June 5, 2023

2020 Presidential election-Debunked?

2020 Presidential election-Debunked?

Perhaps no issue in America has been more polarizing than the 2020 Presidential election. On one side there are claims of a “stolen” election, foreign infiltration of election equipment, middle-of-the-night ballot dumps, and impossible mathematical...

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Perhaps no issue in America has been more polarizing than the 2020 Presidential election. On one side there are claims of a “stolen” election, foreign infiltration of election equipment, middle-of-the-night ballot dumps, and impossible mathematical anomalies. On the other side, everything is dismissed as “baseless,” “debunked,” and “conspiratorial.” Here to sort it out is Joe Fried, a professional auditor, CPA and the author of the book, Debunked?

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w FORCY Radio. I'm Bill Martinez. Is always great to be sharing some

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time with you, and we're gonna
be talking about something that here before has

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been a problem for some people.
They don't want to talk about it.

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It's been squashed. But yet polling
will tell us that as high as sixty

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five percent, in some cases as
high as seventy percent of the people believe

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that something is not according to Hoyle, with the twenty twenty elections, and

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we're not afraid about it. We're
not afraid to talk about those issues because

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I think it's most important if we're
ever going to get to the other side.

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The fact the matter is, as
voter fraud has been going on forever.

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I mean back into the seventeen hundreds, if you look back at it,

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and you cannot listen to a former
Attorney General, Eric Holder, who

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looked in the camera during the Obama
years and said there's no such thing as

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voter fraud, which I think is
quite ridiculous because you've got to consider how

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many people are being investigated, how
many people have been convicted in jail because

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of voter fraud. Well, if
it doesn't exist, what are they doing

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in jail? But you know,
such as the way things should go.

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Our next guest, Joseph Freed,
has done us all a humongous favor in

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writing this book, Debunked an audit
reviews the twenty twenty election and the lessons

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learned. Joseph Freed is a certified
public accountant. He is an auditor.

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And what you appreciate about people who
are wired thus Lee is that they're able

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to look at the numbers and talk
about them in a way that makes sense.

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There's no political spin about this.
It's just here's what the numbers are

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telling us, as they say,
Perhaps no issue in America has been more

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polarizing than the twenty twenty presidential election. On one side, there are claims

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of a stolen election, for an
infiltration of the election equipment, middle of

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the night, ballot dumps, and
impossible mathematical anomalies. Joseph Freed is here

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right now to talk about his book
and to help us understand what happened.

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Joseph Freed, welcome to show.
Good to have you with us. Thank

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you, Bill. It's great to
be here. I've been looking forward to

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this because this is a question that
people have hesitated. I mean, they

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keep asking, but it's it's usually
in the back room where it's quiet but

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not wide open. But here we
dare to go where full spirits of rome,

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I guess, and that is that, hey, look at We've got

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to get to the bottom of this
so that it truly we don't want this

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to happen again. We got to
know the whole truth and nothing but Joe,

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that's right. I appreciate that you
represented that I try to be neutral.

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I try to be objective, I
really do, but that doesn't mean

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I don't have strong opinions. Because
the truth is, I think the facts

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suggest very strongly that we rushed into
certifications prematurely, and that was the conclusion

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I reached for six swing states.
When I analyze them in depth, I

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almost hesitate to say that sometimes because
I know it turns certain people off.

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But if they ear me out,
I'll make the case and I'm ready to

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debate if that's what they want to
do. Well, you know, I

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appreciate the opportunity because here it is, let's get the facts on the table,

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and they're clearly had to be a
strategy of some sort. And I

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don't I don't say that to you
know, prejudice the conversation, but common

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sense would say that there were some
target areas. You mentioned six swing states,

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for example, so that had to
be the target because those were the

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states because they could swing right right, exactly exactly. And if the six

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swing states are Arizona, Georgia,
Michigan, a lot of Pennsylvania and Wisconsin,

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and each of those had real problems, and a lot of those problems

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relate to the new mail in bail
at phenomenon. I shouldn't say it's new,

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but it never existed in this at
this scale before, and it creates

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tremendous problems. In fact, I
just stumbled. I'm almost embarrassed to say

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I was slow to get to this
last problem. Just a few days ago,

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I wrote an article about Jesse Morgan. That's the truck driver who drove

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YESA made a two hundred eighty eight
thousand up to that number. He didn't

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know the exact number, but he
said it was substantial. It filled his

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truck, his tractor trailer, as
this is a semi a big truck.

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And he drove from Bethpage, New
York into Pennsylvania and he started to wonder,

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why am I carrying all these ballots
They appeared to be filled out to

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have return addresses. He guess the
Harrisburg his normal place, and they won't

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give him any piece of paper.
They won't talk to him for six hours

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he's sitting there, and then they
say, go to Lancaster. And he

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said, that makes no sense.
I said, the mail for Lancaster.

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There's five percent of my load.
It's in the front of the truck.

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We're gonna have to unload ninety five
percent of this truck that's for Harrisburg.

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And I'm right here in Harrisburg.
Why would I do that? They got

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kind of porky with him and nasty, and they wouldn't give him a late

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slip so he could get paid over
time. They wouldn't give him anything,

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and he drives the Lancaster. He
parks this truck. It's now it's late

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in the day, so he stays
overnight, I guess in a motel.

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Next morning, the tractor trailer disappears. It's gone, and it's been gone

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for and nobody's known where it is
for ages. I put in freedom of

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information request to find out. But
there was, and this is what was

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kind of new to me. I
scrutinized very carefully that they had a closing

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memorandum the Inspector General of the Post
Office. They looked into this matter in

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depth, and I don't know when
they actually made it public, but it's

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a way back in April of twenty
two, and if you look at it,

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Bill, it blows your mind.
It is so obviously something wrong here.

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This is what the Inspector General says. A year and a half after

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the incident, and at least a
year of investigating and twenty interviews, they

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claimed, and very rigorous investigation.
And do you know what they concluded.

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They don't know. They said that
there were six hundred and fifty thousand billets

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printed in New York two hundred thousand
for Chester County, which is real close

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to Philadelphia four hundred and fifty for
Philadelphia County. And the post office doesn't

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know if it took him or not, and the printer guess what else,

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The printer doesn't know how they got
there. Neither side can tell. I

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mean, have they heard of tracking? When I mail something? I used

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something called tracking. Maybe somebody post
office you could track your mail. They

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don't. They actually said they don't
know how they got there. It's stunning.

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In other words, just to cover
up. And I'll tell you something,

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something, Joe, something as important
as somebody's vote is just willing nelly

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out there. They have no idea
where it's at really right. And I

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didn't realize I've been telling people,
well this people are harvesting that. You

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know, they're setting up phantom people. They're finding out who seldom votes,

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and when they see that you seldom
vote, they try to get your ballot.

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But I realize there's an easier way
if you can work in cahoots with

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a printer. They're pretty See,
they print everything, they fold them,

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they mail them out to the people, and if you intercept them. I

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have a feeling some of those ended
up in Jesse Morgan's tractor trailer, and

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that's why they disappeared. They made
them take them to Scrant, them to

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Lancaster. I think it was right
so there. So what it taught me

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is that mail in ballots are terribly, terribly difficult to control. It's there,

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they've got it. We got to
cut those down. It's got to

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be absolutely bailists just for people who
are disabled or who are traveling out of

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the country or the state. We
cannot have this mass mail and baillist because

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it's weak at every point from the
print around down. Well, didn't didn't.

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Isn't that what Jimmy Carter in two
thousand and five with Secretary of State

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James Baker had discerned in their Commission
on Federal Election Reform. Absolutely, and

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the Democrats used to be very different
about all this. But what Trump said

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that they regarded this so horrible.
Yoe, I tell I'll tell you what,

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Joe. I hang on, We
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hundred five seven seven fifty three nineteen. Hey, welcome back. We're talking

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with Joseph Freed, professional auditor and
CPA. His book A Debunked question Mark

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An Auditor reviews the twenty twenty election
and the lessons learned. Joe, A

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little bit about your background and your
heart. It wasn't that you decided to

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write this book as a partisan.
You decided to write this book as a

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CPA to look at it based on
your giftings and talents and running the numbers

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to see how does the math add
up that tells us that Joe Biden got

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over eighty million votes. Yeah,
well, I've got a right away put

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the disclaimer, and I'm not representing
the AICPA, the American Institute of CPAs.

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They wouldn't like it if anybody did
that. But you're right, I

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really try not to be partisan.
It's going to come off that way,

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frankly, because there's such a difference
between the outlook of Democrats and Republicans on

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voter integrity issues. I mean,
Democrats stress suppression of the vote, is

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the key thing, and Republicans say
integrity of the vote. Democrats want to

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make voting easy and Republicans want to
make it secure. And there's a real

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contrast. I favored the Republican position
on that because I want security first,

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exactly, Bill, if you want
well, yeah, I've been auditing,

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by the way, for I'm not
right now. I'm retired. I just

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retired, but over forty years.
I also was a peer reviewer for thirty

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years, and that means I would
go into other CPA firms and look at

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the quality of their work and judge
that for the American Institute of CPA.

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So I know my business, but
I have so many issues. Do you

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want me to jump into some of
these states because I'd have to talk with

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to get through. Yeah, no, I definitely want to do that.

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But I want to make sure the
audience understands that you don't have a political

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acts to grind here. I mean
that you are doing a service to the

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American people because I'm like you,
I think partisanship is what's divided our country.

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We have to return to first principles, principles and remember why we're doing

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this to begin with. I mean, this is about the American idea,

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preserving it so that we can pass
it on to the next generation. Right,

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absolutely, And I am a Republican, but I was for much of

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my life a Democrat, and I'm
in the old school Democrats, so not

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the new stuff. Remember, just
like you said, Jimmy Carter believed in

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voter integrity very much, along with
Jim Baker. Those two wrote this gold

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standard I'm voting and it said nooring
though I'm just back to that. That's

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all no, and I'm with you
on it. But again, I just

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want to make sure people understand your
heart on this, because so much of

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what's been discussed about the election has
been partisanized, if I might say,

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and as a result, people invalidate
the information. Well this is dangerous.

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If we invalidate the information, we're
going to continue to process this mess.

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Because I may mention to you the
first time we talked, I was shocked

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that the Democrats became so blatant about
voter fraud. From one end, you

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got Eric Holder saying voter fraud doesn't
exist, and then the next thing,

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when we were talking about the problems
with twenty twenty, they said, well,

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if the truth be known, JFK
wouldn't have been elected in nineteen sixty

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hadn't it been for some gnatigans in
Illinois. But you've got to be kidding

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me. I mean, so no
wonder we are where we are right now.

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We've been missing the mark over the
decades to this degree to where now

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we've got the twenty twenty and you've
got sixty percent of the people going,

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he's not my president. We don't
believe in the legitimacy of the vote,

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and that does not vote well for
this Democratic Republic, doesn't. Yeah,

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and people should keep in mind when
it comes to people say, oh,

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there's millions of hundreds of millions of
votes, Well, when you get down

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to the nitty gritty, it only
takes two or three states. And sometimes,

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just to put it in perspective,
think of a few cases of copy

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or paper, a few cases that
big. It could be three or four

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cases that swings the whole presidential election. It's that little People don't understand a

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little bit of cheating goes in the
right place, goes a long way,

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exactly. Okay, So let's talk
about the swing states and break it down

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just as you wanted to do.
Go ahead, Okay, I'm gonna go

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fast. The Arizona is not even
close. It's disgraceful that that was certified.

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But there was a test done by
doctor Shiva Ayaduri. It was after

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the election, ways after it.
He assembled a panel of six people,

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three of whom were document examiner examiners, and they examined a random sample of

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four hundred and ninety nine ballots as
signatures rather not ballots. And he asked

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each one, each of the six, compare that signature, the four hundred

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ninety nine signatures to the registration copies. Do you know that twelve percent?

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They unanimously agreed that twelve percent did
not match. Twelve percent would be the

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equivalent in Maricopa County. If you
discount the mail in votes, that's two

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hundred and four thousand invalid ballists potentially. Now you can't say as a fact,

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but think about it. How they
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five to one or four to two, we're talking six zero. Not one

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of these people could see a similarity
enough to say that's a match. And

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even if they were off by ninety
percent, let's say the ninety percent of

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their findings were mistaken, it still
would be twenty thousand twice the vote,

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the winning margin of Biden twice as
much. Exactly right, It's impossible.

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Okay, what else? This one
I love to talk about because it's almost

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comical. The overseas military vote Maricopa
County split fairly evenly. Trump did get

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fewer votes. He got about forty
nine percent. Biden got about fift one

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percent. Do you know what percentage
Biden got of the overseas military vote?

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He got ninety five percent, exactly
Trump to five percent. Now, how

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do you go from fifty one to
ninety five percent? And do you no

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one else? There was no chain
of custody. It was on typing paper,

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there was no accountability for it.
It was very frustrating. I'm going

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to keep moving though, because well, well and real quick and real quick.

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When you talk about the military again, posters others you know that project

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to what happens with the election,
they go based on history. This was

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such a huge anomaly, right,
I mean, this wasn't even in the

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zipcom Oh yeah, this this is
crazy. That that tells you right there.

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I hate to use the F word, the fraud word, but boy,

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oh boy, I mean, come
on, let's get real here.

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Now here's another one. This alone
should disqualify that st election. Seven hundred

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forty thousand Baylis had no chain of
custody in that election. Now, that

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was done by Verity Vote out of
Pennsylvania. Very good group, very and

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I looked carefully at their work on
this and it was meticulous. So that's

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another huge thing. Election decided by
ten thousand, four hundred and you got

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seven hundred forty thousand, no chant
of custody. Now, this last one

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here, I've never talked about before. Do we have time to have a

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couple of minutes more? YEA,
yeah, we've got. We got we

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got two and a half minutes in
this second because this one is so hard

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to describe, but there was an
allegation of a whistleblower step forward and said,

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I was in a meeting with the
Democrats a month or two before the

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election, and they said they were
going to plant they were going to swing

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thirty five thousand votes in p Ma
County, and they were going to spread

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them widely so that they would be
undetectable. They said, And it's in

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my book. It's a very credibly
worded memo. It sounds like an auditor

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said it actually, and so how
do you prove that? Well, I

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don't know. I mean I a
criminal referral was made and I was or

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the whistleblower's statement was sent to the
FBI. I have tried to contact them.

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They will give you no information.
But doctor Shiva AYODERI, a very

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smart scientist, came up with the
most ingenious way of showing that it happened.

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And I don't know if you could
see this, yes, okay,

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do you see the red is Trump
and the green is Biden? And okay,

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star it's over here. And anyway, what it's showing is that for

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most of the precincts, all of
those that had voter ID, a voter

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turnout that was reasonable under Trump was
leading all the other Republicans, and Biden

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was trailing all the other Democrats.
And all of a sudden, you get

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to one hundred forty precincts that have
unrealistically ridiculous turnouts going all the way almost

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to one hundred percent from ninety two
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guess what happens. That's why you
saw that swing there, that it went

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all of a sudden, Trump is
trailing all Republicans and buying this leading all

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Democrats. That's because they didn't have
time to change everybody's vote. Right the

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where it leads, the whole truth, and nothing but our guest Joe Freed,

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he is an auditor and he's reviewing
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learned with his book Debunked question mark, Joe, as you were stating and

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breaking it down before, I mean, you know, before we went to

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break you started to talk specifically about
some of the swing state Shenanigans. Pick

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it up from there. Okay,
let me go to another one that it's

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hard to talk with that chart.
I hope that came through. But let's

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go to Georgia. Georgia, I'm
going to talk about two things or two

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or three things real fast. First
of all, the rejection rate stole the

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election right there. Okay, they
their rejection rate as a state, if

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you go from twenty sixteen election to
the twenty twenty election, it dropped to

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one eighteenth. In other words,
they rejected eighteen times more for bad ballots

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in sixteen as they did in twenty. That was the swing of seventy eight

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thousand in an election of about decided
by about twelve thousand. But here's the

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kicker. Here's the evidence of probable
fraud that you could say, well,

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okay, they changed their standards.
They had a new consent to create so

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forth Fulton County forty two minority.
And I bring that up only for one

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reason because we're told that minorities supposed
that we're told by Democrats that minorities have

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trouble with paperwork. Well, guess
what. They were seven times better at

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getting their ballots through than the whole
rest of Georgia. They didn't drop to

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one eighteenth, they dropped to one
one hundred and twenty eighth vis the miracle

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of COVID. Joe, Yeah,
just a miracle. COVID made him do

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it. It's so obvious. Now
I'm gonna jump to another one because this

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is will always gets people voter.
Gad Garland Faborrito is an elderly gentleman.

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He knows a lot. He's a
crusader, he's a tech guy, and

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he and his cyber helpers requisition some
images of Fulton County, Georgia, balance

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and there were a low resolution and
they're still fighting to get the originals.

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But they they're still fighting. But
anyway, even the low resolution told us

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a lot because what they found.
These are scanned. When they scan an

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image in Georgia, they've got to
have two files made. They have to

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have the image file and the authentication
file. That's a requirement of the law.

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There's two files made simultaneously, sixteen
thousand had image files that were dated

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days before the authentication file. How
does that happen? And then another one

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hundred thirty two had no authentication file. They could have been made in somebody's

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basement. They're just images, they
could have been photoshop. They mean nothing.

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And but here's the corker. They
also had four thousand that were timestamped

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with the identical to the split second
time stamp. Now it takes a full

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second in Georgia to scan a ballot. How do you scan four thousand and

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they're all dated precisely the same.
It's impossible. All these things are impossibilities

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in Georgia. And I'll give you
one final one for Georgia real quickly,

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move on. Two independent tests showed
that ten thousand plus more than ten thousand

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people had already moved out permanently,
out of the state, and yet they

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voted, Okay, do you want
me to move to Michigan? Michigan?

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No, No, hang on,
hang on second, just for a matter,

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Let's let's just pause and drink that
in for a minute, because we

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know we know from postal records,
roughly twenty twenty five percent in normal cases,

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people will move every year, and
you've got cases, especially in swing

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states, and this is throughout the
electorate where they're not staying on top of

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this, they're not updating records,
and avoidant requests have proven this to be

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the case. And so you know, it's it's interesting. You know,

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when Trump kind of off the cuff
says, hey, go find me twelve

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thousand votes, it should have been, you know, pretty academic all things

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considered, although we can't say that
even when we're just kidding, because somehow

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that offends people. Well, I
go into the Trump phone conversation with Reffensburger.

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I go into that in detail in
my book, and it's so obvious

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if you see the context that he
wasn't saying, go fabricate these he had.

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He had just been talking at length
about five thousand here, one hundred

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thousand here, all these baillists,
you've got find me. Some of those

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you don't have to find me.
All he was what he was really trying

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to says, I don't need three
hundred thousand ballots. I think I have

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them, but just get me what
I need. And now he's got the

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huge legal troubles for that. I
know. It's interesting well, the Democrats

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seem to ask that question and they
got an answer. Donald Trump didn't.

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You're saying, right, yeah,
okay, all right, let's let's go

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on to the next swing stage.
Okay. Well, Michigan's an easy one

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because really I'm going to put this
to your audience in a way. And

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now, imagine a state where,
like all these swing states, there's no

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ID required when you send it the
ballot. But in Michigan you don't need

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it either when you apply for the
ballot or when you said it. There's

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just no idea, okay, And
so what does the Secretary of State Joscelyn

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Benson do, without any reason?
She mails out seven point seven million ballot

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applications to everybody in the world in
her state, and only three point three

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million of those got you. So
there was an extra four point four million

403
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ballot applications floating around. You don't
need a ID to use them. And

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guess what else. At the same
time, she makes this incredible announcement,

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we're going to presume that all signatures
are valid. So they're telling the fraudster.

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I mean, if you see one
of those four point four million ballots,

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you picked one up. It says
it's preprinted. It says Mary Smith

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at this address, signed Mary Smith's
name. Send it in because they're going

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to presume it's right and there's no
ID required. Oh but there's no cheating

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in Michigan. Well, it's just
the honor system. In other ways,

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there's nothing but honor system. And
I don't think there's enough honor to make

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it work. Well, I was
going to say, I mean, here

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you are, you're telling people come
on in and cheat. You know,

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the door is open and with impunity. Right, that's right? And Trump

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suit her and guess what he won. Four months after the election was certified.

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He won. I can do Boddy
good to gourd jo. Let me

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ask you this question here, just
regarding an individual, what happens if you

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never registered to vote, how would
you know that someone voted for you?

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Well, there are someone cast a
vote in your name. Well you wouldn't

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know that, would you. Yeah, I don't think you would. See

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there's different ways this works. That
would be sort of like a phantom voter,

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where they sort of create one out
of thin air, maybe based on

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an address, but sometimes you check
the addresses they're a parking lot or something.

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Then there's a second type is where
they you know, anybody, believe

425
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it or not, can get access
to anybody can find out if I voted

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in the last election, or if
you voted. That's that's public information.

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They can't find out who you voted
for, but they can find out if

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you voted. So you go to
these voted roles. So you say,

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well, look, Mary Smith hasn't
voted in ten years, she voted just

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once. Chances are she's not going
to vote in this election, so we'll

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just we'll just apply and get her
thing in the third way is what I

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started the program with. I was
not tuned into. But you maybe can

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get these ballots right from the printer
directly intercept them or work with a friendly

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printer and you get them that way. But you're right, Bill, I'm

435
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not sure that the people would know. I mean, yeah, it's very

436
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hard. Well, when you talk
about printers and being involved here, maybe

437
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that explains why the date stamp was
so consistent, right, Yeah, Well,

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I think that was possibly in Fulton
County. I just think in that

439
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case, I think it was the
Fulton County people. They were under pressure

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by voter ga Garland Faborino to come
up with these images. They didn't know

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they were going to have to do
that, so they didn't know what to

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do. So they made these images
and they were they didn't realize they said,

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oh, oh wait a minute,
now we make we stuffed these ballots,

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we make an image, and now
they can tell that we're doing this

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too after the date because of this
authentic authentication file, so that I'm sure

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they were a lot of them were
worried about that. Well, they are

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thing Joe. We got about a
minute lecture in this segment. The other

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thing that occurs is that when they're
when they're doing you know, when they're

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doing this. As you say,
data has an idea of it. It

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has its own footprint, doesn't it. M Yeah, I think that that's

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what voter ga has done so well. And there's a great presentation. It's

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a video. People in the audience
should go see it a voter Ga.

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It's on their website and Garland Favorito
goes to these there's actually I just mentioned

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a few things. They've got fifteen
things that are either impossible or very questionable.

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one. Welcome back. We're back
with your Bill Martinez and Joe Freed.

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Joe Freed, the author of the
book Debunked question Mark and Ouditor Reviews,

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the twenty twenty election and the Lessons
Learned. Before we get into some of

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the lessons and solutions, Joe,
one thing that I thought was incredibly interesting

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was what happened with you know,
these uh, these hospitals, these senior

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hospitals. People were uh, you
know, people clearly that were not,

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you know, very very loosened.
Somehow they voted. They hadn't voted,

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their own family members said they han't
voted in years, and somehow all of

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a sudden, these uh, you
know, these residents are turning out one

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00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:06.360
hundred percent voting averages, which was
unheard of. Yeah, there is in

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Wisconsin. They discovered they tested ninety
one, but they actually have over well

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over five hundred nursing homes, right, but they tested ninety one and of

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the ninety one, seventy percent had
perfect one hundred percent voting turn out.

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That this is unheard of. You
know, the US averages around seventy percent.

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So uh and some of these seniors
couldn't even stay awake for more than

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a minute. They were practically comatast. I mean, it was kind of

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ludicrous. This is something too,
it's very abusive. I'm going to address

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00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.719
this. I'm coming out with a
new book in a couple of months and

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00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.920
hopefully it'll have all these solutions,
and one of them has to do with

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the voter abuse in the nursing homes. It's a it's a pretent, yeah,

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without a doubt. It just reminds
me of with the what that one

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00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.039
year when Obama and Pennsylvania there was
something like fifty eight voting districts had voted

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one hundred percent for Barack Obama.
That's impossible, you mean, common sense

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00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.119
tell you that the only way you
can do that is you have to manufacture

519
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.239
that. Yeah, but it's hard
to prove in a courtroom. That's the

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00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.760
problem. This doesn't lend itself because
you know, all the judge wants to

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see is show me which ballots are
wrong? You know, well, how

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00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.880
do I do that? It's just
you have everything wrong. Well, and

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that's that's the whole point of all
this, Joe, as you say,

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this thing is so massive that it's
hard to you know, pin the tail

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on the elephant or the donkey here
so that we know exactly what took place,

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because you're not getting a whole lot
of cooperation, even from the states

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that are willing to say, Okay, we're going to take responsibility and give

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the confidence to the rest of the
electorate that we know we're doing kind of

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like what Florida did when they decided, hey, look we got tired of

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being made fun of. And so
you know governor of Santis, well before

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him was Rick Scott, who came
in and said this is unacceptable, and

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we're going to be intend to make
sure that our voting roles and the process

533
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is uh, you know, it's
cleaned up. That's right. One of

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the big points in my book is
that see, we ask the wrong question

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to me if the see if the
records are terrible, like in Avada,

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for example, gutted all their rules
before the twenty twenty election. Therefore,

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when I'm asked, well, what
did what evidence you have? It was

538
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hard to have any evidence when there
are no rules or and there's no standards.

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You say, and you go to
a judge, he'll say, well,

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show me what exactly happened. I
can't because there's there's no chain of

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custody documents, there's no harvesting.
Is all legal without limits. You can

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have a ski mask and you can
be anonymous. You can scoop up five

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00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.480
hundred balliots, you can be paid
for them in Avada and at all is

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legal. So how do you be
illegality? What? Everything's legal? But

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you know, when people ask me
like what to do, I always say,

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well, but here's the question,
who's in control? If you have

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the good guys? And I hate
to say Republicans, but they tend to

548
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be the good guys on this.
But let's say whoever it is that believes

549
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in voter integrity, that's what I
mean by good guys. There's one set

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of things to do, the tough
one. What do you do when people

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in power in the state don't believe
in voter integrity? And I'll start with

552
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that one because that's the tough one. It's really tough. Well, one

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thing I tell people, most of
the states fortunately still have technically laws against

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ballot harvesting. They ignore them,
but they have the laws. They're either

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misdemeanors or felonies. So I would
take advantage of that, and I would

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put public announcements out months before the
election warning people is illegal to give your

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ballot for people to be taking your
ballot. You should not give your ballot

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to anybody under any circumstance. You
put it in the mailbox or the dropt

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box yourself, or take it to
the election center. Secondly, I would

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have big and I know they'll big
pushback and everything I'm saying, by the

561
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.760
way, the Democrats will take you
to record on this, but I would

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00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:15.039
offer big cash or rewards for any
information identifying ballot harvesting that leads to the

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arrest and conviction of balot harvester.
Now, billet harvesting usually takes a few

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people, not just one. So
they're gonna they're gonna squeal on each other.

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If you offer ten thousand dollars to
somebody who likes you, those people

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are who are getting paid ten dollars
a ballot will say, oh, wait

567
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.800
a minute, I can make ten
thousand dollars if I on this guy.

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That's another thing to do. Now, the Democrats will say, everything you're

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doing here is intimidation of the voter. I don't think it is. I

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think you're intimidating the ballot harvester.
But but that's what they're going to say.

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You need tough observers. One of
the things I outline a book is

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almost sad. I mean, like
in Michigan and some of these places,

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the abuse that the Republican observers got
was unbelievable. I mean, how could

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that how could that have been tolerable? Joe? I mean, there were

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supposed to be six feet and then
it's eighteen twenty feet clear across the room

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to observe what's going on in Philadelphia. This is so outrageous that the Supreme

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00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.800
Court, actually the lower court actually
said Republicans get within six feet of the

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table in Philadelphia. The Supreme Court
jumps and said no, no, no,

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no, fifteen to eighteen feet.
Well you know what that meant.

580
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That meant that in the blue powerhouse
of Philadelphia, where all their votes come

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from, there was basically no observation
of the process, and the rest of

582
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the state mostly read there was close
observation. How is that legal? I

583
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mean, that's this disparate treatment.
So that shouldn't have happened. But yeah,

584
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you're right. But in Michigan,
for example, I have lots of

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those, Oh there must be one
hundred affidavits of people saying they would abuse

586
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:06.039
us, they would kick out the
Republican. The whole room, including the

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00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.719
workers, the paid workers would stand
up and cheer when they got rid of

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00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:15.159
a Republican, and you'd end up
with two hundred Democrats and the five Republicans

589
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.960
trying to monitor this. Those poor
Republicans need helmets where they go in those

590
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:25.239
areas bet painful. One of the
things I tell people are we are probably

591
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we got about three minutes because one
of the problems that was just popped into

592
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my head as I'm talking about it, is that when you report this stuff,

593
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a lot of times the the police
in the city don't follow up.

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They couldn't care less. But sometimes
your county sheriff does care. So don't

595
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:53.599
forget the county sheriff. Some of
those county sheriffs are very irritated with what

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they see in the big city.
They're irritated that nobody's investigating certain crimes.

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Now the sheriff is not the prosecutor. You still have to go back to

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the county prosecutor. But at least
and you know, in Racine County,

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Wisconsin, you were talking about the
nursing home scandal. Yes, was all

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broken by a sheriff, the sheriff
of Schmalling I think is his name.

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He broke that scandal and it was
a big scandal, and he's the reason,

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not because of the city police or
the county prosecutor, only because of

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the sheriff. So don't forget the
sheriff. You know, of course,

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if you're in Florida, you had
the election police and that's wonderful. But

605
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in Texas has something sort of like
that, but most states don't have it.

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And you know if it depending on
who's control, you're not going to

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get it unless you have the good
guys in control. Well, Joe,

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like you say, we have to
be intentional and honoring, you know,

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each vote because it represents a citizen
of this country. Yeah, oh,

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got fifty seconds left, go ahead. I'm like, try me, let

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me sum it up in this There
are forty seven countries in Europe. Do

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you know that every single one of
them requires ID, every single one,

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and I think all but one or
two it's photo ID now Canada and Mexico

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too, So what is going on
here? Why are we the only big

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country that has such loose, ridiculous
standards? And then you add to it,

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it's like putting gasoline out of fire. The fire is the lack of

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ID and the gasoline is the mail
and ballots. When you have mail and

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ballots unlimited and poor registrations. Joseph
Freed, we gotta leave it there.

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Thank you, You're awesome. Appreciate
the time, buddy, take care of

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Thank you. Belle have been great. Thank you