June 12, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 06 12 26

The Bill Martinez Show 06 12 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 06 12 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, ok us do it?

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning America. Glad you could join us. Bill

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Martinez here just about six minutes after the top of

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the hour, and we've got the American Minute creator, the

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one and only Bill Fetter with us.

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Bill.

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How you doing.

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It's great to be with you. Bill.

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Hey, always good to be talking with you. I'm excited

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to talk about our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary. In

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the midst of everything that is going on right now. Bill,

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it's like the Yin and Yang. We've got quite the

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contrast happening in our country right now. We've got socialists,

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we've got communists in our government. I mean, you know,

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even Bernie Berney Senter said the other day, goes, well,

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if the truth be known, you know, we have Nazis

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in our government. Oh that's good to know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, And well, people forget that if you were to

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stretch all the governments out from one side to the other,

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it's basically total government on one side and no government

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on the other side. Total government power concentrates into the

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hands of fewer and fewer people. Ultimately one who rules

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as a dictator, and they rule through fear. They can

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ultimately take away your life. The other side is no government.

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That would be chaos unless the people have virtue. And

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so that's where ancient Israel comes into the picture, and

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they when they came out of Egypt around fourteen hundred BC,

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it was the first instance of millions of people and

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no king, and it worked because every person was taught

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the law. It was like everybody downloaded a behavioral appy.

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I thought, right, and then what motivates you to follow

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it is there is a God who is watching you

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and he wants you to be fair. He's going to

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hold you accountable in the future. So you have opportunity

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to steal. Nobody's around and you think God's watching. You

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want somebody to be fair. It's gonna on be a dounible.

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Maybe I should hesitate stealing and it creates something in

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your head called the conscience. And so that's what the

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Pilgrims and Puritans drew from ancient Israel, so much that

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the Puritan scholars were nicknamed Christian Hebraists because they studied

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this ancient heap. That's why they taught Hebrew at Yale

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and Harvard. James Madison graduated from Princeton in seventeen seventy one,

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he went back for another year justice study Hebrew. Wow.

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And he's the architect of our constitution, James Madison. And

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so this model predates the Romans. You know, Roman Republic

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predates the Athenian democracies. Around fourteen hundred BC is when

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Israel comes out of Egypt, and their system worked for

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four hundred years until their priests went woke, and the

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high priest eli his own sons are sleeping with women

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in the tent of meeting. And you have another levite

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with a graven image when the law says you're not

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supposed to have graven images. Another levite with a concubine,

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where the law says the levites to marry a version

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of his own tribe, and it turns into chaos, and

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they all go to Samuel the prophet, and they say,

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we want to be like the other countries.

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We want a king. Why is this story important?

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The kings of Europe looked to the Bible for their authority,

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but they looked to the king Saul and after and

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the Pilgrims and Puritans that found the New England looked

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to the before King Saul part of the Bible, the

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Hebrew Republic, millions of people, everybody taught the law personally

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accountable to God to follow it. And so in New

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England you had pastors and churches founding cities, and this

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covenant form of government, the word for federal federal, it

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comes from the Latin word fadaeas, which means covenant. So

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we have a covenant form of government in America that

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was drawn from this before King Saul period of ancient Israel.

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But in my books who is the king in America?

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I go through that it's we the peevile.

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But there's a great quote from Teddy Roosevelt, and he said,

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in no other place, and at no other time, has

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the experiment of government of the people, by the people

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and for the people been tried on so vast a

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scale as here in our own country. And so what

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were the other experiments while it? You know, the most

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common form of governments kings Nimrod, Pharaoh, Caesar, Kaiser, sultans

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are But you do have around, you know, five hundred

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or so BC you have the Athenian democracy with six

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thousand citizens and it works for a couple of hundred

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years until Alexander the Great's dad, Philip a Macedon, bribes

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a bunch of people in the city to betray their

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own city, and so Philip A Masadon conquers it. Rome

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had a republic, and it went on until Julius Caesar

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decided to make himself emperor, you know, king for life,

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a dictator for life, and it flipped. But so our

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founders looked back to these but they ultimately look back

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to ancient Israel. So some of the stories that I

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think are interesting. One is the Pilgrims. They were going

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to go to Virginia and submit to the king's government.

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They get blown off course in a storm land in Massachusetts.

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They have no government because there's no buildings, there's no nothing,

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and they don't want to be lawless, and so they

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take their covenant church form of government and they make

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it their civil government.

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It's called the Mayflower Compact.

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We any presence of God covenant ourselves together into a

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civil body politic. One story with the Pilgrims is the

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first winner. There were one hundred and two of them.

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Half of them die. They probably wouldn't have made it

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another year until out of the woods comes as Indian

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that speaks to him in perfect English. His name Squanto

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right lo and behold. He had been kidnapped in England

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for a dozen or so years, learns the language, drops

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off back on the coast, only to find his tribes

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had died in a plague. And yet the next spring

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he comes out of the woods and he helps the pilgrims.

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William Bradford said he was a special instrument sent of

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God for their good, beyond their expectation. I mean, that's

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definitely got to be classified as a maya, no question.

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Yeah, absolutely of a miracle, You're exactly right, go ahead.

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One that people aren't familiar with.

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There was a William Foster, and he was a sailor fisherman,

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and he sails out of the Boston Harbor in sixteen

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sixty nine and he's in the Atlantic and he gets

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captured by some Turkish Muslim pirates and taken to Morocco,

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and they send some people over there to try to

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rescue him, and the sultan said that as long as

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he's alive, no prisoner is going to be let go.

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And so Cotton mether who was one of the Puritan

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leaders writes in his Magnalia Christie Americana, a book. He says,

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Godly Man of Charleston, mister Foster and his son were

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taken captain by Turkish enemies. Much proro was employed for

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the redemption. But when we were told that the bloody

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Prince mulay Rashid of Morocco said that no one would

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he set free in his lifetime, we gave up hope.

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Upon this reverend Elliot, he's known as the Apostle to

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the Indians. He prayed before his congregation. Heavenly Father worked

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for the redemption of that poor servant Foster. And if

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this Prince which detains him, will not dismiss him as

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long as he himself lives, Lord, we pray that he

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killed this cruel prince, and glorify thyself upon him.

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Well lo and behold.

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Shortly after the Prince falls from his horse at Marrakesh,

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and he dies at the age of forty two, and

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Foster has let go comes back to America. Cotton Mather says,

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the poor captive gentleman quickly returns to us that had

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been mourning for him as a lost man, and brings

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news that the Prince which had hitherto held him, was

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come to an untimely death, by which means he was

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now set at liberty. It's like, okay, that's sort of

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an interesting uh right, exactly answered the prayer. You have

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the French and Indian War, that France had everything west

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of the Appalachians, and the British we're encroaching from New

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England west and this was causing a conflict. It's near Pittsburgh,

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the French and Indian War. The British are ambushed, about

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nine hundred get killed in George Washington is a colonel

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bringing messages back and forth from General Braddock, who gets killed,

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and Washington more or less is in charge, and he

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organizes a retreat and afterwards there's four bullet holes through

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his coat, two horses shot out from under him, and

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he escapes unhurt.

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That's a miracle. He was twenty three years old.

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Had he not survived, where there wouldn't have been any

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Washington to.

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Lead us during the be our first president. Exactly.

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Then you have the Revolutionary War, and there's lots of

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stories there.

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I'll tell you what before we go into that, Bill,

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Let's go to quick break, and then we'll pick it

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up from there. We've got more from Bill Fetter on

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with Bill Fetterer. He's the

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American minute great, nationally known speaker, and best selling author. Bill.

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We're now starting to get into the history of the

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Revolutionary War as we recount as the best we can

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in a short period of time, two hundred and fifty

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years of an exceptional history of the United States of America.

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Right yeap, people aren't aware of the same Continental Congress

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that did the Declaration of Independence, which mentions God four times,

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they did a unanimous proclamation of fasting and prayer. Weirdness

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are recommend the seventeenth of May seventeen seventy six be

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observed as a day of humiliation, fasting in prayer, confess

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and bewill our manifold of transgressions, peace, God's righteous displeasure

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or sincere repentance, through the marriage and mediation of Jesus Christ,

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have pardoned and forgiveness. They rush a copy of That's

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out to Washington. He's in New York, facing the British

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troops who had filled up the Boston Heart Harbor. Excuse me,

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the New York Harbor. He orders his troops to observe

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the day of fasting. Continental Congress ordered fried of the

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seventeenth to be observed as a day of fasting, humiliation,

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and prayer. Humbly to supplegate the mercy of Almighty God.

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The General commands all officers and soldiers to base trict

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obedience to the orders of the Continental Congress.

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And so the battle is.

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The British find a loyalist who lead the ten thousand

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British troops through Jamaica Pass to attack Washington from behind.

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On August twenty seventh, seventeen seventy six. Three thousand Americans

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get killed, only three hundred British. And this is the

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entire American Army. There's no second string. If it's over here,

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it's over And America is just another British colony like India.

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But Washington, the sunsets and he's pinned up against the

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water with these British behind him, and the British ships

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in the harbor, and he decides to get every boat

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he can find and start firing his troops across the

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East River to Manhattan Island. And they're doing it all

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night long, as quiet as they can. And then his

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Major Bent Talmage, his chief of Intelligence rights. As the

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dawn of the next day approach, those of us who

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remained in the trenches became very anxious for our own safety.

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When the dawn appeared, there were several regiments still on

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duty at this time, a very dense fog began to

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rise off the river and settle in a peculiar manner

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over both encampments. I recollect this peculiar, providential occurrence perfectly well.

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So very dense was the atmosphere that I could scarcely

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discern a man at six yards distance. We tarried until

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the sun had risen, but the fog remained as dense

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as ever.

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Well.

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Washington was on the last boat that left. The fog

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lifts the British charge and Owen's there there was the

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last chance the British had to capture the entire American

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army all at once. Washington later says, the hand of

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Providence has been so conspicuous in the course of the

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war that he must be worse than an infidel that

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lacks faith. And then lots of another battle is the Cowpins.

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Toward the end of the war. The British have a

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Colonel Tarleton, this twenty six year old butcher who at

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the Battle of Waksaw killed three hundred Americans who were

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in the process of surrendering. They're lifting up their arms

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and his men on horseback with their sabers are stabbing

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him and anyway, so Tarleton is chasing the American general

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Daniel Morgan, and he's got an army with wagons going

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really slow, and so he can't outrun him. So he

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decides to put his army in front of a river,

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which looked foolish because you never want to fight.

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A battle in front of a river.

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And the Colonel Tarleton has been riding for twenty four

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hours with his light cavalry and he sees him there

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and he charges.

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And the.

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Americans had two groups, the militia, who are guys off

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the farm known for shooting a couple of times and

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then running away, and then the Continental Soldiers who would

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not run away, and so in the front.

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Of the militia. So here's this Colonel Tarleton.

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He's charged Jingi's seeing these militia and they start running away.

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He's chasing them. Well, they just ran in a circle

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around the hill. But behind the militia were the Continental soldiers,

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and they act like they were going to run away.

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Then suddenly they stop, they turn, they lower the rifles

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and at point blank range they kill a hundred of

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the British Light cavalry, and then the ones that circle

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around surprise him and capture eight hundred. And the Colonel

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Tarlton rides off, and when the General Cornwalls hears about it,

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he was leaning on his sword.

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He leans so hard hard a sword snapped in half.

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So Cornwalls decides to chase Daniel Morgan who's met up

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with Nathaniel Green and they're fleeing and they cross the

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Cataba River and then the British show up. But before

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the British can cross, there's a flash flood and the

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river's flowing is over banks, and they're delayed. But then

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the British finally cross, and they're chasing the Americans to

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the Yadkin River. The Americans crossed, the British show up

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before they can cross, another flash flood, and they're delayed,

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and then they finally get across, and then they chase

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the Americans to the Dan River, and the Americans cross,

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and the British show up and they're watching him get

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out the other side. But before the British can cross,

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another flash flood and the British Commander Henry Clinton rise

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Here the Royal Army was again stopped by a sudden

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rise of the waters which had only just fallen. Almost

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miraculously let the enemy over, Who could not else have

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you looted Lord Cornwallis's grasp, So close was he upon

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their rear, And so then you have even Benedict Darnold

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was about to betray west Point. He was wounded. He

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was the hero from the Battle of Saratoga, and he

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was over passed over for some promotions. And he had

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married the daughter of a loyalist, and she keeps nagging him.

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If you were working for the British.

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They to appreciate you.

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And so she puts Benna Darneld in touch with a

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spy and they meet, they agree to betray west Point

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and and the spy is going back to the British

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territory dressed as a civilian, and some Americans spot him

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and search him once, search him twice. They're about to

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let him go, and then they get the idea to

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make him take off his boot. And in his stocking

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he had a map a west Point and he couldn't

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explain it. So they said, well, let's just take you

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back to West Point. Explain it to our commanding General

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Bennett Darnold. And it's like Bennett darnelld and he hears that, hey,

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we caught a spy. He gets in his boat and

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a British boat and flees, and the American General Nathaniel

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Morgan said treason. And the blackest eye was yesterday discovered.

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General Arnold, who commanded at west Point, was about to

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give the American cause a deadly wound, if not fatal stab. Happily,

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the treason had been timely discovered to prevent the fatal misfortune,

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the providential train of circumstances which led to its discovery

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amidst the most convincing proof that the liberties of America

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are the object of divine protection. But that was a

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miracle in American.

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Yeah, I mean, and that's the Bill, as you go

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back in the early history of this great American idea

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and answer to prayer. You know, the pilgrims for twelve

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thirteen years praying, you know, for a place where that

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they could worship God with liberty. And here God's hand

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is on them from the very beginning, and it continues.

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We've got about two and a half minutes left here.

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So what's our takeaway? Just even from this early segment, Bill,

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fast forward, here we are two hundred and fifty years

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later plus, and we're about to celebrate this incredible birthday

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of this gift that God has given us. Yeah.

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Well, the word testimony has a meaning in the Hebrew

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of Lord do it again.

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In other words, you share these stories of faith.

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It bills faith in the hearer, and it says, Okay, well, God,

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you did it then, then then then and maybe you

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can do it now.

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And I'm gonna trust you to do it now.

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And so we need that we need to remind ourselves

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that we've bet in these crises, we've turned to the

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Lord and we've had courage and God has delivered us.

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And we're facing crisis today.

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Financial and you know, thirty nine trillion dollars worth of debt,

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the Chinese buying up property, the AI, the censorship of

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the Islamists.

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There's lots of threats now.

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The fraud, not to mention the fraud, corruption, breakdown in morality, yes,

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at every turn. Bill, you know our government is compromised

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and corrupt.

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Yeah, election fraud. But God is always willing to turn

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things Jeremia eighteen. He said, if I pronounced judgment on

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a nation and they repent, I won't judge them. And

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so all repentance is individual. It's not somebody out there repenting.

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It's me, It's you. Whi's every listener that we returned

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to our first love, to return to the Lord and praying,

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reading his word and fellowship with him and being involved

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in church. And so you know, I mean, if you

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were God and you wanted to populate heaven, wouldn't you

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want to fill it full of people who like wanted

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to be with you? And which means you'd have to

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give them a choice not to be with you. And

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so this earth is the choosing spot for all the

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rest of eternity. And so in our crises, we turned

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to the Lord. That's our history and heritage in the

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Bible in America, and we remind ourselves so that the

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Lord will do it again. A crisis can be a

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good thing, right, Bill, Yeah, it's most people don't turn

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to Christ in good times. We should, but it's in

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times of crisis that people turn to Christ. And it's

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in times of crisis that God raises up leaders. And

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whether it's a Gideon and David and Moses, or at

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George Washington, or an Abraham Lincoln or are you and

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me yeah, or.

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A Charlie Kirk. Even Bill Fetter is always Buddy. I

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so appreciate your inside and recount of history. It's so

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important for these times, Bill, How can they be in

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touch with you?

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Well?

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Jim, Good morning, Good to be with you.

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Hey, maybe you can help us understand what's going on

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with the voting public, I mean, the consent of the government.

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It seems that all these socialists are getting an incredible

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amount of ballots in their favor, and the policies they're

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promoting are just flat out antithical to this democratic republic

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and the Constitution, which oh yeah, by the way, we're

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about ready to celebrate two hundred and fifty years of freedom, right,

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and it's like we've got an increasing number of people

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that say, well, the heck with freedom, I want to

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be enslaved.

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Well, you go back to Woodrow Wilson, leader of the

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Democratic Party, the first Democratic could get elected in the

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twentieth century, and he thought the Constitution was a mistake.

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It didn't give the government the power that government should

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have to run everybody's lives. And the Democratic Party has

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since then, I mean it used to be the party

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of Jefferson at one point, if you remember, has continually

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moved and by the left, I mean to more decisions

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will be made by government, fewer by you, fewer by

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your family. Institutions that get in the way of the

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monopoly that the government would like to have over decision making.

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Like churches that have their own ideas about things. They

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need to beat down those structures, private structures, religious structures

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and strengthen the state. And the Democratic Party's been doing

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that over time. That at the same time you had

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the rise of socialism and communism in Europe and around

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the world, and it was Democrat elected officials who seemed

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to be the most susceptible to oh, Russia is not

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a problem, we should give them money. Before the Soviet

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Union collapsed, the leading Democrat and the House wanted to

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give them twenty six billion dollars to bail them out.

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This is after everybody knew exactly what Soviet Union was

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and what communism was. You can't even claim to be

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ignorant by that point. We said no when they went bankrupt.

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So this is the Democratic Party going increasingly statused increasingly

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big government. Sometimes they set up structures where you know,

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the private sector will work with the government to push

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people around labor unions, trial lawyers, and more and more.

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They just want to bring it into the government and

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where they would sort of reach around and push you

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to do something or subsidize you to do something. Now

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they're a little more just tell you to do.

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It right exactly. Well, they've been in bolden because you mean,

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this battle has been going on for hundreds of years, groverers,

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you know, and it's driven by those who have money,

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you know, the secret cabal that are really the lever

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pullers of the bureaucracy. I mean, we keep blaming the government,

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but actually there's a power force behind that that's controlling

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our government. And it's not we the people.

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Is it.

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No, it's not. But again, you could put again a

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bunch of a lot of people together, or a bunch

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of money together, if you didn't have a government capable

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of using its power, its monopoly power, to make people

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do things. A bunch of rich people sitting in a

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corner thinking up thoughts wouldn't matter if they were just

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imagining what if we had this? But when you do

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have a government that is big enough that absorbs, you know,

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twenty percent a fifth of everything that Americans make, and

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more than that when you realize some of it they borrow.

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The government has gotten large. When we were colonies, and

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for one hundred years after that, we spent Americans and

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colonists people who weren't yet Americans because they were technically

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British subjects. I guess we spent two percent of our

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incomes on government two percent. The British in London spent

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twenty percent. And when the British wanted us to pay

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more for their government, we started shooting at them and

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made them go away. So for one hundred years it

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was two percent, and went up during the Civil War,

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but then back down again. We had an income tax

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for the Civil War and then it went away. It

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wasn't until Woodrow Wilson and the progressives they called themselves

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progressives back then, came up with theories about how the

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government should have more power. And it's really a mistake

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that the executive branch doesn't have all this unfettered power.

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The constitution gets in the way of what they want

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to do. Then it was a living document which meant,

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oh we have a constitution. It just means whatever we

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say it. It doesn't affect anybody. That tendency is a

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bigger deal. In big cities, which are already very socialized,

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the state is very power. State doesn't have quite as

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much power over people live in suburbs and rural areas

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because they drive cars, they don't go on subways, and

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you know exactly where they are at all times, and

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you don't have as much control over them. They tend

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to be armed, which always annoys governments. So it's I

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think it is interesting and sad, but in some ways helpful.

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When somebody stands up and says, here's who I am,

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and here's what I intend to do to you. You

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really want to listen to them. They are as you

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pointed out, they are in Mendanni Mendonni in New York,

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the baths in LA. They're telling people what their plans are.

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Right, we list the governor newsom. I mean, you know,

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just go right on down the line. You're exactly And

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it's astounding to me that the voters would even give

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them any kind of time. But you know, I guess

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they've convinced enough people, as you say, because this has

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been going on. You know that you get these power

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elites that somehow think that they know better and they

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have more intelligence than the cumulative intelligence of the rest

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of us.

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How's that possible, Well, it's not possible, But I went

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to Harvard. I can tell you that the people I

621
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went to school with, most of them thought they were

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smarter than everyone else and thought that their decisions would

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be better than everybody else's, and that they should make

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these decisions and they should ban this and require this.

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And they felt very comfortable with this assertion, I mean,

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completely outside the US Constitution about and we do have

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a class of bureaucrats of people who went to universities

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were told they were smarter than everyone else. We're told

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that if you got straight a's, you'll be rich. That's

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not true. And so they settled for power, and they

631
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really do think they can run people's lives better than

632
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they can. The answer is, nobody can run anybody's life

633
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better because you don't know what they want.

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To do exactly. Well, plus, where's the track record, Grover?

635
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You know you and I talk about this all the time.

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Show me your curriculum vite with results, right, don't just

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give me the theoretical you know, Hodgepodge. That's what drove

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me nuts with Barack Obama particularly, I mean, every time

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he talked, it was like chalk hitting the chalkboard the

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wrong way, and the hair on the back of my

641
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neck would stand up, and I'm going, who is listening

642
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to this guy? I mean, just doesn't make sense.

643
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Yeah, well, you had in the situation of the Soviet Union,

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people that even though it was impoverished, you know, they're

645
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running prisons and slave labor camps. And there were American

646
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intellectuals John Dewey, father of public education, traveling over there

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coming back you know the die have see in the

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future and it works. Lincoln Stephens, an American intellectual. They

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came back and just lied about what was happening in

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the Soviet Union. Some of them knew perfectly well, because

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if you're over there, you could look around and realize

652
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this was not a successful economy as they were claiming

653
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communism would give you. They probably didn't see everyone who

654
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was in prison, so you got some slack there. But

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even intellectuals who went over Paul Robson, you know, there

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were people who came up to them and said, you

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don't know what's going on, and they wouldn't, you know,

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they wouldn't listen to people who are warning them what

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was actually happening in the Soviet Union.

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Like always, people see what they want to see. And

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clearly they went in with a prefixed agenda and their worldview.

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I mean, hey, look at you see it according to

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your own worldview, and that's what they how they responded,

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I think in short order. Anyway, we've got to go

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And we're back with you. Bill Martinez here with the

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President of Americans are Tax for Americans, pre eminent cent

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and right expert on taxes. I guess to put a

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bow around what we were talking about in this first segment, Robert,

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is that you get these people and it's amazing because

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they go to Europe and what do they do? I

746
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:59.760
mean after in the latter eighteen hundreds, they basically start

747
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.000
in they give up the Constitution and start embracing the

748
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communist manifesto. Because when you look at when America started

749
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.960
to go down, it was when we started implementing some

750
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.320
of these principles that you said, I mean, they tell

751
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:18.519
you what they're all about, and here it is. It's like,

752
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.000
what is it just you know, insistent ignorance and apathy

753
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that allows them to take over.

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I tend to think a lot of it is intellectuals

755
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.599
who think they know better than everybody else and they

756
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.159
just want to impose their views on it. They're not

757
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.599
they're pure science people, not engineers. Engineers like Elon Musk

758
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:49.199
build satellites and spaceships and so on and don't tell

759
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.079
anyone else what to do. But they've got some real

760
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.719
knowledge and some real energy and some real smarts. And

761
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.920
these are people who create companies that are worth billions

762
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.400
of dollars. That's what talent goes to an America well directed.

763
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.800
But there's some people who think they're you know, smarty pants.

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00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:08.920
They go into government and want to push people around.

765
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Elon must doesn't make you buy his satellites, and that's

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the difference between freedom capitalism the American way of life,

767
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.519
which is build the better product, build a better mouse trap.

768
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.320
They will come and the people who go, I don't

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have to explain it. I'll just make you do.

770
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:29.159
It right exactly. And that's in a way kind of

771
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like with Graham Plantner, for example, the way I mean

772
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.639
he came out of central casting. I mean he was

773
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a box checking candidate, which has been typical. I mean,

774
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.119
if you look at four years of the Biden administration,

775
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.719
it was just can you check a box. If you

776
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.360
checked enough boxes, you were in the administration, you were

777
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:48.760
in the cabinet, you were the vice president.

778
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:54.320
Yeah, there is. It's a real tragedy that the Democrats

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00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:56.800
have allowed the left to take over their party. The

780
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.199
problem though, is their soft left positions, which is just

781
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.000
sort of big government spending and throwing money, has done

782
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:06.079
so much damage. All the welfare state that they put together.

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00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.599
When you look at the damage to American families, the

784
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.280
breakup of marriages, the people who are stuck without work,

785
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.159
that all started to get worse when we put in

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the welfare state under the Great Society. At least with

787
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.880
the New Deal under FDR, it could be wasteful, there

788
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:27.719
was fraud and all that stuff, and yes it was political,

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00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:30.639
but you had to have a job to get Social

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Security and that sort of thing. When they said, if

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you don't have a job, if you refuse to work,

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if you decide not to work, then you get aid,

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defamilies with dependent children and all these government programs. And

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00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:50.920
that ended up locking a whole collection of people out

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of work. And then the Democrats go, oh, you can't

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do that, and sometimes they'd be racist about you can't

797
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.800
do that because you're such and such. Really, that's pretty

798
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.719
disgusting to say to somebody. So we will help you,

799
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.280
but so you just vote for us. Sit down, shut up.

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00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.400
You don't get to be an American like other people.

801
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.719
You will be on welfare and you don't get to

802
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dream big dreams because we've decapped you. And oh then

803
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.800
we say, oh, you're crippled by us at our government program.

804
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.320
So now we will help you even more, and you

805
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.159
have to vote for us. They want a crippled electorate.

806
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:26.159
They want that scene in Misery, the Stephen King novel

807
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:28.159
turned in with it, the lady breaks the guy's leg

808
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and then heals him and then breaks it again and

809
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then heals it. They like broken people, and they produce

810
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:36.360
many of them the government.

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Yeah, it's a form of political addiction, and they're trapped.

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And the thing is, see, this is what at the

813
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:45.840
end of the day, maybe at three o'clock in the morning,

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they wake up and realize that this has been done

815
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to them. You know, they want to blame white people,

816
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.719
and they want to blame other people, but they're really

817
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:56.239
they really don't want to blame the people that created this,

818
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.760
which is these government elites, these bureaucrats, who have really

819
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.440
reduce them to their lowest common denominator. And I think

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if you want to frustrate somebody, tell them that they're

821
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less than what they can be, and not only that,

822
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but put them in a situation where they're a round

823
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.920
peg in a square hole. This is what you have

824
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.360
right now in America where nine out of ten people

825
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.039
aren't happy with the job that they're assigned with right

826
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.159
now because they could be doing better, but they're restricted

827
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in one form or another.

828
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.039
Yeah, but big government doesn't work, and they know that.

829
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.159
And even the guys on the left snide. I mean,

830
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.000
they've been throwing money at every problem that they announce.

831
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.760
Yeah, but it's our money though, Grover, they're not even

832
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.800
throwing their money. It's our money that they're using.

833
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.079
Yes, and discuss get better, it gets worse, exactly, the

834
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.679
problem gets worse because they spend more. What is the situation.

835
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.559
What if the Democrats ever said, you know, we have

836
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.119
a problem, we should spend less here, It does give

837
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.199
away the game that that's never the right. Anenda are

838
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:00.639
on their.

839
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.880
Book exactly, No, No, they're they're they're quite exposed and

840
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.320
some of us can see it quite clearly. Unfortunately, those

841
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.840
that are addicted and they have been formed by this,

842
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.400
they're like the baby elephant, right that is restrained as

843
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.000
a baby with a chain, and then later on when

844
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.400
they become adult, they don't need the chain anymore. They

845
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.320
just put a rope around their leg and they stay,

846
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.119
they stay in place. And that's really what they've done

847
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.880
to much of the electorate, have they not?

848
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:33.639
They have? And here's the good news. When we reduce taxes,

849
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:38.480
reduce regulations, make energy more available to everybody, make it

850
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.079
easier for people to get jobs and become self contained

851
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:44.960
and to run their own lives, then we free people

852
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.519
from the effective slavery that the left wants to put

853
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.719
them in uh and then they become regular, you know,

854
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.480
they become Americans, and they have agency over their own lives.

855
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.679
And the Democrats are terrifying of that. They're always trying

856
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.920
to grab people and drag them back into the gutter.

857
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.480
And so you can't and tell them things like you

858
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:05.280
can't do that.

859
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.880
Yes they can, right exactly, And my goodness, with freedom

860
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.400
comes productivity, comes joy and happiness. You know, the Democrats

861
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.880
don't want you to be happy, that's clear. And it's

862
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.039
not only Democrats, it's the operatives. I mean, listen to

863
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.880
the mainstream media how they report what's going on with

864
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:22.960
the Trump administration.

865
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:27.639
Right, yeah, it's I mean, there are real challenges right now.

866
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.320
The left is losing this fight at the end of

867
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.320
the day, as more people move into red states where

868
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.159
the unions can't boss you around, where the trial lawyers

869
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.519
can't sue you as easily, still too much of it,

870
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:44.119
but as easily, where taxes are lower, where you have

871
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.920
school choice, where you can homeschool, you have more control

872
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.880
over your life, the government doesn't pick on people for

873
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:56.119
having religious values, and all of those freedoms people move towards.

874
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.880
People do not move towards the blue state they move

875
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.239
away from the blue states. Yeah, another twenty years of

876
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:06.320
that and the majority in the country that's in red

877
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.079
states will be so large that Democrats will never be

878
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.400
able to elect a president or a Congress unless they

879
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:17.360
come back to the Constitution. They can do that. I mean,

880
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.039
when you have enough failure and you can't win, they

881
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.159
might even try freedom right.

882
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:25.519
Imagine that. What a novel concept that we would have,

883
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.360
you know, a multiple party system that was you know,

884
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:33.199
was of one mind in terms of the end game here.

885
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:36.480
And that's what's been lost is the Democrats, you know,

886
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.400
can't agree with Republicans. I mean before, like you and

887
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.480
I have discussed many times, Grover, it may be an argument,

888
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.519
a debate over process, but at the end of the day,

889
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:47.599
we had the same goal in mind, didn't we For

890
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:48.199
the most part.

891
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:53.280
Well, we also agreed two parties, one Constitution. Yes, people

892
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:57.320
weren't going let's take away your right, let's end the

893
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.400
Second Amendment, let's take away your right to keep in

894
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.960
bear arms. The Democrat Party wasn't for that until recently.

895
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.800
They supported people's rights. They weren't hostile to freedom of

896
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.440
religion or freedom of speech. Way back when we worked

897
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.119
within the Constitution. Now, the Democrats find the idea of

898
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.920
freedom of speech for people they don't like or disagree

899
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:23.760
with to be horrific. And you saw the effort during

900
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:28.960
Biden and Obama to use the government to actually the

901
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.000
government used the high tech companies. They said, okay, kid,

902
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:34.440
we'll break your company into pieces if you don't do

903
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:38.840
this for us. And the head of Facebook Meta before

904
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.559
Trump was reelected for the third time, he ran. He

905
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.360
came out and apologized. He said, they threatened my company,

906
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.599
and I agreed to the censorship that they wanted. I said,

907
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.679
I'm not going to do that anymore. That's not happening.

908
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.320
But he was very explicit about the threats. I talked

909
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.199
to him about this before that, the threats to him

910
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.519
and his company and what they were going to do

911
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:04.760
to them if, if, and not here's the only guy.

912
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.159
I mean, a lot of this stuff going on. People

913
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:10.079
had to know that. The companies, high tech companies had

914
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:11.960
to know We're not going to hurt you if you

915
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:15.360
have a free and open debate on things. And the

916
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.639
Democrats keep looking over our shoulder. Go but if we're

917
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.199
ever back in power, we will Oh yeah.

918
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.920
I mean exactly. I mean that's the old term Grover.

919
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.280
If you want to know what somebody will do, look

920
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:29.639
at what they've done. And the deal is is they're

921
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.599
on that road that there just doesn't seem to be

922
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.440
much redemption or or even apology. It's it's a doubling

923
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.760
down and an insistence that I mean, they're angry right

924
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.320
now that they're not getting their way. And and you know,

925
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.199
just like with anything, once you release that anger man,

926
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.119
there's going to be all hell to be paid. And

927
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.840
then what's going to happen to the persecutions that we

928
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:59.000
experienced under four years with Biden? I mean, could you

929
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:00.599
imagine how much work sick again?

930
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.159
It could get a lot worse. They were planning on

931
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.400
are still planning to do much more. They're talking about

932
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.559
every Democrat in the Senate has said that they would

933
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:13.840
agree to pack the Supreme Court. No one of them

934
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:20.400
is signed the support for just having the nine judges.

935
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:26.039
They're talking about adding more. They're talking about adding hundreds

936
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.320
more House members they think that would help them, which

937
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.519
can be done by law. You can take the number

938
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:33.480
of people from four uland thirty five up to five

939
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:36.920
hundred and thirty five if you wanted to. I'm not

940
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.519
sure that helps them, but they seem to think it does,

941
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.239
meaning if they think it'll help them, they'll do it.

942
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:48.960
The jerrymandering districting Republicans are doing is catching up to

943
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.559
what the Democrats have done for the last sixty years.

944
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.000
I get a kick out of them outraged at jerry

945
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:58.639
mandering when I from Massachusetts, New England. There isn't a

946
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.119
Republican congressman all of New England. That's five states. Okay,

947
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.159
Massachusetts used to have two Republicans. Now they've gerrymandered to

948
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:12.360
be none, Connecticut none, New York's getting towards none. And

949
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.320
they've been doing this for years and we were unable

950
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:18.559
to either stop them in those cases, nor did we

951
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.480
actually say, you know what, if that's the way you're

952
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.840
doing it, then I guess we should all play by

953
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:26.119
the same rules. It's when we're playing catch up to

954
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:30.320
their redistricting and jerry mendoring now again not going further

955
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:33.400
than they did, less hard than they did, and still

956
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:34.119
we can win with.

957
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.559
That, right exactly. And then of course we've got the

958
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:41.400
population you know count coming up, right, so when that happens,

959
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.880
that's going to have an effect on representation as well

960
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:45.360
as you know.

961
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:51.719
It expects we expect about eleven more congressional districts electoral

962
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:55.519
votes to move from blue states to red states in

963
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:02.239
the the twenty thirty two redistricting and coming up with

964
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.679
a better as a result of the census that we're

965
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.920
doing thirty and another ten years later, they expect another

966
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:15.000
ten eleven, twelve congressional seats electoral college votes to move

967
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.519
into Republican territory. So the Democrats are correct to panic,

968
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.119
which is why some of them are swinging wildly and

969
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:28.639
sounding crazy, because if they don't change the rules, they

970
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:33.679
don't cheat, they will lose power because their ideas fail

971
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:35.440
when you put them into practice.

972
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:43.440
Do you foresee a blue wave of Democrats moving more

973
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.679
to the Republican Party?

974
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.159
Individuals yes, party officials no, we no, no exactly, But

975
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:51.519
a lot of the people who wanted to switch. In

976
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:56.360
ninety four, two senators and five Democrat. Two Democrat senators

977
00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.599
five Democrat countries switched parties. They were only in Democratic

978
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.880
Party because it was the majority party and that was

979
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.480
as good as they could do from their seats and

980
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:10.519
their states. They became Republicans. One from Alabama, one from Colorado.

981
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.280
Yeah. Well, as we wrap things up here, Grover. One thing,

982
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.760
in particular, the Save Act that has to be passed, right,

983
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.559
I mean the fact that it's been lingering here. I

984
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.199
know a lot of people are putting the blame on

985
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:26.880
John Thune. You know the buck's got to stop somewhere right.

986
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.719
Well, because everybody's responsible for their own vote. Thune can't

987
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.239
make anybody vote the other senators. But we do have

988
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.360
a narrow majority. You could if every Republican voted, you

989
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.079
could change that law and get it passed. I would

990
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.280
like to see how quickly I can imagine if you

991
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:50.239
did it, you could still have court cases and so on,

992
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:55.320
which slowed things down in the Blue States. So I

993
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.159
would very much like to hear somebody walk through how

994
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.000
quickly could that be implement If you broke the filibuster,

995
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.679
it's kind of like taking your shield off because the

996
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:07.960
next time they're coming for you and shooting arrows eye

997
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.440
you got nothing. Then. Now the question is maybe they

998
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.199
and the filibuster themselves. They did try last time, they failed.

999
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.679
Two Democrats voted to no. Are there any Democrats who

1000
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.639
would vote know this time? Would? I think it's likely

1001
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.320
the Democrats could strip it out. But looking back, if

1002
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.079
we hadn't had the filibuster, you wouldn't have right to work,

1003
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:32.760
We'd all be forced into labor. And there are a

1004
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:34.679
number of things you can see going, oh my goodness,

1005
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:40.039
this could be really ugly. Step one, don't lose the

1006
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:43.800
majority in the Senate. We need to make sure that

1007
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:46.280
doesn't happen. And then you do have to look at

1008
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.880
the question of does it make sense to maintain the

1009
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:55.639
filibuster given the Democrat Party's willingness to change and break rules.

1010
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.239
Well, let me ask you one last question. Is there

1011
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:01.760
going to be any kind of maybe a firewall politically?

1012
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.039
Just like you said, you know, you have so many

1013
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.519
people moving to Red states, and the blue states continue

1014
00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:13.079
to run into problems financially, and guess what they come

1015
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.239
to the federal government, which you know, the red states

1016
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.880
are successful. They're not begging for money. You've got to

1017
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:24.280
New York, I mean, well, New York's in trouble, La Hawaii,

1018
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.599
the all these blue states that are just coming hat

1019
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.599
in hand because they've run their governments, their cities, their

1020
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.920
states so poorly, and they're asking red states to protect

1021
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:36.000
them and govern their.

1022
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:41.119
Action they do and red states have been funding blue

1023
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:45.639
cities in blue states and red states. Federal funds keep

1024
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.079
the Democrats in power in Houston and in Austin and

1025
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:54.639
in Dallas, for crying out loud. So there is My

1026
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.239
modest recommendation is the federal government should never write a

1027
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:59.840
check to a city. If you're going to put something

1028
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:03.199
out out into the country, hand it to the state

1029
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.000
and then the state can decide if we're gonna move welfare,

1030
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:08.960
as we did with aid to families with dependent children,

1031
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.039
to the states to decide that money went to the states.

1032
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.760
Don't send it to the cities. Democrats run political machines

1033
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.000
with money in the cities. They don't solve problems. You

1034
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.480
can see the billions that they've spent and not solved

1035
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.960
anything at all on homelessness. They build a political machine

1036
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.079
so they would elections. They don't care about people on

1037
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:26.599
the streets.

1038
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.639
Yeah, no doubt. Just to look at LA real quick,

1039
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.239
you don't even have to do a deep study. You

1040
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.760
can see it quite clearly. Grover and our quest President

1041
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.119
of Americans for Tax Reform Grover. The website they can

1042
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:40.000
go to to make sure that they are an informed voter.

1043
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Sure Americans for Tax Reform is atr dot org.

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live, Well.

1063
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.119
Good morning, glad you could join this Bill Martinez here,

1064
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.320
it's about six mins. It's after the top of the hour,

1065
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.719
and we've got doctor Paul Keingore, Professor Political Science and

1066
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.599
Chief Academic Fellow of the Institute for Faith and Freedom

1067
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.320
of Grove City College, joining us. Now, Hey, Paul, good

1068
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:10.760
morning to you.

1069
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:12.280
Good morning Bill.

1070
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.800
Hey, great to hear have you here. Talk about the latest?

1071
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.039
Uh Pope want to talk about is in cyclic? A little

1072
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.320
bit before we do that, I wanted to share with

1073
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.559
you that I had a chance to meet the older

1074
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:26.719
brother of Pope Leo the fourteenth here last week, uh

1075
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.079
in Orlando. Was was good fun. What what what a

1076
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.679
contrast and what a character? Yeah?

1077
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:37.400
Yeah, so that would be the brother loud Yes, as Donald.

1078
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:40.800
Trump twins, Yeah exactly.

1079
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:42.320
Yeah.

1080
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.320
In fact, he learned about the selection of his brother

1081
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:48.719
as the you know, the next Holy Father.

1082
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:51.280
I wonder if Lou calls his brother holy Father?

1083
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:51.599
Right?

1084
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.360
Yeah, Well, I know, I know he ended up. You know,

1085
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:59.400
he wanted to go to confession and he tried to

1086
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.280
talk with priest and they said, uh, you know, you

1087
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:04.480
you got so much baggage. I can't handle this. Even

1088
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:06.960
even the vision. They said said maybe you might have

1089
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.559
to talk to a pope. He goes, oh that's right, my, my,

1090
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:11.840
brother's a pope. Maybe you'll hear my confession. But he

1091
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.440
said that his brother at first said, you know, he

1092
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.639
didn't want to hear his confession, his confession, but eventually

1093
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:18.360
he relented.

1094
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:20.119
Wow, is that right?

1095
01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:21.000
Yeah, that's interesting.

1096
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:21.920
Yeah, great story.

1097
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember you know a kind of

1098
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.679
a related story. At the funeral eulogy for Justice Anthony

1099
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:33.840
and Scalia and his son is a Paul up Scalia.

1100
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.239
He's a priest, yes, and and in fact, Justice Scalia

1101
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.079
said to him something like, I'm very proud of your

1102
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:40.480
son for becoming a priest.

1103
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:41.760
But I want you to know one thing. I'm never

1104
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:43.039
going to you for confession.

1105
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:44.800
And you know.

1106
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.920
They both they both laughed about that. I can relate

1107
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.880
to this. I've got a son who's who.

1108
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:50.559
Was in the priesthood, who's going to be a priest.

1109
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:52.280
He hasn't been ordained yet, and.

1110
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.199
I don't know, I don't know if I could.

1111
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:55.960
I don't know if I could ever go to him

1112
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.079
for confession. I think that'd be pretty weird.

1113
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.400
Well, he probably he'd probably tell you, Dad, I grew

1114
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.880
up with you. I know, so you don't you know? Okay,

1115
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:11.239
so if you know, then I don't have to confess, right.

1116
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:10.159
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1117
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:10.440
Yeah.

1118
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.199
In fact, he probably needs to confess to me for

1119
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.199
a few things that he's done.

1120
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:16.679
His mother anyway, will.

1121
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.599
Put it out right exactly. Well, we've all been there

1122
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.480
and done that. And I'll tell you his brother Lewis

1123
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.679
was just so vulnerable and open and he just said

1124
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.480
just about any sin you could think of I had committed,

1125
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.719
and you know, he says, but God is good, then

1126
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:35.360
he forgave him. Yeah exactly.

1127
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:35.679
Yeah.

1128
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.199
Yeah. Well look at you know, as a guy who

1129
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.760
grew up in Butler, Pennsylvania, that's my hometown and a

1130
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:43.519
class of.

1131
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:45.920
Nineteen eighty four, and I was a bad kid.

1132
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.519
I was somebody who had quickly fallen away from the

1133
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.519
faith by the time I was in college it became

1134
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.719
an agnostic, if not an atheist, and lived a pretty

1135
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:55.440
wild life.

1136
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:57.039
And so I think one.

1137
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.119
Of the reasons why I think people like me and

1138
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.440
you are a conservative is we understand that it's the

1139
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.000
following that people are sinful. We need to be charitable

1140
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:07.760
for giving to all people. You can't be so harsh

1141
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:11.880
on people, right, And I think part of part of leftism, secularism,

1142
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.559
progressivism is they believe in this kind of perfectibility of

1143
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.719
man through through the hand of government.

1144
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:19.239
Right exactly.

1145
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.920
Topia, Yeah right, if you know, the problem with the

1146
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.800
world is simply that the government doesn't have enough power yet.

1147
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.679
And if we people would just give them them enough power,

1148
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:31.199
as Reagan said, you know, let the planners plan right,

1149
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:33.480
or the more the more the plans fail, the more

1150
01:02:33.519 --> 01:02:35.920
the planners plan right. And they blame it on all

1151
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.519
of us for not supporting them in their early utopia.

1152
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:42.400
But me as conservatives, you know, we understand human nature

1153
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:44.840
better than they do, certainly better than people like Karl Marx.

1154
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:46.920
All without a doubt. Well. And the thing is is

1155
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:50.840
our founding fathers understood this as well. And you know,

1156
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.719
at the time, when you're talking thirteen colonies, you're not

1157
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.000
talking you know, how many millions do we have here

1158
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.519
in the three hundred and fifty million roughly masso menos

1159
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:02.400
here in the US. How do you manage three hundred

1160
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:03.559
and fifty million people?

1161
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:04.719
Yeah?

1162
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:08.239
Well, and I mean you'd have a hard time, you know,

1163
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.960
right here in my little borough of Grove City, Pennsylvania,

1164
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:15.039
which has maybe maybe three hundred and maybe thirty five

1165
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:18.760
hundred people together. And I mean even in a situation

1166
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.360
like that and this was part of what you know,

1167
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:24.559
Yuri Maltsev and other Soviet ec economists used to say

1168
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.000
about the Soviet Union. Imagine a country of twelve time

1169
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:30.800
zones with you know, one hundred and fifty two hundred

1170
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.920
million people, and they would sit there in the Central

1171
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:38.880
Planning Bureau with this massive cattle catalog prices on all

1172
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.559
goods they had that they had to try to set

1173
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:42.880
and by the way, that yeah, this is like the

1174
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.679
nineteen sixties and seventies before computers, and it was just

1175
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.119
impossible to do it. And you Lovely vond These has

1176
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.840
famously said that, you know, only only the invisible hand

1177
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.719
of the free market you could do that.

1178
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:57.400
Only the free market could possess.

1179
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.280
The you know, the knowledge quote unquote of all the

1180
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:04.039
individual people and owners and business owners and everything else

1181
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:07.159
making individual decisions on a daily, minute by minute basis

1182
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.400
to determine what prices are. You can't put that kind

1183
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.559
of power in a group of individuals, or in the

1184
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:16.280
district of Columbia, or in Moscow, or even in the

1185
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:18.559
you know, the borough office. And this again is something

1186
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.039
that the left just doesn't understand.

1187
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:23.039
Yeah, this is how you earn thirty nine trillion dollars

1188
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
in debt. Paul, you know, really, you know you think

1189
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:30.400
about it. But anyway, we digress a minute only to

1190
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.519
you know, go down a little bit of a lane here.

1191
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.559
But I want to get back on talking about Pope

1192
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.119
Leo's first and cyclical letter. Tell us about that.

1193
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Yeah, yeah, it's great. I was really pleased to see it.

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I'm not surprised by it because.

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When in fact, when with my book on Pope Leo,

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one of the things that I predicted in the final chapter,

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as I said, I think his person cyclical will probably

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be on Ai And he telegraphed that to us on

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the day after his election. So he was chosen May

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eighty five, and he went up there to the loggia

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made his statement La pace cia contuti boy piece b.

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With all of you.

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He spoke a little Spanish, mostly Italian, and a lot

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of Latin, and then the next day in English publicly,

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spoke English publicly for the first time, and he said there,

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I know people are wondering what I picked the name

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of Leo the fourteenth, and he said, well, I'm thinking

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of Leo the thirteenth, of course, and thinking specifically of

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his famous and cyclical Rareum Nobarnam on New Things, which

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talked about the new technologies of the day that would

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have been in eighteen ninety one, and how these new

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technologies are were replacing people on the assembly lines, you know,

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people farmers, factory workers, and causing massive unemployment, dislocation and

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really changing the way everything is. And he said, I

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see that now happening with AI. To the possibility of

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AI replacing medical workers, right, doctors, nurses and doct do

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you already have people kind of self.

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Diagnosing with AI online?

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And by the way, that's a positive thing that AI

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can do.

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Right.

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So Leo the fourteenth said that one of the reasons

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that I picked that name is because.

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Of the challenges of AI.

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So we thought that this person's cyclical might be on AI,

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and indeed it turned out to be.

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Yeah, well it's a bit encouraging, you know, you consider

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about what happened under Pope Leo the thirteenth and what

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he saw and what came about, because oh, that's right,

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You've got you know, humanity, you know, God's crowning glory,

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his creation and God's very hand of God that brought

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them through that period of time. And I see God

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doing the same thing in this current era of AI.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no question, no question about that.

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And I and for for Leao the thirteen and one

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of the Leo the fourteenth, one of the things he says,

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and is incyclical, is that you know, if you're going

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to proceed with these new technologies and new ideas like this,

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you can't exclude God from.

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The occasion, right.

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You can't just think that that human beings on their

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own have the knowledge to go about this and just

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figure it out. You need some basic ethics, some basic

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world guidelines. And of course this comes from faith. It

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comes from Judeo Christian feed comes from New Testament, Old Testament.

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And so you know here again, just when people out

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there in the technical world think that, you know, to

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borrow from the Book of.

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Genesis, he shall be as gods, they can be like gods.

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No, I mean, they've just simply harnessed certain things through information.

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Technology and supercomputers.

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But you still need these basic ethics that guide human

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behavior and human relations.

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Human action has love on visus put it, and.

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In order to have a properly functioning where people treat

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one another well, right, and to borrow from a word

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that the O the fourteenth used probably one hundred times.

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And that is cypical right that honors people's individual human dignity.

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Yes, exactly, the dignity of.

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The person, you know, which John Paul a second used

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to talk about all the time, the dignity of the

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human person.

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Amen, we got to go to quick break. We got

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Nutrition for Patriots, Welcome back Bill Martinez here with doctor

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Paul Kendor.

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Paul, you know, as you were describing this situation, I

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mean we could end up with a modern day version

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of the Tower of Babel, right.

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Yeah, And that's the exact language that of the fourteenth

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uses in there, And yeah, you could indeed end up

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with that. And it's funny, there's so many different different

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applications to that very thought I mean the idea right

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now that you can even go online and you know,

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speak into your phone and say, you know, give this

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back to in Spanish, right, yes, with this back to

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me in English, give this back to me in Russian,

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gi and Mandarin in Swahili.

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Right and like bam, just like that a few seconds,

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that can happen.

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So can, in a way, have all these different tongues,

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all these different people conversing in one language because of

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the power of something like AI and your phone and

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information technology, so to bother to borrow from George orwell,

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I mean, it really is a brave new world.

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Yeah, and with that not necessarily for the faint of heart,

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But you know, I think more importantly, and what you're

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suggesting here, Paul, and I agree with you, is that

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now more than ever, we got to hold onto Jesus'

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garment as we get through this era, right right.

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Yes, exactly right.

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And it's moments like Barack Obama infamously said, well, you know,

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these people, they cling to their God and their guns.

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Right now, this is a moment like this when you

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cling to that garment, when you cling to your faith,

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because that's the one consistent thing over the last couple

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of thousand years that can really get you through. And

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also too amid our pride that this is Pride Month,

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the campus believe that the LGBTQ community actually thought it'd

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be a great idea to take the you know, the

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first and worst of the seven daily sins pride and

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you use that as their name. But in our pride

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as human beings, thinking well, look at this AI technology

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we've created. Look at what we can do with our phones.

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You still don't have a group of human beings who

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can build a mountain? Right, who can build a mountain range?

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Who can you know, who could? Who can create here

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in my area of the woods, right, the Alleghany mountains

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or something like that, Who can who can build a sun?

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Who can build a solar system? Who can build a waterfall?

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And some of the probably thinking well I can divert

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a river and actually make a waterfall. All right, dude, okay,

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all right, but yeah, but but you start that from

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the very beginning, you know, come up with your own

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DNA code, right.

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Go create your own double helix, yes, in the in

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the lap.

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So in fact, one of the things that lead of

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the fourteenth understands as a mathematician, right, is that he

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appreciates that there's a certain order in the universe.

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Two plus two equals four.

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Right, male and female come together to create another person.

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You know, here's an alord to our LGBT two friends, right, right,

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you can't have two guys come together to create somebody.

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The two plus two equals four e equals mc squared.

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Force equals mass times acceleration.

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So mathematician understands that, and Christian mathematicians see the hand

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of God in the mathematics and engineering it and the

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whole design of the universe.

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And so does our new pope.

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Yeah.

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And the thing you know, as I'm studying again Solomon,

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when he's given the reins of Israel, he's so overwhelmed

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by the responsibility, you know, he asks God for wisdom.

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And to hear you talk right now, Paul, it reminds

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me that we should look at Ai in such a

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way as an opportunity that we need to seek God

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01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:06.920
for wisdom. As how do we do this in a

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01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:09.720
manner in which the pope is suggesting, right, that we

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01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.760
honor the dignity of all of God's creation.

1435
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.319
Yeah, and you can start, of course with the ten commandments.

1436
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.239
Right, you can start with the beatitudes, and you know,

1437
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:22.399
you don't even in a way need to read the

1438
01:17:22.560 --> 01:17:25.279
entirety of the scriptures to get this right, right, But

1439
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:29.039
I mean, you know there are certain basic codes commandments

1440
01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.520
again be attitudes, right, commandments thou shalt not steal?

1441
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:34.359
That'd be one of them.

1442
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:34.520
You know.

1443
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For our Marxist friends in particular, want to eliminate all

1444
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:38.920
private property.

1445
01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:40.960
Right, this should be a good starting point for them,

1446
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:43.840
you know, thou shalt not steal? Right? But but yeah,

1447
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:47.039
you know, you those those rules are out there, and

1448
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.720
again those are things not set by AI.

1449
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:52.600
But one of the things I like about AI is

1450
01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:56.399
the way that it gathers information that's already out there, right,

1451
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.840
So it's kind of an aggregator.

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01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:00.439
Of previously published information.

1453
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.079
So if you ask it for the Ten Commandments, it

1454
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:06.960
can actually give you the ten Commandments, rather than try

1455
01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.960
to speculate on the ten Commandments, right you were getting

1456
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:11.119
from from you.

1457
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:14.279
Know, Twitter or Wikipedia or Google or.

1458
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Whatever, right, Well, And I think in some instances that's

1459
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what we need to monitor is that that stays a

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01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.479
bit you know, as pure as it can be, because

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01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.359
there's no doubt Paul, as you were suggesting earlier in

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01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.960
the first segment, is there are these antipical forces that

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01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.960
want to command and control and they're going to want

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to utilize this technology for you know, global interest.

1465
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:39.720
What's exactly right?

1466
01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:42.960
And also to Pope Leo in that in cyclical talks

1467
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:47.119
about just war and just war doctrine, and he's been

1468
01:18:47.199 --> 01:18:50.119
ridiculed a little bit for saying that we need to

1469
01:18:50.479 --> 01:18:53.439
update just war doctrine for the current age, right, And

1470
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:56.439
some people have said, well, what Augustine wasn't good.

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01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:56.840
Enough for you.

1472
01:18:58.399 --> 01:18:59.279
And sixty hundred years ago.

1473
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:01.159
But keep in mind, and I mean this Pope calls

1474
01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:04.000
himself a son of Augustine, so he gets that, he

1475
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:05.199
gets just war theory.

1476
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:06.359
But he also.

1477
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:11.479
Understands with the technologies of the age that Augustine couldn't conceive.

1478
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:12.680
Of something like the nuclear weapon.

1479
01:19:12.880 --> 01:19:16.520
Yes, and so here we are today where you know,

1480
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:19.800
where the United States and fighting a war with Iran

1481
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:23.840
or Russia with Ukraine. Ukraine with Russia. You can fly

1482
01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.039
over in the sky and and you know, drop bombs

1483
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.319
and do the things that you can with cruise missiles

1484
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:33.520
and with tanks and airplanes. It's an altogether different thing

1485
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.399
than Augustine's time when it was literal hand to hand combat.

1486
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.920
I mean you were at that point over a thousand

1487
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:44.600
years and much more away from a cannon from a gun, right.

1488
01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:48.479
From you know, any kind of modern technological warfare.

1489
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:52.000
So so you know it's that stuff too. The the

1490
01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:55.199
of the fourteenth is actually warning about in this encyclical.

1491
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:56.720
Well, what does he mean by a just war?

1492
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.640
Yeah, well, yeah, US war. And you know, going by

1493
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:04.439
the principles of Augustine, I mean you.

1494
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:07.640
Have, you know, among other things, you have to say

1495
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:13.319
that all diplomatic options have been exhausted, you had to

1496
01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.720
have tried all means of getting the peace. I actually

1497
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:19.239
talked to Mike Pence about this, because Mike Pence is

1498
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.520
one of our fellows at Grove City College, and he said,

1499
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:25.960
he said, I could tell you in the first Trump term,

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01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:28.880
we must have negotiated with the Iranians two hundred and

1501
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.960
fifty times, right, he said, we felt that we except

1502
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:36.239
that we exhausted all options, all peaceful options, that they

1503
01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:37.079
just weren't buying it.

1504
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:40.159
So in that sense, I think that's a just war

1505
01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:43.279
doctrine that applies that they could check the box on.

1506
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:46.760
And another is that you're not supposed to target civilians

1507
01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:47.680
right as well.

1508
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:52.279
And so which is why that Donald Trump's statement that

1509
01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:56.960
first Tuesday of Holy Week after Easter Easter Week, when

1510
01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.960
he made that statement about wiping out an entire civilization

1511
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.000
of people never to be brought back again.

1512
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:04.520
Well in regard to the Iranians.

1513
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:07.159
Well, whether or not he was bluffing or not, that's

1514
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.159
what prompted the Pope to come out and say that

1515
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:12.119
statements like that are quote truly unacceptable.

1516
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:16.640
It's according to just war doctrine. That's that's not something

1517
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:17.399
you're supposed to do.

1518
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:21.239
Yeah. I think that everybody perceived and understood that statement

1519
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:24.840
according to their worldview. You know, for those that are

1520
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:29.000
pro Trump saw it as typical hyperbole. He didn't. I

1521
01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:32.560
didn't see it as he meant the civilis that you know,

1522
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:37.000
the what ninety million people there in Iran. I think

1523
01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:40.680
he was talking about the leadership. But regardless, you know,

1524
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:42.960
it's okay for the Pope to make that statement, but

1525
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.279
he but he needs to also make the put the

1526
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:48.720
statement against these uh, you know, these other people that

1527
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.920
are making statements, whether it's the Southern Poverty Law Center

1528
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.600
or Schumer or others that are you know, calling people

1529
01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:59.399
Nazis and uh, you know, accusing turning point of being

1530
01:21:59.479 --> 01:22:01.800
a hate I mean, you know stuff like that, that

1531
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:05.000
that's that's extreme, No, it isn't.

1532
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:08.560
He actually did make a statement in regard to the Iranians.

1533
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:12.079
In fact, he said this to analyst Tagrit of Newsmax

1534
01:22:12.239 --> 01:22:14.439
and the way back from the plane on the people

1535
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:16.880
plane on the way back from Algeria. He referred to

1536
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.640
the Iranian regime as unjust. So he actually applied the

1537
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:22.960
word unjust in their case.

1538
01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:23.479
Right.

1539
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:24.880
But I know people would like to.

1540
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:29.239
See him out there making more statements condemning radical Islam

1541
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.520
and so forth. I mean, I imagine those will probably

1542
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:35.920
come over time. He's only been poking about a year, right, right,

1543
01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:37.800
But but you know, when when you hear of some

1544
01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:42.560
sort of terrorist attack that happens wherever, wherever, that will

1545
01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:44.479
be in the months and years ahead, I mean I would.

1546
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:45.800
Imagine he's got a condept condemn that.

1547
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:47.000
I expect him to write.

1548
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:49.439
Well, you know, here in America, as you know, Paul,

1549
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:52.319
you know, the culture is being impacted from you know,

1550
01:22:52.399 --> 01:22:55.640
a plethora of worldviews that are detached, you know, from

1551
01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:59.600
godly principles. You mentioned the ten commandments, you know, basic principles,

1552
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:03.479
that attitudes that Jesus has given to us. And this

1553
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:09.039
is all creating an incredible dangerous culture, you know, for

1554
01:23:09.159 --> 01:23:10.239
people to live in today.

1555
01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:14.920
Yeah, yeah, no question about that, agreed one.

1556
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:17.960
Well, we've got to wrap things up. As always, I

1557
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.960
appreciate your time and thank you so much for being

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01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.640
with us. Paul Kengor is Professor of Political Science and

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01:23:22.720 --> 01:23:25.399
Chief Academic Fellow of the Institute for Faith and Freedom

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01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:27.800
of Grove City College. Thank you, Paul, Take care, God

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bless see you.

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Bill. Thanks.

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Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here along with

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Adam Holtz from plugged in dot com. Hey, mister Adam,

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how you doing, buddy, Bill?

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I'm great.

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How are you doing?

1632
01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:17.359
Okay? I was just browsing over an article about YouTuber's success.

1633
01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:21.439
They're biting into the box office. You've got some talent

1634
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coming out of you know these you know, these young

1635
01:27:26.279 --> 01:27:30.800
people who are providing content that's getting eyeballs.

1636
01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:35.319
Yeah, and a lot of eyeballs. Last weekend we had

1637
01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:42.199
two of the top five movies were based on original

1638
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:47.600
YouTube content, of that being back Rooms and The Amazing

1639
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:52.079
Digital Circus the Last Act, and there are a couple

1640
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:53.720
of things I want to say about it. I think

1641
01:27:53.760 --> 01:28:00.239
it's significant in that the gatekeepers have lost the plot, right.

1642
01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:03.359
You know, you see traditional Hollywood jumping up and down,

1643
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angry and pouting that you know, people don't want to

1644
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:12.720
go see their retreads anymore. But the reality is you

1645
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.800
have people who are creating content that is engaging with

1646
01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:22.560
a fan base. And I believe that The Amazing Digital Circus,

1647
01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:25.760
one of the episodes on YouTube has been viewed like

1648
01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:28.840
four hundred and seventy five million times, and so even

1649
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if you haven't heard of it, a lot of people have.

1650
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:37.880
And so I think it speaks to the democratization of

1651
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:41.399
the entertainment industry. I think the technology that's available now

1652
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means that, you know, somebody sitting at home on their

1653
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computer has the ability to do things that only a

1654
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studio could have done fifteen years ago.

1655
01:28:50.319 --> 01:28:53.199
Right, exactly, Yeah, amazing, Well, and the thing is going

1656
01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:57.319
to be interesting. It's almost like the way the music industry. Yes, right,

1657
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:01.239
that's exactly right. It's how Justin b Justin Bieber came

1658
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:03.239
on the scene. They said, hey, look at the numbers

1659
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:06.119
that this guy's attracting. Maybe we should sign him to

1660
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:08.960
a contract. But you know, it'll be interesting because that

1661
01:29:09.199 --> 01:29:12.680
was then. This is now where you know, these YouTubers

1662
01:29:12.720 --> 01:29:15.079
and these people are I mean, look at the numbers

1663
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:18.640
the back room did I mean, what was eighty four

1664
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.239
million or something like that that it did. Yeah, that's

1665
01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:21.760
I think.

1666
01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:24.960
Yeah, it's up to this point, it's done two hundred

1667
01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:27.399
and twenty million, and so we're in like, you know,

1668
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.119
those of us of a certain tender age will remember

1669
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the Blair Witch Project, you know, and there's sort of

1670
01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:38.880
a long, rich history of these incredibly cheap independent horror movies,

1671
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:43.520
you know, breaking out to one thousand x returns, right,

1672
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:45.880
and this is the latest example. It's not like this

1673
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:49.359
has never happened before. But you know, at the same time,

1674
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:52.760
you've got the Mandalorian and Grogu, you've got Star Wars

1675
01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:57.000
from Disney. I mean, arguably, you could make the case

1676
01:29:57.119 --> 01:30:00.720
that it's the biggest studio in the biggest brand and

1677
01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:03.199
it's totally tank. Now it's tank to the tune of

1678
01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:07.119
one hundred and fifty eight million dollars domestically, which might

1679
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:09.199
sound like a lot of money, but the thing probably

1680
01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:12.319
costs between two and three hundred million. And you say, okay,

1681
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:14.720
well it's close to breaking Well, no, it's not, because

1682
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:18.600
studios typically split ticket prices fifty to fifty with theaters.

1683
01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:22.439
So if a movie costs two hundred million, it's got

1684
01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:25.439
to make four hundred million, plus there's marketing, which can

1685
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.800
sometimes be another one hundred million. So they're estimating that

1686
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:33.880
Mandalorian and Grogu's break even spot was probably around six

1687
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.479
hundred million dollars and it's not even going to make

1688
01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:40.279
three hundred million, you know, all together, even when you

1689
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:44.560
put domestic returns in. And so yeah, I think it

1690
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:50.640
speaks to fatigue, and it speaks to the lack of creativity,

1691
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.119
and people are just tired, but they will spend their

1692
01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:56.399
money on something that they perceive to be engaging and

1693
01:30:56.560 --> 01:30:59.680
original and new. Now, having said all that, there's always

1694
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:03.039
a coat, right, you know. The number one movie last

1695
01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:06.920
weekend was Scary Movie, which was actually the sixth movie

1696
01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:10.520
in this franchise, and it made like eighty five million

1697
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:14.119
dollars as a hardcore R rated movie. So I kind

1698
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:15.760
of speak out of both sides of my mouth. On

1699
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.680
one hand, I would say fans are tired of some

1700
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:22.560
of the same old sequels and retreads, and by the

1701
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:26.960
same token, they still get a foothold too, So it's

1702
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.359
kind of both. And but certainly we're seeing times change

1703
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:33.920
in terms of who can create content and command you know,

1704
01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:34.920
viewer's eyeballs.

1705
01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:37.720
Well, it's interesting because this is going to open up

1706
01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.399
a whole new portal. It's opening up any whole new portal,

1707
01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:45.079
you know, for creativity. And you know, so you just think, okay,

1708
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:49.720
with these young people who have some sense and some

1709
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:54.319
you know, realm of independence, are they going to be

1710
01:31:54.520 --> 01:31:59.399
brought into you know, a major operation like Disney that's

1711
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:01.319
going to tell them, you know, when and how high

1712
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:01.760
to jump?

1713
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:02.720
Right now?

1714
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:05.800
I think that's a great question. And again we have

1715
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.560
a double edged sword with all sorts of content creation.

1716
01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.359
We know from polls over the last ten years that

1717
01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:16.479
becoming a content creator in some of these surveys is

1718
01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:20.880
now the number one career aspiration for a lot of

1719
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:23.119
young people today. And I think that there is this

1720
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:25.960
sense that it's achievable, that all you have to do

1721
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:28.880
is go viral. But the flip side of that is

1722
01:32:30.039 --> 01:32:33.960
every day there's more competition, right, and so whether you

1723
01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:38.880
are an unknown content creator or whether you're Disney, everybody

1724
01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:41.880
is creating content and there's more and more every day

1725
01:32:42.000 --> 01:32:46.319
competing for the same excuse me, the same eyeballs, and

1726
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:51.000
so your odds as a content creator today aren't what

1727
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:54.279
they were in twenty ten, right, I mean, you've got

1728
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:58.479
a lot more competition, and so it's possible that you

1729
01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:02.319
break through and find an audience. But it's also possible

1730
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:04.600
that you know, just like your dream of being a

1731
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.399
rock star, an actor or you know, the starting point

1732
01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.600
guard for the Los Angeles Lakers, it's probably not going

1733
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:14.119
to happen. So both of those things are true simultaneously,

1734
01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:14.720
I think.

1735
01:33:14.920 --> 01:33:18.640
Right exactly. And you know, for those of us of faith,

1736
01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:20.399
we just say, look at I want to do what

1737
01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:22.840
God calls me to do. That's right, and if He

1738
01:33:22.920 --> 01:33:26.159
blesses me and causes me to rise to that level,

1739
01:33:26.600 --> 01:33:28.239
then it must be for his glory.

1740
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:31.479
Right, That's exactly right. And I think that as we

1741
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:34.520
help our kids, especially try to navigate that it doesn't

1742
01:33:34.560 --> 01:33:37.479
mean that we that we say no, but it does

1743
01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:40.119
mean that we have a responsibility as parents to try

1744
01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.479
to help them navigate well. What is it that is

1745
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.760
attractive to you here? Because I think that they have

1746
01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:50.520
grown up in a world in which the instant affirmation

1747
01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:54.680
of likes and clicks is the currency of self worth,

1748
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:59.079
and we know that our identity is based on something

1749
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:01.560
deeper than that, and we want to help them establish

1750
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:03.000
that foundation for themselves.

1751
01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:05.960
Yes, hopefully, let's talk disclosure day.

1752
01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:08.720
Yeah, I mean this is going to be a big movie.

1753
01:34:10.000 --> 01:34:12.720
It would be big regardless of what the box office is.

1754
01:34:13.399 --> 01:34:17.359
This is Steven Spielberg's fifth alien movie, if you're keeping

1755
01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:19.159
scored at home. The first one, of course, was Close

1756
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:22.600
Encounters of the Third Kind, which came out Man almost

1757
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:23.479
fifty years ago.

1758
01:34:23.600 --> 01:34:26.039
Bro, who had it?

1759
01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:26.680
Feels old?

1760
01:34:26.840 --> 01:34:27.560
Who feels old?

1761
01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:29.960
Only five decades ago?

1762
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:33.439
Okay, it's weird. My knees and my fingers hurt this morning.

1763
01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:34.079
I don't know why.

1764
01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:39.159
Oh wait, I'm old. So this is a movie that

1765
01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:42.960
sort of pulls from the headlines directly, and we're getting

1766
01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.399
all this news about you know, the US government has

1767
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.479
been tracking aliens for fifty years? Is it true?

1768
01:34:48.640 --> 01:34:49.399
Is it not true?

1769
01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:52.880
Is it credible? Is there evidence? All of that is

1770
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:57.319
sort of the backdrop here, and so this movie imagines

1771
01:34:57.399 --> 01:35:02.439
a sort of shadowy para governmental organization called WARDEX that

1772
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:04.960
knows that aliens are real, but they want to keep

1773
01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:07.319
a lid on that. And so there's a guy who

1774
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:10.840
used to work for ward X who wants to kind

1775
01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:14.439
of blow the lid off of that. And then Emily

1776
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:17.560
Blunt plays a weather woman at a Kansas City TV

1777
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:24.239
TV station who essentially sort of gets chosen by the

1778
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:30.319
aliens to be one of their representatives. And so this

1779
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:33.319
is a movie in which they are trying to make

1780
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:38.880
the truth of alien presence known. You know, it kind

1781
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:40.960
of goes back to the X Files. The truth is

1782
01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:44.359
out there, and the WARDEX people want to keep, you know,

1783
01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:47.119
keep all of it under wraps and make sure that

1784
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:50.479
they control the power of things. So there's a lot

1785
01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:55.840
of spiritual stuff in the movie. Steven Spielberg obviously is Jewish,

1786
01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.840
and interestingly enough, one of the reviews I read from

1787
01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:04.479
Brett McCracken talks about how they're parallels with the Exodus story,

1788
01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:07.119
that the aliens kind of choose these two humans to

1789
01:36:07.239 --> 01:36:11.640
be their representatives, and he makes a really interesting case

1790
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:17.039
that Spielberg is trying to talk about transcendence in God

1791
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:20.560
in this sort of you know structure.

1792
01:36:20.840 --> 01:36:21.000
Now.

1793
01:36:21.159 --> 01:36:25.000
Having said that, the movie itself asked the question, if

1794
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:27.560
aliens showed up, what is that going to do to

1795
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:30.520
people's faith? And I think that's an interesting question. I

1796
01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:35.239
think the movie's answer is pretty muddled, and unless you're

1797
01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:38.319
really paying attention, I'm not sure you're going to jump

1798
01:36:38.399 --> 01:36:42.079
to the exodus story as you know what Spielberg is

1799
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.800
actually trying to do here. So I think there's potential

1800
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:50.159
for this to spark conversation. I also think there is potential,

1801
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:54.520
if you're not thinking critically about it, for some believers

1802
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:57.000
potentially to have confusion over it, or for it to

1803
01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:58.680
be a negative influence spiritually.

1804
01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:01.479
Yeah. I think that's a good question. You know, what

1805
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.359
impact would this have on your faith if all of

1806
01:37:04.399 --> 01:37:07.199
a sudden, you know, an alien comes knocking at your door?

1807
01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:07.960
Yeah?

1808
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:11.199
Yeah, Well, and even with the news that we have

1809
01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:14.479
already had, I think it's a salient question, even apart

1810
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.239
from what Steven Spielberg is doing with this movie, because

1811
01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:21.720
the news stories are everywhere, and so how do we

1812
01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:27.680
think about that theologically? And Steven Spielberg kind of teases

1813
01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:32.560
the question without really I think, fully answering it, although

1814
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.159
you know, we get we get aliens sort of in

1815
01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:38.199
the place of God here. You know, it has sort

1816
01:37:38.239 --> 01:37:42.119
of an alien Judeo Christian vibe to it. Which again,

1817
01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:44.720
is the glass half full or half empty? Well, the

1818
01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:47.000
answer might be yes, yes, right.

1819
01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:47.319
And.

1820
01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:53.800
I'm sure you know somehow I feel like Spielberg is

1821
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.600
not going to necessarily, you know, be overt about aliens

1822
01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.520
becoming you know, the new Messiah or something.

1823
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:04.319
Right right, Well, it's like so many things, it depends

1824
01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:06.920
on your frame of reference. And I think it will

1825
01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:08.960
be there for people to see if they want to.

1826
01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:12.199
But if that's not your frame of reference, and in

1827
01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:16.479
an increasingly biblically illiterate culture, yes, I guess says most

1828
01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:18.800
people aren't going to have that frame of reference. So

1829
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:19.640
right there you go.

1830
01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.840
Well, especially in light of everything else that's happening around

1831
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:26.119
the world, particularly in the Middle East. Right yeah, you know,

1832
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:28.800
because I had some friends going, you know, what should

1833
01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:31.520
I watch out for? I said, it's always the same,

1834
01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:34.720
you know, you keep your eyes out for Israel, right.

1835
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:40.399
Exactly, That's exactly right. I mean Israel and the people

1836
01:38:40.479 --> 01:38:43.680
of God. The Jewish people are that God's chosen people,

1837
01:38:43.760 --> 01:38:45.600
and so we have to figure out where does that

1838
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:50.079
fit in the whole prophetic timeline and the different theologians

1839
01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:53.199
answer that question differently, But I don't think we can

1840
01:38:53.239 --> 01:38:56.199
get away from the fact that it's of critical importance, no.

1841
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:59.079
Doubt about it. Well, we're going to wrap it there, okay,

1842
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:02.279
Adam Holtz is always we appreciate it. Thank you so much.

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The One and Only Jeff. Thanks Jeff, how are we doing, Buddy?

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I'm good.

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How are you Bill?

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Hey, I'm doing terrific interesting topic in light of you know,

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artificial intelligence and so much stuff that's coming our way

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that I mean, Jeff, it wasn't that long ago we

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were warning people, you know, make sure the information that

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you're getting is legit. And now, more than ever, it's

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like this tsunami of counterfeit, you know, personages and ideas

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and everything that are flooding us and flooding our minds.

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And it serves as a caution to the young people,

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especially that are embracing you know, Internet and artificial intelligence,

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and we're saying, hey, slow down, be careful, because you

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need to enter into that with a filter of discernment.

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Do you not, Oh yeah, I'm Technology is meant to

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be a tool, and a tool is meant to help

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you accomplish something valuable, and you need to think ahead

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of time, what is the valuable.

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Thing that you want to accomplish in your life.

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At the end of people's lives, they've checked with, you know,

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thousands of people. Did you wish you'd gone to work more,

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did you wish you got more money, did you wish

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you had more stuff, or did you wish you focused

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on relationships. Do you wish you'd spent more time with

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your family.

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Do you wish you'd.

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Said everything you needed to say to your dad or

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your mom, or your son or your daughter, to your spouse.

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So use technology to strengthen your performance in things important

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to you, relationships and doing your job. But what's happening

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is these things and the iPad screen and the portal

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to social media and now AI false life, false information,

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false personages. As you said, we're replacing relationship with self crafted,

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algorithm driven pleasurable videos and memes and you know, chat

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about people. They're not just chatbot personages. And we're losing

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friendship and all the research it says that we are

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losing time eyeball, the eyeball shoulders shoulder men like the

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shoulders shoulder stuff. Yes, conversation with friends and all the

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healthy stuff that comes from being known and knowing someone

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else and then exactly accepting you.

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Yeah.

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One of my favorite counselors for marriages, Emerson Agrits. You

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probably know that awesome. He talks about connection. Connection is

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so vital to relationship. And so the thing is is

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that I think we're built, We're designed. God designed us

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in a way that begs if I might say, for

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a relationship, we need that connection. We need that connection

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with him especially, but with one another. So it really

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forms across because vertically is you know, the vertical pillar

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that goes up to him and the horizontal goes out

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to others in our orbit. And whenever that's out of whack,

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we may not even realize, because Jeff, it can be

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so subtle, but it's enough to kind of turn our

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world topsy turvy and confuse us. Right, Yeah, my.

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Wife and er benefiting on Sunday from a sermon by

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Pastor Tim Calwell at our church and Little Rock, and

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he basically taught on Jonathan and David from the Testament

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passages about their friendship which lasted for ten years during

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their late teens to late twenties. And this was mostly

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during the time when David was yet to be king

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but was supposed to be the king by prediction, but

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Jonathan was the one in line as the natural heir

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to be the next king after his father saw and

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Tim pointed out some things about their friendship. First of all,

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they had a deep bond and affection for each other. Secondly,

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they expressed it. They used their words to say you're

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important to me. Thirdly, they made a covenant vow of

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loyalty and commitment. And fourth, David took off his chest

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protector peace, and his belt and he gave his sword

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and all of that to Jonathan, his friend. He gave

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some of his most valuable weapons to his friend. Now,

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you wouldn't expect a friend to immediately hurt you with

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the sword. But if you think of your honesty and

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your disclosure and your story and who you really are,

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your weaknesses and faults, your fears, if you give that

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to a friend, you're taking a risk. Right, they could

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they could burn you with it. They could hurt you

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with it, they could look down on you maybe with it,

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or if they still accept you, it booies you and

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strengthens you, and you are even less weak in those

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areas because you're being honest with them. So that was

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a great example that you take the valuable things of

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who you really are and give them to your friend.

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And then the other thing he pointed out was that

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Jonathan was so humble he lifted up his friend David

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and supported David becoming the next king over himself. Right,

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he knew that was his best interest that's amazing.

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Well, it's huge. And the thing is it's revelatory. You

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know he got Jonathan, I believe got that message from

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God because it was it was prophesied that David was

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to be king. Now, whether or not Jonathan was fully

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aware of that, I don't think the Bible clears that

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up necessarily, but his actions demonstrate. See, we can always

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look at the fruit, just like you pointed out, look

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at the fruit of one's belief in their worldview. His

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worldview was such that he was very humble, He was

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very I get yielding to his friend and to a

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higher calling that in and of his flesh. Anybody else

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would have said, heck, no, man, it's good to be king.

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I'm in line. It's mine and you rethroughout the Bible

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time and again, even when Solomon became king, his brother

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wanted to be king.

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Right, Yeah, Jonathan, he saw David defeat Goliath, and instead

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of being jealous, he saw that God's hand was on

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this man. That was an anointing on David, and he

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supported it. Right. And then, even though you said he

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was humble and meek and and submitted to David's future

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king role, Jonathan was courageous his heck, he stood up

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to his dad. His dad threw a spear at him

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because he was so angry at David, and he was

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angry at Jonathan for being friends with David. And David

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stood up to his dad and said, David doesn't mean

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harmed by you. He's a good man. Don't go after him, dad,

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And then he went and protected him. So all that

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is really amazing.

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But think of this.

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David became a great king, but he was vulnerable when

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he didn't have his friend Jonathan. Jonathan wasn't alive anymore.

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At the point at which David let the army go

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out soldiering and he didn't go with him, he stayed

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in isolation back at the palace. And that's when the

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temptation to look at Bethsheba and then steal her and

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then get her husband killed. All that happened when he

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didn't have his friends. So the bottom line that Pastor

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Tim gave us was get committed to your friendships and

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spend an hour. He spends one hour every week in

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a deep conversation about his life and his friend's life

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with other friends. That's exactly what I do. In the

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verbi call huddling, right, and I do with two other guys.

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But Tim made it so simple. Do you talk for

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forty five minutes an hour every week about what's important

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in your life with your closest friend or two? And

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I can help men and women do that, although I

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tailor a lot of my language to men at Menhull,

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But that's my takeaway. Commit to a friend, ask God

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who it should be, maybe a couple, and then spend

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thirty minutes, forty minutes, maybe an hour every week, put

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it on the calendar, and talk about everything important in

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your life exactly.

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You know, when I was growing up, particularly in my age,

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maybe a little bit in yours because I'm a little

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bit older than you, Jeff, you know, the slogan was

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get real man, It's time to get real, right, And

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I think that in your generation you had something similar

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to that as well. But here it's interesting that has

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not receded. The need for reality is still there, and

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we're being presented a false God through AI and all

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these other channels, and it's like, okay, there's an exchange here.

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You can spend forty five minutes on you know, social media,

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which is not all that real. It's more amusement, which

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means without your mind, or you can invest it with

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other men and do something of value that will catapult

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you in the direction of your destiny. So it's your choice, right.

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Yeah, it's entertainment, it's scrolling, it's distraction, it's numbing yourself,

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which leads to isolation and more loneliness. Yes, or it's actual,

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real relationship. And I think the word relationship is not

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as robust for men as a core friend you know,

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as a brother, a teammate, And I call it intentional friendship.

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And the highest level is weekly and honest. You put

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it all on the table and you do it consistently.

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That's what we're doing at menhuddle dot com. And the

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Core three coaching is just a text every week that

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to everyone. Right, our phones are distracting us from it.

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Yeah, there you go one more time, Jeff the email

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over the website, go.

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To men Huddle dot commnhuddle dot com.

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Jeff Kemp, the author and ministry leader. Hey, just for

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you ladies and gentlemen, I'm particularly for you guys. Check

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it out. Thank you, Jeff, take care, Thanks Bill.

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