to him.
When did Jesus become real to you?

439
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Con Well, like many people,
I had parents who took me to

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church on Sunday, but we never
read the Bible in the home. We

441
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had one, but never to open
it up. My grandfather gave me a

442
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silver dollar once if I had memorized
the twenty third Psalm, and that was

443
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the last serious Bible study I ever
did until I was on this fast track

444
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to become a network correspondent at NBC
News, thinking that money and fame and

445
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:59.839
things would provide satisfaction. And I'd
made a goal for myself at the age

446
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of eighteen to be a network correspondent
by the time I was thirty. But

447
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.519
God had other ideas. By the
time I was thirty, I got fired

448
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and we had my wife and I
at the time, I had a little

449
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meeting in our home and she told
me, you know, you'll never be

450
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free of this desire to become a
success until you thank God for losing your

451
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.400
job. Now that sounds stupid to
a lot of people, but back then,

452
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my job was my God, as
that was my identity from exactly.

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And the Lord took me from that
and put me in the company of some

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amazing people, Richard Halverson, who
became my pastor and led me to Christ

455
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pastor Fourth Presbyterian Church of Methesda,
Maryland, later chaplain of the US Senate

456
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.279
Ralph Nabor, who taught me sound
doctrine pastor in Houston where I worked for

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a local TV station, And most
of all, Francis Schaeffer, the philosopher

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Elogion, who taught me how to
process ideas which through a Biblical perspective,

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which became the foundation of all my
writing. I'm not saying every column I

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write is a biblically defensible but I
hope none of them are biblically offensible exactly.

461
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No, I hear what you're saying, because when I was brought into

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the genre. I mean when I
first started in radio, you know,

463
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I was at juvenile, was a
disc jockey, a program director and just

464
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.960
having fun and working in LA radio
and kind of like you. I just

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to me it was going to be
a means to an end, not the

466
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be all and end all. But
God had a different idea. And then

467
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later on when I went to I
went back and finished my school and went

468
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to Bible College, and God says, well, I want you back behind

469
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the microphone. I said, you
got to be kidding me, you know,

470
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are you really? I mean,
do you realize when I was behind

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the microphone, before I was taking
dedications. I was you know, I

472
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was working with the likes of you
know, Wolfman, Jack and characters like

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that. Yeah, exactly, yeah
so so yeah, so so it was

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quite a shock. Well that's the
other thing. You know, what you

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just said is very, very important. We had this idea that we can

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only serve God if we do something
in a religious realm. Yes, something

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we call full time Christian service.
Well, every believer ought to be a

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full time Christian service. And this
is one of the problems and one of

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the reasons so much of the media
and Hollywood and academia have become dominated by

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the secular progressives because so many believers
have not filled that vacuum. We've created

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a vacuum exact the other side has
been willing to rush in. So it's

482
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not all their fault. A lot
of it is our wrongheaded view of what

483
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it means to fully serve God.
If you've got a talent as a singer

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or an actor, or a writer, any or a teacher, go serve

485
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God in these places. It's just
as important as being a missionary, in

486
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fact, a traditional missionary. In
fact, you are a missionary. Every

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believer is a missionary exactly. Powers
and I mentioned earlier. You know,

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he used to be asked where his
church was, and instead of giving an

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address, he'd looked at his watch. So my church is in government,

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00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:14.280
it's in academia, it's in whatever. So this is the real church,

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Christ in you, not a building, not a denomination, but Christ in

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you. You know, cal when
I go through the contents of your book,

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I mean you must think it sometimes. I mean you just think for

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a moment. Gosh, you're like
the Forrest Gump. I mean, because

495
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.519
all these things that you've experienced.
I mean it's not that I mean,

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not only did you write about them, but as you mentioned, you know,

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what a privilege and honor to meet
a cast of characters that were such

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a part of history. Life is
like a box of chocolates. Yet well

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there it is. Well, you
know you've gone through, you know,

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this history of this great country,
great presidents, times where we have been

501
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h you know, experiencing incredible trials. One that you addressed, you know,

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definitively was you know, Rodney King, you know, which was the

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beginning, I believe, one of
the early stages of you know, kind

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of announcing to people that we had
serious problems that needed to be addressed.

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00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:15.480
Well, this goes back to the
sixties. Of course, I was around

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her and all the civil rights movement, the demonstrations, riots and the rest.

507
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So that was the precursor to the
rest. But what the media,

508
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though, do they love focusing on
this stuff because it feeds a narrative.

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They don't cover successful African Americans very
often. They only go after those terrible

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white racists who suppress black people.
That's their narrative. And when they find

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something like a Rodney King or a
George Floyd or some of the others,

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and Al Sharpton rushes it used to
be Jesse Jackson, and you know,

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stands or the cameras and denounces this
and that. Now, what a black

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person kills a white person, it's
not news. What a black person kills

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00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.880
another black person, it's not news. Look at Chicago, people are killing

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00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.360
each other every night of the week. In Los Angeles, in New York

517
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and all our major cities, all
run by liberal Democrats. Of course,

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does the media ever make that point. No, do they ever cover much

519
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.280
of that. No, they only
do it on the occasion when say,

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a white police officer trying to subdue, usually a black criminal with a long

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rap sheet is unfortunately killed. So
it's all part of a narrative that you

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know, America is a bad country. Black people are oppressed and can never

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00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:35.360
make it without government. White people
are racist, and if you believe there

524
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are only two genders, then you're
one of many kinds of fobes. Right.

525
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Well, the thing that's amazing is
they'll force fit, you know,

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some of the narrative kind of like
what they did. Because this left me

527
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.679
perplexing because I'd never heard of a
white Mexican before cal I had to call

528
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.840
my mother. I go, you
know, in the course, I've been

529
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.920
accused because I'm so light complexed,
because it's interesting. My mother was from

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Mexico, my dad from Spain,
so every other child was. It was

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dark light, dark light, so
I got the light complexion. But I

532
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.800
had to call my mother and I
said, the news in Florida is reporting

533
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:13.280
that, you know, Zimmerman is
a white Hispanic. Well, all this

534
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.360
identity politics that's played. You know, we have a national motto, e

535
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:21.960
plurbus unham out of many, one
yes, but now we become out of

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00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.239
one many. We're now hyphenated Americans. It used to be that people would

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come to America. They'd learn English, they would embrace the Constitution, they

538
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.079
would read and study and learn our
history. But they don't do that anymore.

539
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.840
Some schools will stop saying the pledge
of allegiance because there's so many kids

540
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.679
from other countries, right, Well, if their country is so great,

541
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.800
why are they here? Why are
their parents here? Exactly? I think

542
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:49.760
it's very very discouraging. You you
can't have a nation that is hyphenated,

543
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:57.239
and it's will we become the Ununited
States is really by the hyphenation process.

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And the thing is is that with
legal immigration college, you know, is

545
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that legal immigrants came and they loved
America, you know, like my parents,

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00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:09.440
I mean the key, you know, my dad he wanted us to

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assimilate so much so that you know, we learned a little bit of Spanish.

548
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.079
You know, I will say a
bit embarrassingly. I wish I was

549
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.960
more fluent. Several of the kids
became fluent because their jobs took them in

550
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.320
that area, for me being in
broadcasting, you know, I worked in

551
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.840
English radio. But for my parents, our parents wanted us to assimilate.

552
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.840
Yeah, well, you mentioned about
skin color a minute ago. I think

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00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:44.440
somebody who's done a tremendous job.
Contributing to the conversation about race in America

554
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:49.119
is Skip Gates of Harvard. He's
had this waterful series on PBS called African

555
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.199
American Lives or What About Reconstruction.
He's a Harvard professor, but don't hold

556
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.679
a guest it. He did this
his first show on African American Lives.

557
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:04.440
He did these DNA tests on people
to trace their history back to their slave

558
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.880
ancestors. And as he said,
the slave masters are pretty bad people,

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but they did keep good records because
they thought these people were property. And

560
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.159
so he decided one day he would
do a DNA test on himself and he

561
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.519
found that he was over sixty percent
irish. I said, Skip, you

562
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:28.199
sure don't look irish. But that's
the point. We're all up in the

563
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:32.960
grand gene pool of life. You
know, how you look doesn't determine who

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you are. My identity isn't in
my race, it's not in my gender.

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It's in my God, who has
saved me. That's where my identity

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00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.360
is. And you know, Paul
writes, in Christ there is no Greek

567
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:52.199
or Gentile. There's no no Jew
or Gentile or Greek. We're all the

568
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.800
same, And that's the kind of
attitude we should have, not only biblically,

569
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.639
but also as an American citizen.
And that's how it started with our

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00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.360
founding fathers, when the Pilgrims first
came, and our founding fathers, you

571
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.639
know, started with a white sheet
of paper and said, Hey, we're

572
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.480
going to do something revolutionary here on
many levels, including a manifesto that was

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going to be laid out in the
Declaration of Independence backed up by the US

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Constitution. Right right, That's exactly
right. And that's something else that doesn't

575
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:25.800
taught very much anymore. You asked
people to name the First Amendment or any

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00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:30.519
one of the first ten Amendments,
they're as unlikely to be able to do

577
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.719
that as they could name any of
the Ten Commandments. We just don't teach

578
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.719
those kinds of things. And what
kind of a degree? You know?

579
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:39.960
So many people I just was out
in Los Angeles. I wrote a column

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00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:47.239
about their public schools there. California
is the number one state for illiteracy in

581
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.599
this country. Wow, imagine illiteracy. How does that happen? Because people

582
00:42:53.639 --> 00:43:01.840
are focused on same sex locker rooms
and bathroom and racial this and gender that,

583
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.679
and not teaching things that really equip
a young person for a decent education

584
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:12.239
and a way to support themselves when
they get out of school. Well,

585
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.840
this is what happens when you abandon
first principles. Look at our military right

586
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.719
now. I mean, you've got
a general that says, I'm so proud

587
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.360
because we've got the most diverse military. Well, i'll tell you what.

588
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.760
You can't go ahead ahead with Putin
or President G with the most diverse military.

589
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.519
I want a military there that knows
what emission's all about. Right,

590
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.000
that is exactly right. And then
you've got all the gender thing going on,

591
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.239
and you have fewer and fewer people
enlisting in the military because they don't

592
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:43.719
want to put up with this nonsense. Right, So the military is killing

593
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itself. Plus the budget is basically
frozen. Meanwhile, G and Putin and

594
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:52.920
others are ramping up their military and
they're going to do bad things. Yeah,

595
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:58.679
exactly, because we know that avoid
can't exist. America has proudly been

596
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.440
in that place. Look what's happening
right now, even in the most recent

597
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:07.360
situations. America's position in the Mid
East. In the Middle East, just

598
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.920
for one, it's quite obvious we're
lacking influence there and without America. Then

599
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:20.199
it gives rise to these malcontents and
these Arab nations that only want to do

600
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.599
harm. I don't see any good
that they want to promote. Well,

601
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.960
we have to take them at their
word. This is one of the big

602
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.800
mistakes we made. Margaret Thatcher had
a great line some years ago. She

603
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:35.599
said, we in the West make
a mistake when we transpose our morality on

604
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.440
those who don't share it. Exactly. You look how this administration and the

605
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.800
Obada administration, which I believe is
still running the country by the way,

606
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:47.400
approached Iran and this Iran nuclear deal. I mean, you have people in

607
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:53.000
Iran and these mulas who believe that
they're God. They call Allah has commanded

608
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:58.719
them to destroy Israel, to kill
all the Jews, and then to come

609
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.760
after what they call the cross sworshippers, that'd be the Christians and even moderate

610
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:07.639
Muslims and the non believers. Now, how do you sit across a table

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from people who believe their God.
Once you dead, it's claris to compromise

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there. Oh okay, instead of
bombing you will just shoot you to death.

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Oh great, let's take hands on
that. That's crazy And the only

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thing you're negotiating is your funeral at
that point. Yeah, there you go,

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man, I only have about five
more minutes here, I've got another

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interview. I got to do so
right exactly, Well, we're down to

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the last We're down to the last
too, here right now with this interview.

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Cal again, congratulations on the book. What I've seen over fifty years

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reporting on America, I know this
is going to be such an incredible walk

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down memory lane for those of us
who have lived through these experiences, and

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it's such a blessing to hear,
you know, firsthand from someone like yourself,

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because it brings it into proper focus, I believe. Well, thank

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you, Bill. It begins in
nineteen eighty four, at the start of

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Ronald Reagan's second term. It's where
my column started, and we do a

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year by year thing highlighting not everything, but some of the things that I

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felt were important to write about.
It's not a column collection, but it's

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excerpts and commentary, and there's some
funny stuff in there too, So I

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hope your viewers will get a copy. I like to say on all my

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books, I have a money back
guarantee if you do not like it.

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I guarantee you not to give your
money back. Well, that's honest.

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Why not call as we wrap things
up? What would you say to tomorrow's

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journalist? What you know? What
bit of advice would you give them?

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I would say that you should see
yourself as serving the public, not just

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yourself. I would say that the
journalism is an honorary profession. Some people

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have dishonored it. But if you're
a young person going into it and learn

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about people who went before, people
who you should respect. Read good writers,

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read different opinions, form your own
opinions, but based on facts,

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not feelings exactly, and work out
the facts and report them accurately. And

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if there are two sides to a
story, report the other side, even

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if it's one you disagree with,
with fairness and accuracy. That's the highest

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calling of a journalist. And I
think that is what the kind of journalism

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I grew up with kind I continue
to try to model for other people.

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Well, that is awesome wisdom,
and thank you so much for sharing that.

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I know it comes from your fifty
plus years of experience in practical application.

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Cal tell me I don't look that
old bill. You know you don't

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you really without Aunt cal Thomas,
thank you so much for being with us.

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Get a pleasure. Thank you,
you got it. The honor has

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been ours cal Thomas. We thank
him for you know, coming on the

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show. He is author of the
book A Watchman in the Night What I've

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seen over fifty years reporting on America. For more information to be a part

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of this mighty movement to return to
God and to save our country, check

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it out Bill Martinez Show dot com. And God bless you and keep you.

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Make his face shine upon you.
May he be gracious unto you and

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give you peace. Go and be
blessed. Thank you so much for being

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with us. Take care,