April 23, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 04 23 26

The Bill Martinez Show 04 23 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 04 23 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah?

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Okays, do it?

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events.

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Our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez, Well.

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Good morning. Six minutes after the top of the are

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Bill Martinez here along with Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal. Hey, Mike,

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how you Doing's not bad?

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Bill?

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How are you?

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Hey? Doing fine? Like you probably a little disappointed about

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what happened in Virginia, but really, I mean, look at

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the Democrats outspent the Republicans, the Yes against the No

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four to one, and you know, my first thought is

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talk about disenfranchisement of Virginians because how much dark money

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did you have involved in the in the campaign? Not

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to mention the way this ballad was presented exactly, there's

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just a lot of slide of hand and a lot

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of deception, I believe, wrapped up into this. And I

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got to imagine a good percentage of the voters there

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in Virginia not real happy about this.

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No, it's really there's so much shenani I mean, I

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just used the word shenanigans.

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I think that's probably apt.

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It was just you could just begin to list it

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the way the ballot, the measure was presented to the

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voters was absolutely absurd. The word fairness was tossed around

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repeatedly by the Democrats, and they brought in the big guns.

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I mean, they had Obama running, they've been running ads

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twenty four to seven three sixty five for months, brought

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in a lot of money, poured a lot of money

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into this, and ultimately we're successful, at least from a

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pure voting standpoint. I mean the fact the legal problems,

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of course, where it was presented, it was presented in

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a manner which was not which was the Constitution of

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Virginia mandates that if you're going to introduce these ballot initiatives,

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you have to have the expiration of certain elections.

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And this was introduced in a period of time when.

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An election was already ongoing, So there was a lot

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of questionable procedural measurement measures that were utilized here.

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Those are arguments that are going to be brought up.

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Of course, the way it was presented with the word fairness,

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when that's completely completely false, presented to the voters in

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an improper way. It's it's before the Supreme Court of

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the Unit of Virginia, not the United States. So the

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Virginia Supreme Court. I'm not optimistic about it because I

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really don't think of a court, particularly in lieu of

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the fact that there was just a statewide voter referendum

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on it, is going to be in any kind of

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position to want to look like it's overturning that. So

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I think the battle, unfortunately, has already been lost for Virginia.

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Regarding this, also, the word temporary was thrown.

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Around too, which is completely nonsense.

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There's no way this is going to be a temporary measure.

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But what you do see here is that, look, the

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Democrats play for keeps. They're playing. They bring you know,

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the the old the old line from the untouchables. They

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they never bring a gun, never bring you to a

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knife to a gunfight.

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Right, they bring guns.

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We while well, the Republicans didther in Indiana poor, all

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this money into the Texas you know, primary for senator

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in Texas, all of this they did. They did their around.

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They play mister nice guy. They want to present to

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be bipartisan. They don't put the Save America Act up

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for a vote, they don't nuke the filibuster. You're looking

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at all of this, they're playing. They're playing this nice

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man game. Meanwhile, the Democrats are lying to the American

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people and are playing for keeps, and they don't They

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have no compunction with doing everything they can, anything necessary

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to appropriate power. Interestingly, this is just again I'm not

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alleging that there's actual fraud here, but there's so many

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things that happened that just raise your hackles here with this.

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For example, fairfex the vote was coming in last night,

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and Fairfax County, which is a very blue county, right

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is one of the.

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Very deep deep blue county.

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It's really changed demographically, of course with an importation of immigrants,

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and of course Trump derangement syndrome is located there in

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mass because it's a lot of federal workers.

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So but they held back.

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The results from Fairfax count very late, you know, hours

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after all of the other counties.

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I was I was wondering why, because going into it,

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you're you're looking like it's gonna go down to the feet,

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and then all of a sudden there's a big swing

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of three hundred thousand votes, right right.

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So that's just okay, come on, let's let's if you

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really want you want to you want to give, you

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want to undermine the faith and democracy and the faith

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in the process. That's that's a really that's something you

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should do, is drop in the most left wing county

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in the in the state into as a late comer

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in their vote tality. That's that's smart. I mean, sorry, so.

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So so you think this was all that was orchestrated.

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I mean, I don't necessarily I won't go so far

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as to think that, but certainly it's it's very questionable that.

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One other thing that's interesting too is the number of

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mail votes is just bizarre.

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From my perspective.

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It's how many people vote by mail on a one

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off ballot initiative in April of an you know, and

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an April election.

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Really, who who really goes and fills.

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Out a ballot when it comes to a one off

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issue ballot referendum. I don't know anybody who ever does.

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I don't know anybody who does so. And then there's

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and of course the numbers skewed dramatically for the Democrats

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in the mail ballot, in the mail vote. So for

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another instance, why we say we have to look mail

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voting is just so ripe for an undue influence and fraud.

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Mail voting is nonsense. Absentee balloting, absent voting appropriate, there

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are limited circumstances. There's thoroughly defined circumstances where people can

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vote via absentee ballot. Widespread implementation of mail ballot is

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just a disaster, a disaster for Republicans politically, a disaster

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for the country period because it's just so rampant with

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the opportunities for fraud.

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You now, this is what you said earlier in terms

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of you know, coming to a gunfight with a knife.

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This has long term been the problem, you know, with

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the Republican Party. I mean, John, my good friend John

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Za Merrick says, it's like the Republicans are the Washington

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generals against the hartle them globe trotters. They're just out

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there just for show, to have some team, you know,

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take the loss, and they do it, you know, every night,

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and and happy to do it. It seems the Republicans

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are the same way.

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I mean.

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The perfect example is this is that we have we

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have a solution languishing in the United States Senate right now.

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Months and months.

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Ago, the House of Representatives passed the Save America Act,

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right common sense solutions that overwhelmingly are agreed upon by

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the United States by the electorate ID when you vote,

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identification our proof of citizenship when you register to vote,

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and identify and remove non citizens from the voting roles,

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common sense measures to protect the integrity of the voting system.

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And yet John Thune brought it to the floor for

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debate and consideration, then went on a two week vacation

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and now hasn't mentioned it since he's come since the

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Senate's reconvened. This is absolutely absurd that this just demonstrates

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that these are not serious people who want to solve

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that want to want to solve the problems facing America

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right now.

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Well, especially when you got eighty percent of America supporting it. Now,

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does this address the mail in ballot issue as well?

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Nothing on that in the Save America Act, but that

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could be something to build on. And then President Trump

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does have an executive order that he issued regarding this

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and it does tighten it up. Now, now this is

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another issue because the I think the the executive order

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that he promulgated regarding mail voting, and it doesn't outlaw

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mail voting, but it tightens up the process. It directs

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the Postal Service to put on tracking forms, it directs

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DHS and and other federal agencies to take a more

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active role in monitoring this. It directs the US Postal

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Service to promulgate a new regulation regarding security of mail ballots.

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So it's it's a limit.

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It's a executive order that I think falls within the

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within the confines, within the parameters of his Article two powers.

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The question will be is whether it's implemented in time

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for the midterms. Elections are going forward. But he's again,

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this is the whole point. Donald Trump is doing whatever

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he can do to advance the interests of the American people. Here,

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it's the republic it's the other Republicans that are dragging

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their feet on this stuff.

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Right exactly. And it's also I think what is disturbing,

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you know, going back in terms of the personality, it

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just seems to be and the culture within the Republican

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Party rid large, is that they want to acquiesce, they

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want to play nice, like you said, and then Donald

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Trump comes in and he's turning tables upside down and

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he's making things, you know, making things happen that the

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American people are happy with. But the party isn't catching

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up with him.

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No, no, And I don't know if they're I don't.

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I gotta believe at some point Thune's gonna get the message.

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But I hold up.

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I mean, I guess I'm the eternal optimist with this.

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At some point they get the message. But then maybe

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maybe yesterday, maybe Virginia will will wake people up. Yeah,

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maybe I will say a couple of things. The Supreme

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Court has something.

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Don't tell what we got to go to break. Let's

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go to break. We'll pick it up on the other side.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil. Mike,

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pick up where we left off.

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Okay, yeah again, I say, I gotta believe at some

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point some of some events are going to shake the

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lethargy off of some of these National Republicans, particularly again

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the Senate Majority leader. I do think that there are

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gonna be some interesting decisions there are coming down from

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Scotus number one. I think that the v r A,

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the louisianaivers Cala decision might come out today. I think

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that they announced that this Scotus is going to be

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releasing opinions. Now, there's been some speculation that maybe the left.

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That I've heard.

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I'm not advancing this, but there was some speculation on

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x and Twitter that the liberal wing of the Court

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was dragging their feet on the release of this decision

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because they don't want it to affect the midterm elections.

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Keep in mind, what is the issue in Louisiana versus Cala.

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This is the utilizing race for congressional gerrymandering, right, so

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not political jerymandering with what happened in Virginia, but it's

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taking race out of the consideration. And so what that

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would do, presumably would allow a lot of these states

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that have had to contend with this to reinstitute some

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of their own gerrymandering. And you could have drive ostensibly

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Democrats out. So what happened in Virginia you could start

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to replicate in Georgia, Florida, maybe others some other states.

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So again, it could the gerrymandering wars could continue, and

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I think you throw Louisiana versus Cala into it, that's

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an important.

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Factor that might come out. I think it might come out.

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Maybe it'll come out today it would be it would

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be interesting if on the heels of this Virginia vote,

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the Supreme Court releases this decision in louisiannivers Cala, so

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we will see.

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That that would be interesting. Like you say, you know,

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you refer to this as a jerry mandering war, like

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what Josh Holmes said, you know, because the and these

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are my words though, that the Democrats have become very

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effective in jerry mandering. They're like ten degree black belts

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and the Republicans come in with their white belt. I

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mean they're totally unmatched. I mean they're really not serious.

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And uh and they're allowing the Democrats to capture victories

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however way they're doing it, uh, dark money and otherwise.

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But it's like, uh, you know, the Republicans are barely

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getting on the field of play. But Josh Holmes, he says, uh,

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this is you know, going up against the Democrats the

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way the Republicans are going up the Democrats, says, it's

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like challenging a murder war with a serial killer. You know,

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the Democrats have just you know, they've had their way

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and they've been very effective with this. And you know

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that the Republican Party has got to match, because even

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the way they approached this, they were like to the

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dance on this, and you're gonna tell me they didn't

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see that. You know, the the yes vote was outspending.

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I mean they were running ads twenty four to seven.

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as I said, like, when you saw the mail vote numbers,

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it's just come on, I mean, how did you manufacture

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that many mail votes for again an April voting issue

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referendum that normal people are like, what what are you

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talking about?

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It's just they will.

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What they do is they can mobilize foot soldiers to

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go to places where they're vulnerable voters, easily influenced voters,

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and put this in front of them and get them

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to complete the mail ballot. And I mean it, it's

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just a numbers game with them, at a resources game. If

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you hire and it doesn't take a lot, you have

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three or four hundred people who you pay, you know,

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twenty dollars an hour for a couple of weeks to

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go out and get these ballots. They'll go out and

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do it, and they do do it, and so they're

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able to Again, I don't it's it's interesting. I always

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use the term manufacturer of vote. It's not necessarily fraudulently cast,

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but it's a vote that wouldn't be there.

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But for their action, but for the actions of.

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The left wing foot soldiers bringing the ballots to somebody,

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putting it in front of their face, having it fill out,

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and then taking it back. So the fact that the

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just the raw numbers of mail votes shows that, you know,

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maybe there were some I'm not going to go so

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far as to speculate actual fraud, but a manufacturing of

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those votes is clearly at play here. And that's they're

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good at that. And again this is what we say,

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they're really good at that, and they can use that

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to make it to make the outcomes of these elections dispositive.

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so effective at gas lighting the voter, which support of

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the mainstream media of course, and talking like you said,

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talking about fairness and you know, not even considering the

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disenfranchisement of you know what fifty percent, almost fifty percent

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of the voters.

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I mean, that's the real takeaway tragedy in this The

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takeaway is that you're going to have the inner counties

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in the inner counties near Washington, d C. Dictate the

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congressional apportionment for the state, and so you're going to

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have somebody who again I'll just get into a little

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bit of the details because I'm here, is that Fairfax

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four or five congressional seats at this point. So you'll

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have somebody, some NGO executive or Washington DCGs fifteen bureaucrat

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who has no who has does not share any substantial

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interest with a rural voter, and yet the congressional representation

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will be shared amongst those voters. So instead of having

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these reasonably compact congressional districts where you have similar step

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play so you can elect a representative to Congress whose

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who can adequately represent your interests, instead you're gonna have,

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you know, a DC bureaucrat adjacent ally representing rural voters

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in Goochland County, Virginia. So it's just it's absurd. These

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inner counties are just gonna get more and more powerful

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because again it's the such this this deep concentration of

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blue voters who you can crack open and just you know,

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have them be influenced that make them dispositive through all

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these other congressional gerrymandering. It's and you see that if

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you look at the mass it's hilarious. I mean one

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of them looks.

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Like a oh no, my goodness. Yes, it's it's it's

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it's absurd.

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The thing is, the other thing I'm I'm mindful of

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is the reaction of the disenfranchised voters. They're gonna get ticked.

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I mean, they already are in Virginia.

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It's amazing they really are in Virginia now because now

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there's really nothing holding back our governor is.

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She's going after guns at this point.

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Which is really really near and dear to a lot

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of the the rest of I'm in northern Virginia, but

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outside in northern Virginia it's still a southern state, right,

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You're going after guns. Her numbers, her numbers have cratered,

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but I don't think they care. Again, they play for

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keeps here. They come into power. She ran as a

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moderate and this is this is the lesson for everybody.

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Yeah, this is absurd.

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Io.

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Yeah, even Dana Perino had said had kind of given

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her an endorsement. Oh yeah, I think she's going to

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be a good governor and stuff like that, and she

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was she was embarrassed because, uh, her co host had

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kind of reminded her of her endorsed, kind of a

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soft endorsement and consideration. Uh but you know, are we

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looking at a recall possibly with her?

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No?

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No, not now, no way, I mean you can't. It's

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almost again. Look at this, you this is you're powerless

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at this point. Virginia now is a one party has

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become a one party state. We're we're approaching California levels, right,

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really right, So in California, you know, unless you have

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these black Swan events, Republicans really don't have any kind

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of role to play now from from a statewide perspective.

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And so now I think.

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We're we've unfortunately we've become a one party state. Saw

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this coming about seven or eight years ago. Uh, you know,

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it's it's it's an identified strategy. It's a combination of

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Trump arrangement syndrome and then importation of certain demographics that

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you can hook onto the government doll and you can

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get them to vote easily manipulated and get them to

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vote Democrat.

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And then you and then you then you put all.

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These rules in place that that undermine the integrity of

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the voting systems, and you can manipulate the systems accordingly.

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It's just it's it's very similar. It's very very similar

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to what's happened in California. Again, I where I live,

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loud In County is it used to be semi rural.

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Now it's just suburban forever with close you know, not

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not single family homes. Now it's just close compact townhouses

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and apartment complexes. So you can bring in populations that

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are going to vote Democrat forever.

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Yea.

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So it's kind of a it's almost it's not quite

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a lost cause, but it's certainly getting there.

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I get it. Well, Maybe, like we keep saying, maybe

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people need to experience the log gravity enough to finally

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where they just say, hey, this is enough and they're out,

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their heads are out the window saying I've had it,

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I'm fed up, and I'm not going to take it anymore. Maybe,

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but it so obviously it just seems that pain, more

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pain may be in the future for Virginia's sorry to say.

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Maybe nationally, Bill, unless people wake up and understand maybe

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this can be a Canarian the coal mine for Republicans

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nationally and conservatives nationally, and understand that you're going to

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have that. The the left right now wants open borders.

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They don't they they want open borders, They want to

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remove any kind of citizenship requirement for voting. They want

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to have chaos, They want entitlement spending to anybody and everybody.

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Rampant fraud.

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I have no doubt in my mind that the trillions

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of dollars that were that went out at the end

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of the Biden administration have gone to just NGOs for

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question for waste, fraud and abuse. It's just we're talking

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an entire party that is built on fraud and waste.

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And we haven't even talked about what happened with the

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the SPLC.

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So I mean that that is, I mean here they

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are they got caught. I mean here again, fraud is abounding,

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and it just seems to be so attached with the

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Democratic Party.

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I mean here you got fraud.

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Yeah, well, we'll have to pick up on this because,

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of course the story will continue to develop. And that's

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the Southern Poverty Law Center. Just in one case they're

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paying the ku Klux Klan to do their bidding.

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And and and you know, the Unite the Right rally

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in Charlottesville, which we have to hear about, by the way,

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we hear about years and years like it was a thing.

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You continue to hear about this. By the way, you're

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00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.960
talking two hundred and thirty thousand dollars that was spent

480
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.119
to orchestrate that. Of course, when you think about it

481
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.960
from a grifter perspective, it makes sense, right, Well, create

482
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.160
the problem. If we only have to spend four or

483
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:49.480
five hundred thousand dollars to gin up to black flag

484
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.119
an event, you know, to gin up a part an event,

485
00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:55.000
and we can profit by ten million, well that makes sense.

486
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:55.680
Let's do it.

487
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:58.559
So well, that's hey they've been doing and like I said,

488
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:00.720
they're black belt there, ten degree black belts and this

489
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kind of stuff. We got to leave it there. He

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is with Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil, Thank you, Mike, take care,

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Hey, welcome back. Good to have you with us. Bill

555
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.200
Martinez here with doctor wilfy Rolay, the professor of political

556
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.839
science at Kentucky State University, the author of Taboo, Ten

557
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.200
Facts you Can't Talk About and lives My liberal teacher

558
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.599
taught me, and they just they cannot change their evil ways.

559
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:03.880
Liberal teachers just keep teaching those lies regardless of the evidence. Right.

560
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.000
Well, I think a lot of this by this point

561
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:11.599
has become not even seen as dishonest much. It's the mainstream,

562
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.279
kind of upper middle class narrative in the United States.

563
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.200
And that's I don't want to go into a whole

564
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.920
cocktail party rant, but that's actually a real problem. You know,

565
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.880
forty five percent of American kids or whatever the exact

566
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.160
figure is, think slavery was begun by white people in

567
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.960
the New World. You know, in the book you mentioned,

568
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.160
which is back here. It looks like I got my

569
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.200
video mirrored. But yeah, we talked about some of that stuff,

570
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.559
like was the Cold War totally? Was the Red Scare

571
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.680
quote unquote during the Cold War just unprovoked backlash against communism?

572
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.319
Or were there a lot of Russian spies in the country?

573
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.839
I mean, was white flight the product of nonsensical racism?

574
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.799
Or were there major riots involving black and white youth

575
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.960
in every major city and so on. So I think

576
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.200
a lot of people by this point just believe things

577
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:01.279
that are not true, almost as ad it's problematic.

578
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.359
Well, you know, which begs the question here regarding Dui.

579
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.720
Some people think you a Dui is dead. I just

580
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.400
think that it's just gone underground.

581
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.039
Yeah, I mean like the whole dei culture. So there's

582
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.039
a there's a famous phrase. I forget who said this.

583
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.400
Originally it might have been high critiquing the academic left,

584
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.720
but it was like, the left wing ratchet only turns

585
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.400
one way. When you have these professional revolutionaries that are

586
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.200
in systems like what you have on the campus, they

587
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.920
push and push and push in one direction, so you

588
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.799
get something like gay marriage, for example. You can approve

589
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.519
or disapprove of that. But that was a stopping point

590
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.440
for this, and at that point a lot of people said, okay,

591
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.799
we've had enough, and you started seeing a backlash in

592
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.680
the church and society. But by that point you'd already

593
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.279
gotten gay marriage, if that makes sense. So the starting

594
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.039
point had been you know, second wave feminism or whatever,

595
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:59.200
and you push in one direction until you get to

596
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.160
the next point, and then when there's the backlash, you

597
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.880
stop and you consolidate your gains. But from that point,

598
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.440
I guess it left would actually be this way, but

599
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.359
from that point you're only pushing left again. So now

600
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.119
you got trans rites and so on. I think they're

601
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.160
a combination of traditional people, feminists, a whole bunch of

602
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:20.960
people just said okay, this is ridiculous. So the wratchet

603
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:24.079
was it didn't advance really from the Obergefell point, but

604
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.759
it definitely didn't go back, Like we haven't repealed the

605
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:32.599
Supreme Court cases that produced the pro LGBT marriage or

606
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.599
pro feminist results. So this is something similarly with DEI

607
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.079
getting to the point. I mean, what I'd say you're

608
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.680
going to see in these corporations is the vice president

609
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.119
of DEI, vice president of HR, the bureaucracy that's there,

610
00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.319
and that's that's pretty solid for right now. We just

611
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:51.480
kind of made them stop talking for a little bit.

612
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.039
In business, I want to do something about that. But yeah,

613
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.160
that's that's this is a very common situation.

614
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.240
Well, you know, we're talking before we came on the

615
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.559
air about what's animating the kids on the campus, and

616
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.000
you had an interesting response tell our audience.

617
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.759
Yeah, well, this is one of those things when we're

618
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:16.200
talking about these widespread nonsense beliefs like the United States

619
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.680
is a white supremacist patriarchy and so on, that people have.

620
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.480
Do they have effects? Yeah, they have effects, and I

621
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.680
mean like one of those effects. Recently, Pew released the

622
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.200
new data on how men and women feel about each

623
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:32.440
other and the almost constant feminist point is that men

624
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.559
hate women, men are abusers and rapists and so on.

625
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.039
What we actually see is that seventy two percent of

626
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.559
young men said they like women five they want more

627
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.039
dates if anything, which isn't surprising if you know guys,

628
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:46.319
but they love women, they want to get married only

629
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:51.559
twenty five percent, as I recall, of young women like men.

630
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.559
You had a big neutral block, and then you had

631
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.079
a big negative block of thirty seven percent or some

632
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.359
such and a very small percentage of women that we're

633
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.240
willing to openly say yes, I like guys as well.

634
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.519
So again it's it's a reflection of the narrative in society,

635
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:11.319
I think, where we've heard constantly that men are pigs,

636
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:13.799
men don't like you, men just want to use you.

637
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.880
Maybe some truth in the last one, but in general,

638
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.319
men and pretseyleid guys. But everyone's heard this, and so

639
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.960
women are responding and saying, well, we don't like them either.

640
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.400
The problem was that the original claim wasn't true. The

641
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.960
original claim that men hate women had no validity, and

642
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:33.680
I see that very very often across fields.

643
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.079
Are the kids starting to see that that it had

644
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.039
no validity or this is this is my story and

645
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:39.920
I'm going to stick to it.

646
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.200
Well, I think a lot of them are sticking to it, Bill.

647
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:45.599
I mean it's just, first of all, I don't think

648
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.279
a lot of them encounter people. You know, I would

649
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:51.440
say that twenty five percent of women that really like

650
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.200
men are probably people that are in the sorority scene,

651
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.920
or that are athletes, or that are I mean even

652
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:58.680
something like band. You need to be a nerd and

653
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.400
be popular. I mean, like they're doing things where you

654
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.680
meet people. Yes, And I think if if you have

655
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.279
a brother, it would be impossible to view men as

656
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:11.240
these kind of devilish, wicked beings. Like you might hear

657
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:15.000
them as stupid or brave or driven by physical urges

658
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:16.319
or something, but they're just They're.

659
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:17.440
Like your little bro Tim.

660
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:18.440
Right.

661
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.359
But if you grow up in an only child family,

662
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.440
which is increasingly common, it's the near majority in most cities,

663
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:28.680
and you go into one of these internet subcultures where

664
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.200
you're saying online it'd been the term to before be

665
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.240
but act feminist activists, you really don't have that many

666
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.279
day to day encounters with normal men. Men are the

667
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.200
people that are equally anonymous, screaming back and forth with you.

668
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.359
On the Internet, and it's very easy to get pulled

669
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.799
into believing that this unreality is reality. And we also

670
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.279
see this with black activists, with people in the different

671
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.079
quote unquote scenes, even with the alt right, Like, I

672
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:55.480
don't think a lot of those guys get out of

673
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:56.599
their basement very often.

674
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.039
So it's I don't think.

675
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.759
A lot of these people are learning from normal reality.

676
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:03.440
I don't think they see a lot of normal reality.

677
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.640
Well, the thing I find quite interesting is that one

678
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.559
of the complaints that I hear repeatedly, just in my

679
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.920
minimal circles with the opposite sex, is that women have

680
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.320
had it, you know, they've had it with objectification. And

681
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.760
I said, okay, well you complain about being objectified, but

682
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.039
yet you dress in a way that objectifies yourself, So

683
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:27.599
forgive me.

684
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:30.760
There are a couple levels there.

685
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.039
First of them, I don't think objectification means anything except

686
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.639
mildly disrespectful admiration of women. And I mean it might

687
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:39.519
be a longer term, but if you phrased it that way,

688
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.239
no one would believe this is the end of the world.

689
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:43.119
I mean sexualization.

690
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.639
When women say my husband sexualizes me, I mean I

691
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:46.440
would hope.

692
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:47.679
So, I mean.

693
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.000
That's simply, the sexualization is seeing someone as a sexual

694
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.480
being and perhaps imagining them in sexual situations. Then it's

695
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:58.280
rude to like do this leeringly in public. Quite obviously.

696
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.320
That is how men and women see each other, how

697
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.119
you see your girlfriend, of course, that's if you're.

698
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.599
Watching a movie with a name like Beach Blanket Bingo.

699
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.719
I mean, you're probably noticing that these are very attractive

700
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:14.400
women out there intentionally wearing bikinis. Objectification similarly, you see

701
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.239
someone as a sexual object, you admire them in that way.

702
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:22.800
This seems to be almost a dumber version of the

703
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:27.199
early Christian idea of sin, right, Like you're taking the

704
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:31.559
natural normal behavior of people and saying, well, that's imperfect

705
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.239
at scale, and assigning these labels to it.

706
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.000
And I mean, if.

707
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.480
You're gonna do that, I mean just to say your confession,

708
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:41.320
you know, like it's you're not doing anything novel. This

709
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.800
is again kind of left wing wokeness replacing more functional

710
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:51.239
ways of analyzing the world. But basically, in practice, for

711
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.360
these people who don't tend to be the most religious,

712
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.159
the term objectification means almost nothing.

713
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:57.599
And yes, of course, like.

714
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.920
If you there's a duality that's being sought here, right,

715
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.239
would you say if you walk around in a mini skirt,

716
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.440
you're going to be objectified by guys? Now, my first

717
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.599
point is a grammar point that doesn't mean anything anyway.

718
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:13.159
But of course men are going to look at you admiringly.

719
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That's why you're wearing the thing. So what feminists are

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demanding is the right to walk around in the mini skirt,

721
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not only without rudeness, but without men noticing them unless

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they are attracted to the individual guy.

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And that's just fantasy, right exactly, that's not going to happen.

724
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Yeah, once you put yourself out in the marketplace and

725
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you want to be appealable. And the fact of the

726
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matter is is that guys are wiring is is that

727
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our very nature is we admire beauty. That's the way

728
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God wired us. So you know, there's nothing wrong with it.

729
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It's only when you know, when you cross the line

730
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and you're inappropriate. I get that, But it's just that

731
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you know, the construct that some of these women are

732
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developing here, it's just gonna be I mean, what kind

733
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of marriage are they going to have? Will?

734
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Yeah?

735
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Well I think this is and if you look at

736
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the data on sort of sexless marriages or marriages where

737
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there's constant fighting over everything.

738
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Who does this aspect of the chores?

739
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I think a source of that is that refusal to

740
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grapple with reality that men on average, I mean, if

741
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you want to put this politely, often prefer the love

742
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language of physical touch, or women talk.

743
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More than men.

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So you, as a guy are going to have to

745
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adjust to exploring more of your emotions than you normally

746
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would with male friends.

747
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With your wife. I've certainly seen that with my fiance.

748
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And if you just refuse to accept that that your

749
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partner has physical emotional financial needs because that shouldn't be

750
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she shouldn't like me for my money and bravery, you

751
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sometimes see the guys starting to say this as well.

752
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That's a fascinating moral question. But the more time you

753
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spend just dodging obvious reality, the worse your life's going

754
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to be. And again, I think a lot of these

755
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people when I said that a lot of feminism sounds

756
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like an attempt to replace religious or spiritual principles around

757
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dating and marriage. A lot of these people are very

758
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obviously looking for meaning, but they're looking for meeting in

759
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these weird subcultures full of other seekers that don't really

760
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know anything.

761
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Right, and so yeah, a lot of them are going

762
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to have very unpleasant early marriages.

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to Professor of political science at Kentucky State University. Justice

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Claion Thomas warning a warning America that modern progressivism is

844
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incompatible with the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.

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Yeah, I think that's correct.

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I mean, so the firs of the Constitution is on

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the individual and it's on the imperfect individual. I mean, Jefferson,

848
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we both dropped some spiritual references, as Jefferson famously said,

849
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I believe with Jefferson. You know, if men were angels,

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no government would be needed. And the meaning of that

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is that if no one was inclined to steal, no

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one is inclined to compete and fight cheat in business,

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you wouldn't require external regulation.

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But we do.

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And the Constitution provides that regulation at the level of

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the individual citizen. You have the right to speak, right

857
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to use weapons, so on, and also understands that humans

858
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aren't perfect. So, and I'm kind of repeating myself here,

859
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but the Constitution includes provisions for a process for amending

860
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the Constitution. The Constitution has all of these awkward compromises

861
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in it. How do you count slaves and indentured servants

862
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for purposes of voting? Awkward to talk about it. You

863
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need to figure that out. So the Constitution is a

864
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document written for reality, and progressivism is at this point

865
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a very idealized system that includes all these almost faith statements. Again,

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so all differences between people groups are the result of prejudice.

867
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For example, so it's very hard in one sentence, to

868
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maintain the absolute right of the individual to speak freely,

869
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to associate freely, right all of this other stuff while

870
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at the same time saying we have to close every

871
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gap between white and black Americans, whatever that takes. And

872
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.559
Thomas goes deeper than I just did there. But you

873
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can't have the utopian top down society where every white

874
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black gap has to be controlled by the state, black

875
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Hispanic gap, Asian white gap, and then also a society

876
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where people can assemble protests interact as they see fit.

877
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So I would agree with him.

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I don't think that those sort of early almost philosophical

879
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documents focused on the level of the person are compatible

880
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with what Thomas's opponents, even on the court, would want.

881
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:10.559
Right exactly. Well, to me, progressivism promotes a combative environment

882
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:16.400
as opposed to you know, the Constitution. Yes, we acknowledge

883
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our differences, but we're also given you the right to

884
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express those differences, right.

885
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.679
Yeah, well, progressivism the use of the term, right, I

886
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:33.840
think it's important there. So progressivism very specifically says, I

887
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think there are three principles at the core of it.

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Society is structured to oppress you. I mean, that's basic,

889
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.800
Richard Delgado, Jen Stefanchik. Society is set up to oppress women, blacks,

890
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:50.400
et cetera. Two, all gaps and performance basically reflect that oppression.

891
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And three the solution is equity, which is decisions made

892
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:59.039
at the level of large groups to produce equality. Equity

893
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:03.239
is proportional presentation regardless of performance. You could say, and

894
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.000
we've both been bosses, you see, that's how it operates.

895
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.239
The Constitution is the almost again, the exact reverse of that. Like,

896
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you as a person have the right to associate as

897
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.559
you see fit. And notice that the Civil Rights Act

898
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.880
is really limited that. Like, without getting into whether this

899
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is good or bad, I mean, if you wanted to

900
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set up a golf club and say we target upper

901
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:27.639
middle class white and African American men, that would absolutely

902
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.280
be forbidden. So I mean, you're you're, you see this

903
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conflict in every aspect of society. But the Constitution you

904
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have the right to associate as you see fit, speak

905
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.800
as you see fit, arm yourself as you see fit,

906
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.000
and the results of your actions will be what they are.

907
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There's not even an income tax prescribed in the Constitution.

908
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We don't get one until nineteen thirteen. There's no welfare

909
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state set up, So you have a massive clash between

910
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.119
everyone must be made equal and I can do what

911
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.800
I want as a free tax paying citizen, and I

912
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strongly prefer the second of those bill.

913
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.039
Yeah, exactly. Well, and this is what we're dealing with.

914
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This is what's created this dynamic tension, as you said,

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this equity issue, you know, between the haves and have nots,

916
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and you know, we've got billionaires and you've got Bernie

917
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Sanders and everybody out there. You know, because he was

918
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before yelling about millionaires and then he became a millionaire,

919
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so then he had to talk to about billionaires. Right,

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So he's just moving up the ladder as long as

921
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it keeps away from, you know, bringing too much attention

922
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to his his balance and his checkbook.

923
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Yeah, so there are two things there. One, I mean,

924
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your joke is funny, but it's real. I mean, Bernie

925
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.039
Sanders for years had a speech where he closed with

926
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and we're going to get the millionaires and the billionaires,

927
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and then Bernie big Bernie.

928
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Good for him.

929
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He went over I think ten million dollars, He sold

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two books, he made some good real estate deals. His

931
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.599
wife was the president of a college, they bought some land.

932
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.239
So this guy's worth ten fifteen million bucks. And then

933
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.360
all of a sudden it became the billionaires. It's the

934
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.679
same speech, but with the big line drop. So anyway,

935
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good for Bernie.

936
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I don't hate it. Another man making his money, lining

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his pockets.

938
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But the problem with that, though, is that it does

939
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940
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941
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:14.800
average guy that you have a lot of bums. First

942
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of all, almost whatever the term is, people have nothing.

943
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Then you have the average guy that makes fifty thousand

944
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.079
a year. Then you have like you or me, you're

945
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doing well in business, you know it's good.

946
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Good. Then you have.

947
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Bernie Sanders, he's worth fifteen million, he's at a little higher.

948
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.599
And then you have Elon Musk who's worth seven hundred

949
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.840
billion dollars. And that's the distribution of wealth that you

950
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get in a fair competitive system. And you also get

951
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.559
that distribution. It's either going to be Bell Curb or Gaussian.

952
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:39.840
Right.

953
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You're gonna get that in.

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IQ scores, you're gonna get that in success, in dating markets.

955
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You're gonna get that in everything. And people who are

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958
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Frederick Douglas asks, you don't I deserve as much as

959
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:01.559
you well, sure, emotionally, spirit actually, but if you agree

960
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.280
to compete, we know we don't have to equalize every

961
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.159
competition because that's communism.

962
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:07.599
But that's where a lot of people want.

963
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.000
The solution is almost always the revolutionary communism, in my opinion.

964
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.760
Yeah, and then when you do that, you mediocritize the masses.

965
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.760
And to me, that's such it's so disdainful and distasteful,

966
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.159
you know, for me to live in the realm of

967
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.000
the mediocre. That's just read.

968
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:29.360
Oh, I agree.

969
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.159
I don't want to say it like I'd rather die

970
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:33.440
than live an average life selling vinyl siding. That's probably

971
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.800
not true, you know, but it's I do think then

972
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.719
it's not the wrong selling vinyl siding guys any honest work.

973
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.360
But anyway, I yeah, it's.

974
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.920
Kind of lost track of thought there. Let me let

975
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.679
me try to redirect. Yes, well, can you repeat your point?

976
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.800
No, I was just saying that, you know, I don't

977
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.840
want to live in a in a realm of mediocrity,

978
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.519
and when you are engaged in you know, con munism,

979
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.599
in all these isms they want because all in the

980
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.000
name of equity. They want to take your you know,

981
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:12.679
your brilliance, your you know what you excel in and

982
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.159
dumb and bring you down. Well, that doesn't you know

983
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.760
in a free and fair society. It's not healthy on

984
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:25.360
many levels. And it's you know, to me, it's a disincentive.

985
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:27.480
That reminds me of what I was going to say.

986
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.320
I mean, this is Harrison Bird. Have you ever read

987
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.320
Harrison bergeron the famous story. Yes, yeah, I mean so

988
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.679
Harrison Bergeron. For those in the audience that don't know,

989
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.920
it's in a future world, they have to figure out

990
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.360
how to make everyone equal, and it turns out it

991
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.320
goes well beyond like starting financial position of your parents.

992
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.920
Because some people are ugly while some people are good looking.

993
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.039
You know, some people are fast while some people are slow,

994
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.000
and so they get into this whole system of how

995
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.599
do you modify attractive people to be less attractive? If

996
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.360
you've got a fast runner, do you put those weighted

997
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.199
ankle belts on him before a race? And I think

998
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:01.679
it's very darkly funny, But the reality is that if

999
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.519
you want to make everyone equal, you can only do

1000
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:08.519
it Harrison bergeron style by slowing down the fastest people.

1001
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.199
You can never train I was pretty fast in high school,

1002
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:13.239
but you could never train me to catch gout gout

1003
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.719
that Senegaluese Australian guy who just ran at two hundred

1004
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.639
meters in eighteen seconds or something like that.

1005
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.199
Or that new robot they put on the track the

1006
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:24.039
other day, right.

1007
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:25.920
Yeah, now, I mean the robot thing.

1008
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.400
To me, I didn't view it as all that impressive

1009
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.960
because I mean, like Jane my partner said, you know,

1010
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:32.960
you know, a Honda Civic can beat a guy in

1011
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.039
a marathon too, a Mercedes Benz and this is a

1012
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.679
metal man running. But nonetheless, though yes, of course, you

1013
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:43.400
can't take the average person and make them goutcout. You

1014
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.400
can take outgout and break his leg. And I think

1015
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.599
a lot of people are horribly aware of that. And

1016
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.639
this is actually what communism did in practice. This isn't

1017
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:58.440
just right wing ranting like to equalize everything across society.

1018
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.599
They didn't just come for the top class. They came

1019
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:03.559
for the culos, the well off peasants. So there was

1020
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.199
I think this could be wrong. I don't speak the language,

1021
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.840
but I think kulock means two cows. I e. There

1022
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.320
were people that had more than one milch cow that

1023
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:13.559
had bought land over the years from the local noble

1024
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.400
that had done well, they had truck gardens, and those

1025
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:19.280
people were brutally targeted. They were killed, wives were raped

1026
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.800
because they had the misfortune of being better off than

1027
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.079
the average person. So you're taking basically that ancient vice

1028
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.559
of envy and you're making it the guiding principle of

1029
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.280
society in a lot of these theories. Are women actually

1030
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.320
physically equal to men? You know, at least verbally? Are

1031
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.119
men intellectually equal to many women? Are African Americans currently

1032
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.840
at exactly the same cultural level as the wasp bupper

1033
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.960
middle class? This is a genetic that's cultural, But are

1034
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.519
they if you test for English, you know, the same thing.

1035
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.760
Could immigrants learn to speak the native.

1036
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.559
Language a little better? If you just say, well, none

1037
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.360
of that matters. All these differences are due to someone

1038
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:00.920
holding you down. That's going to get a hearing in

1039
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.159
some places, and they're not going to usually be places

1040
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:03.960
that are doing all that.

1041
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:10.960
Well right exactly, and again, this is why America flourished

1042
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.079
because we came. We set up a government of for

1043
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:18.440
by we the people, self responsibility, the freedom to be

1044
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:21.320
the best version of yourself and look what we've done,

1045
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.480
you know, in the first hundred years of our existence

1046
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.119
will and we're about to celebrate two hundred and fifty years.

1047
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.920
And I just hope that as we come to that,

1048
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.519
up to that benchmark, that we can really celebrate, you know, yes,

1049
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.800
the wins and losses, I mean, because you even in

1050
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.880
the losses, you learn a lot, right, Yeah, And.

1051
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.880
I mean on ironically, you know, God bless America, America

1052
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:47.719
two hundred and fiftieth.

1053
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.000
I'm looking forward to the summer.

1054
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.519
I'm actually fairly glad we have a trash talking Republican

1055
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.880
as president for the two hundred and fiftieth birthday. So

1056
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.960
it's not an endless Indians riding horses down to the

1057
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.480
Capitol to bemoan the defeat.

1058
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:01.039
I mean, like you know what I'm talking about.

1059
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:05.639
But yeah, I mean the core point here is when

1060
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.960
we talk about systems and what's good, there's a moral piece,

1061
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.760
there's an ethical piece shirk, but there's also a question

1062
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.719
of in the practical business terms, we would both work

1063
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:18.320
in what works better. So in a time of the system,

1064
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:21.679
you have a rather equal distribution of income, you really do,

1065
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.360
but nobody has any money because nobody works hard. You

1066
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.239
know you're going to get the same amount of money

1067
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.280
as your lazy neighbor, and that would prompt me to

1068
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.880
do nothing other than drink vodka and read the politics

1069
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.480
section of the newspaper.

1070
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:34.199
Which is what Russians did.

1071
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.039
So in a capitalist system, you have an equal distribution

1072
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.440
of income, but you have enough money due to the

1073
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:45.599
brutal back and forth that most people are doing pretty well.

1074
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.320
Most people are middle or upper middle class. So I

1075
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.800
would prefer System two, even though I understand there's some

1076
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:56.119
potentially questionable ethical aspects of it, than System one, where

1077
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.840
sure everyone's equal but everyone's broke. You can be equal

1078
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.920
in poverty, or you can have a diversity of types

1079
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:05.360
of success, and I would prefer a model too.

1080
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:10.559
Yeah, I'm with you without too much government interference, because

1081
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.159
government can't help itself. But that's a whole other issue

1082
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.000
and we can talk about that the next time we

1083
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.840
get together. He's a professor of political science at Kentucky

1084
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.039
State University, author of Taboo. Ten Facts you Can't talk

1085
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.000
about in Lies. My liberal teacher taught me, Doctor Wilfrid Riley,

1086
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:25.519
Thank you will take care of be well.

1087
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:29.320
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1088
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.519
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1106
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1109
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1110
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Hey, right now, six minutes after the top of the hour,

1111
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.159
Bill Martinez here, we've got Kennebramowitz joining us. He's the

1112
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:50.039
founder of Savedthwest dot com, a website dedicated to saving

1113
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:54.000
Western civilization from itself. Uh, we're still fighting the good

1114
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.119
fight here, ken, right, I mean Western civilization. I mean

1115
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.400
we're about well, at least America anyway, one hundred and

1116
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.800
fifty years. But no doubt Western civilization has kind of

1117
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.000
been asleep at the wheel. And you know there's not

1118
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:12.559
only enemies existential, but you got enemies within now camping

1119
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:13.039
out right.

1120
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:14.760
Yes.

1121
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.559
And by the way, the war's a little old older

1122
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.960
thans when you're fifty years The war's thirty eight hundred

1123
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.360
years since the foundation of Judaism and then two thousand

1124
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.440
years old since the foundation of Christianity.

1125
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.519
So Judeo Christian culture, let's say, is thirty eight hundred

1126
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.920
or two thousand years old, depending on how you want

1127
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.840
to look at it. And so that's a long war.

1128
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:42.760
Yeah.

1129
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:46.280
Well, I would say you could always go back, you know,

1130
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.239
to the Garden of Eden. That's where the war began,

1131
00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:51.719
right really, if you really want to get to the origin,

1132
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:53.800
that's where it all started right there.

1133
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:57.559
Well, I'm very proud of you because I tell people

1134
00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:59.960
where in World War three and then after I convinced

1135
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:01.599
and we're in World War three. I say, you know,

1136
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.000
it's actually World War One. It began in the garden

1137
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.360
of Eden or a cavan Nicole, or thirty nine hundred

1138
00:58:08.440 --> 00:58:11.960
years ago with Judaism, two thousand years ago with Christianity.

1139
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.360
So yes, it's a never ending war between God versus

1140
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.920
the Pagans. If you want to make it simple, describe

1141
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:24.480
all of history in one sentence. It's God versus the Pagans.

1142
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.280
They even fast forward to twenty twenty six, it's still

1143
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:29.599
God versus the Pagans.

1144
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.400
That's right. So that's why saying it's World War three

1145
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.119
and World War One at the same time, depending upon

1146
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:38.960
your perspective, that's right. It's still God versus the Pagans.

1147
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:42.559
And now another way of saying it, it's the rule

1148
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:48.679
of law. Yes, barbarianism, that's another way to say it.

1149
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:55.000
It's a morality versus immorality. It also goes to the

1150
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:59.960
issue did God design humans or did humans design God?

1151
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:03.239
So that's another another way to look at the never

1152
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:07.159
ending war. So I'm always amused when President Trump says

1153
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:10.639
I hate endless wars. I yell at the television as

1154
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.920
if it's listening, right, And then mister President, human beings

1155
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.519
have been fighting ever since human beings. That's what human

1156
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:23.119
beings do, right, We're just going through our generations of

1157
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.360
challenges and we have to do the best we can

1158
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:28.239
that generation after generation.

1159
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:32.079
And we required the Law in much the same way

1160
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.719
that Israel required the Ten Commandments. That was that was

1161
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.960
the beginning, right to say, all right, look at here's

1162
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:41.320
the standards. You guys are messing up. You don't get it,

1163
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.119
so I'm going to spell it out for you. I'm

1164
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.480
going to give you ten commandments. And of course, you

1165
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.239
know the Jews weren't happy with ten. They had they

1166
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:50.360
make it like ten thousand, and you know, cause.

1167
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.679
To exaggerate, six six thirteen.

1168
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.039
Okay, yes see, I knew you were going to correct

1169
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:58.199
me on that, but thank you very much. But you know,

1170
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.679
six hundred and thirteen, ten thousand, you know, it's all relative,

1171
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:05.679
I guess, right, And only I only say that because

1172
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.039
we're so silly, you know, because God makes it very simple.

1173
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:09.599
You know.

1174
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.920
It's kind of like the law gravity. Here's the law gravity.

1175
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:14.679
If you defy it, it's going to hurt, So don't

1176
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:17.599
defy it. And so what happens you get a knuckle

1177
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.199
aut up there wanting to defy it, and after they've

1178
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:22.239
broken their legs a couple of times, they start saying,

1179
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:23.599
I guess that guy was serious.

1180
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:27.440
Huh yeah, Well, look, go back in the now that

1181
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.920
we're playing a game of going back into time. Go

1182
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.280
back to the Ten Commandments roughly three three hundred years

1183
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.760
ago when Moses got the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai.

1184
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:43.039
And pretend that you're a leader of some pagan city,

1185
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.559
state country at that time, and you hear the news

1186
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.599
of the Ten Commandments.

1187
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:48.840
Are you happy?

1188
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:53.079
No, because you're a leader of some country, you're by

1189
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:56.719
definition the criminal because there were no elections then, So

1190
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.440
how did you become the governor or the king or whoever?

1191
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.000
You killed everybody who disagreed with you until finally said,

1192
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.880
I guess, I guess Bill's the king. He's the king. Okay.

1193
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.239
So then you hear about the Ten Commandments, and it

1194
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.280
says that all human beings are subject to morality of

1195
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:19.239
the Ten Commandments. It doesn't matter whether you're up on

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the top or down on the bottom of so side.

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It doesn't matter. We're all created equal. Didn't use the

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word created equal at that time till our constitution, but

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in effect we're created equal, we're all children children of God. Well,

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you're this big dictator running some prophets or country. You

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don't want to listen to any of this nonsense you said,

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And that began, didn't begin, but that personified the battle

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between the Ten Commandments and not the Ten Commandments or

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the battle as we just discussed of God versus the Pagans.

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Right, and up until then, it was good to be king, right.

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That trys very good to be the king, because you

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wrote the law, you were the rules, and and anyone

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who disagreed you got rid of them. And by the way,

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and if they had wives that were pretty, you can

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have those two. So you have unlimited powers when you

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were the king. And when the Jews came and said, no,

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you have limited partners powers. And when the Christians came

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thirteen hundred years later and said, we believe in the

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Ten Commandments too, and mister king, you have powers that

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are limited according and you have to a certain morality.

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You have to pay too, and then that started the

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animosity against Christians, just as thirteen hundred years before we

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had the animosity against the Jews. And that's why we're

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peas in the pot twins. The Jews and Christians are

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Siamese twins, believing in the rule of law, in fighting

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the Pagans.

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And then here you get this great American idea that

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comes along. You know, the Pilgrims are in Europe suffering,

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you know, Christian persecution, religious persecution, and crying out to

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God for I guess twelve years saying can we possibly

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can we find a place where we can go and

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be able to worship you without government interference, and twelve

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years of praying and fasting. You know, God sends them

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to America.

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That's right.

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In America was founding for exactly the reason you mentioned

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that there was all this persecution in Europe. They didn't

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really accept even though they were Christians, they did not

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really accept the Ten Commandments. They and particularly they didn't

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respect minority rights. And they should have, but they didn't.

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And so the king, remember Europe was run by kings.

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Kings never respect minority rights. So the people said, let's

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start all over again. Let's have a blank slate. We'll

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call it America, and let's try to create a perfect

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as if something's perfect, religious say, a better world. And

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that's why America is such a healthy country because we

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didn't have to go through the thousands of years of

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baggage of fighting the kings and gods versus the pagans

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and all those biblical issues that we were just discussing.

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And that's why America has such a special, exceptional culture

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that we're all so proud about and we're going to

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celebrate very soon on July fourth.

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Well, you know, you consider that you give it some

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moral boundaries right with the laws and Christian judaeo principles

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as a foundation, and then you liberate the masses, you

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give them a taste of freedom to go out and

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be the best version of themselves all things considered. And

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look what happened in short order. America becomes a dominant

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power unlike anything that has ever been witnessed on the

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face of the earth. And it's and I think those

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two things in coexistence allowed America to rise to such greatness.

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It's connection with morality and with the God that created

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the heavens and the earth, and the fact that people

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could be free to go and be the best versions

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of themselves all things considered. You know, at that point

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in time, don't you think, well.

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Yes, yes, our brilliant founding fathers took the wisdom of

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the Old Testament and New Testament, put it, mixed it

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up together, and created the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,

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and the Declaration of Independence.

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How brilliant is that? We got to go to quick break.

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the founder of Savedthwest dot com, a website dedicated to

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saving Western civilization from itself. So, as we were saying

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before the break, is that here it is. I mean,

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a whole new way of governing was created as a

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result of Madison and our founding fathers coming together and

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looking with a clear sheet of paper. It took him

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some time, you know, to come together, but yet they

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took the brilliance of the word of God and began

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to I believe they were inspired by God himself to

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be able to come up with this, you know, this idea,

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this American idea that was so revolutionary that it was

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about kings, it wasn't about czars. Actually, it was going

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to be the people were going to be in charge.

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Right, that's right, We the people, that's right. Another way

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to characterize all the issues we just discussed it's we

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the people versus they the elites.

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We the people, and.

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Oh and life, libery in pursuit of happiness for everybody

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versus life living pursuit of happiness for the elites. So

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that's another way to characterize World War three or World

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War one, however you want to do it. But our

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founding fathers took that wisdom, the Judeo Christian wisdom of

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the Old and New Testament, synthesize and put it together

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together in a governing format to create the most exceptional

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country in the history countries and the history of the world.

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Parallel peril to Israel. By the way, right now, American

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Israel are really the only two democracies that are functioning properly.

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I think perfectly, but functionally properly, And by that I

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mean protecting life, libery, and pursuit of happiness. That's my

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definition of a proper functioning of a society. And as

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opposed to life, libery and pursuit happens for me and

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my friend, but not for you and your audience. That's

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what the dictators would say. And so I'm so so

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proud of our founding fathers for finding that right mix

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of religious aspects and secular aspects and put it together

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and creating the rule of law and a nation under law,

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nation under God. And so we have so much to

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be thankful about at our forthcoming anniversary.

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Well, the shining light on a hill, some have said,

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has been dimming, but it's still you know, because at

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the very heart of America, I believe, is this, you know,

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consistent group of patriots that still believe in these founding principles.

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And of course that light is a beacon that draws

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others and encourages other nations. I mean, you look at

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what's happening in Iran. I mean, what is the issue

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these people are now, after what forty seven years, are saying.

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You know, it's like you know, you and I talked

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about the last time. They're having their Patrick Henry moment.

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You know, give me liberty or give me death right.

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That's exactly right. And by the way, you just answered

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a question that you didn't ask. Why did dictatorships hate democracies?

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You know, we go alonger merrily way. We don't wake

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up in the morning and say I hate dictatorships, I

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hate Russia, I hate China, I hate a run We

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say well, we're happy in America. We're doing our business things,

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or family things, or educational things, whatever we want to do.

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And in fact, the dictatorships hate us because we said

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an example. We set example just by breathing, just by

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sitting in your chair, breathing and saying, I believe in life, libery,

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in pursuita happens for everybody. The dictatorships, just like we

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were discussing thirty three hundred years ago, the Pagan leaders

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at that time, we represent an existential threat to them,

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even though we don't even think of life that way.

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We just think we're living normal lives. But from their

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point of view, we represent an existential threat to them

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because exactly we're infectious, not a disease, but as life,

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living in pursuita happiness that were there. They're afraid that

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that infection will come to their people.

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It's a stark contrast. And here we are. Can you

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know since the re election of Donald Trump, look at

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I mean before the European countries, China, you know, economically

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they were getting real close in almost especially China, surpassing America.

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Donald Trump comes in and inside of months, all of

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a sudden, there is this contrasting separation of America's greatness

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01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.000
rising right and uh, and they're none too happy about

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01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:08.359
that and uh. And then we have the Iranian War

1435
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.039
call it what you want, and America is on full

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01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:18.239
display of you know, liberating a nation with an incredible

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01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:23.119
amount of military power that really exposes the incompetency of

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01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:28.279
the Chinese that sold Venezuela, that sold you know, Iran

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01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.199
a defense system, has said hey, this is this is

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01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.079
going to be a great defense system, and it's it's

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01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:39.600
fallen on its face. And meanwhile America is controlling you know,

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01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.920
everything over Iran by land, sea and an air.

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01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.079
Yes. Yes, And and think of the upcoming meeting between

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01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:52.439
President Trump and President She of China. Yes, used to

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01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.920
be roughly in amount somewhere in May, and a year ago,

1446
01:15:56.199 --> 01:16:01.039
President She could just pretend would say before Trump, Oh,

1447
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:04.960
America is a paper tiger. They're they're dying, and they're

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01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:09.199
they're consuming themselves. And I'm going to get my hands

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01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.840
on Taiwan sometime over the next year or two or three.

1450
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:17.479
And everything looks just wonderful for me. Now President She

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01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:23.359
pretend is saying, hey, wait, I supplied weapons to Iran

1452
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:26.520
for forty seven years and they got all destroyed in

1453
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:30.199
like three days. And I supplied weapons to Venezuela for

1454
01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:34.039
twenty or whatever years and they got destroyed in three hours.

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01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.640
And I don't want to mess with America. I can't

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01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:41.800
compete with I stole their technology, but they they upgraded

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01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.199
it since I stole it. I don't want to compete

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01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:47.159
with their F thirty five's and their their B two's

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01:16:47.239 --> 01:16:48.159
and their b ones.

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01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:51.680
Not to mention their navy, because you talk about a

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01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:57.079
paper tiger the navy that that China has constructed, you

1462
01:16:57.159 --> 01:17:00.760
might say it's a paper tiger. It's lucky to be flownvoting.

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01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.079
Well, and yes, that's one thing. Another thing as they

1464
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.239
haven't been tested for I don't know, thirty forty years

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01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:13.840
since they fought the Vietnamese during the Vietnammemese War for

1466
01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:19.239
a bunch of days. Art military is battle hardened obviously

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01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:27.079
through forty days in Iran operating miraculously with technology that's

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01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:34.600
way above their technology. And now Ukraine is starting finally

1469
01:17:35.479 --> 01:17:39.119
to beat back Russian forces due to the innovations due

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01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:44.720
to our weapons and then Europe's weapons and now Ukraine's drones. Yes,

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01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:48.800
so I would if I were Chinese, I wouldn't feel

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01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:52.279
so comfortable going after Taiwan. Remember when you're a dictator

1473
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.279
and you make a major mistake, like going after Taiwan

1474
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.119
and it doesn't work out, well, you're dead.

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01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:01.479
You know, someone you and your fan. Yes, that's right.

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01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:04.520
And right now I don't know what she's salary is,

1477
01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:09.640
but I'll guess it's a gazillion dollars. That's a nice salary.

1478
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:13.039
And I don't want to lose my gazillion dollars a year,

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01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:14.600
and I don't want to lose my head, and I

1480
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.760
don't want to lose my family. I'm going to be

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01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.600
missed a nice guy when President Trump shows up.

1482
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:22.479
Well, speaking of Trump and the leverage that he has,

1483
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:28.279
he's demonstrated these negotiations with Iran, even NATO. I mean,

1484
01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.239
he's got a lot of cards to play here, and

1485
01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:34.840
he's leveraging because look at if NATO is going to continue,

1486
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:39.600
it needs to it needs to kind of renovate itself,

1487
01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:40.079
does it not.

1488
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.359
Well, there's two separateations here. One is NATO and one

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01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:47.520
is the governments that are part of NATO. So I'm

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01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:49.640
a fan of NATO, but I'm not a fan of

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01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:52.079
the people running the governments who are part of NATO,

1492
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:56.680
right right, So yeah, So if we could have new

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01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:02.520
governments run by like, oh no, more of these communists, Islamist, globalist,

1494
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.800
nonsense leaders and had real leaders who actually loved their population,

1495
01:19:06.960 --> 01:19:10.399
sort of like a clone, the equivalent of a President Trump.

1496
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:14.800
So in those countries, then we can have a good,

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01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:20.399
strong NATO. Because the countries incorporating NATO are good and strong,

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01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:23.800
and they properly financed their defense, and they believe in

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01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:25.920
their people, they believe in their culture, and they want

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01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:29.239
to save themselves. So that's why I want to save NATO.

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01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:31.880
But I don't want to save any of the governments.

1502
01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.760
No, I hear you. But what you're talking about, the

1503
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:38.399
vision that you're casting here is kind of a renaissance vision.

1504
01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:41.199
Can you imagine? I mean, America is on the brink.

1505
01:19:41.239 --> 01:19:43.720
And I believe what Donald Trump has said in terms

1506
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:46.199
of the golden age for America. Hey, what about the

1507
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:47.880
golden age for the rest of the world? If you

1508
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:52.520
want to participate in the policies that Trump is laid out.

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01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:56.960
Yes, right now, of the one hundred and ninety three countries,

1510
01:19:56.960 --> 01:20:01.479
there's maybe five countries that I'm proud of in terms

1511
01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:06.119
of America. First, every country should be whatever their country

1512
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.359
is first, that's the job of the prime minister. But

1513
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.720
expect them to believe in their own culture. So right now,

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01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:18.640
America is strong, Israel is strong, Argentina with their breath

1515
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:24.199
of fresh air. President is strong, Japan with their breath

1516
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:24.880
of fresh air.

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01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:26.159
A new.

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01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:31.119
President or prime minister can't remember what their official title

1519
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:36.720
is of that very capable woman running. But anyway, I'm

1520
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:40.119
up to roughly one handful of countries that I'm proud of.

1521
01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:45.119
I hope that that infects, but positively infects the countries

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01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:48.239
so that they get run by real leaders who are

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01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:51.079
proud of their cultures and protect their cultures and protect

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01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:53.479
their countries. Then we can we can have a wonderful

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01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:54.560
relationship with them.

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01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:59.119
Yeah, kind of a similar way that maybe blue states

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01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:00.000
versus Red states.

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Right well, that's another thing with America roughly split with

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01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:08.199
the roughly twenty five Republican states and roughly twenty five

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01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:12.920
Democrat states. I don't want them, the Democrats, infecting our

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01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:17.239
twenty five, but I want our twenty five to positively

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01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:23.840
infect affect the other twenty five so that we have

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a strong country. I mean, right now, we have a

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divided country. I have an expression of Abraham Lincoln came

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back to life for one day and we say, mister President,

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01:21:33.279 --> 01:21:36.079
what do you think of America? He said, you morons.

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I let you to a unified country in eighteen sixty five,

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01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.920
and now it sort of looks like eighteen sixty one.

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Get me back to the cemetery, exactly.

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Welcome morning, and welcome Glad you can join us Bill

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Martinez here for more information on the show you Got

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to Bill Martinez Live dot com. We're going to be

1613
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talking about a deadly blood cancer that few people know

1614
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:52.079
about and who it hits the hardest. Doctor Brandon Blue

1615
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.760
is with us easy assistant member and clinical instructor in

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the Department of Malignant Hermatology at Maffitt Cancer Center, and

1617
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:03.920
we have a to myloma multiple maloma survivor. Tony going

1618
01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:06.000
to be joining us as well to tell us his

1619
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.680
story because Multiple myeloma is a rare and difficult to

1620
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:13.720
diagnose cancer because it often produces no symptoms in early stages,

1621
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:18.239
and later symptoms often mimic common age related conditions like

1622
01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:21.239
you know, fatigue, pain, or low blood cell count. Now,

1623
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:25.760
this complex blood cancer disproportionately affects those of African descent,

1624
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:29.279
who are twice as likely to be diagnosed with the disease.

1625
01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:32.239
Black patients are also twice as likely to die from

1626
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:38.079
MM due to delayed detection and access to care. Doctor Blue,

1627
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.439
thank you so much for being with us. Tony as well,

1628
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:43.279
and we're going to get around to your story as well.

1629
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So Doctor Blue, again, thank you for coming on the show.

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01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:48.960
Thank you for having us. I really appreciate that.

1631
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:54.239
Well, what is MM and how does CARTI therapy work

1632
01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:55.680
to combat this disease?

1633
01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:58.159
Yeah, great question. So, you know, I just want to

1634
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let everyone know that we're working with Johnson and Johnson

1635
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a Legio Biotech, just to have me here today, just

1636
01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:07.000
to discuss really my experience is about multiple maloma and

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01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:10.640
really what some of these new treatments are. So when

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01:27:10.640 --> 01:27:13.119
you say what is multiple maloma, the first thing I

1639
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:15.399
say is it's something that people may have never heard of,

1640
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:19.960
but unfortunately the problem is is that it is disproportionately

1641
01:27:19.960 --> 01:27:22.680
affecting people of color. So what happens is is that

1642
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:26.600
inside of your bones, you unfortunately can get a cancer

1643
01:27:26.680 --> 01:27:29.439
inside the marrow, which is actually the part that's inside

1644
01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:32.479
the actual bone structure itself. Okay, well, the reason that

1645
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:35.159
you have a bone marrow is that is what makes

1646
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your blood cells. So the fact that you can get

1647
01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:40.159
a cancer in that marrow is really sometimes can be

1648
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unfortunate and unfortunate. That's the reason why sometimes multiple maloma

1649
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.399
may not have some of the more distinct symptoms or

1650
01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:50.439
lumps or bumps that you can feel with other cancers. Well,

1651
01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:53.319
the thing is is that because of the difficult nature

1652
01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.680
of the disease, we for a long time didn't have

1653
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:59.680
very good options. We didn't have really good treatment plan

1654
01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:02.800
for patients with this disease. But recently, what we've been

1655
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:04.920
able to do is we've been used what they call

1656
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.560
CART cell therapy, which is a new and innovative way

1657
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:12.319
to kill cancer. What happens with CART is that we

1658
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:15.159
use the body's immune system to be able to fight

1659
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:18.199
off cancer. All Right, when you think about immune system, Bill,

1660
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.399
you might think about fighting off you know, an infection, Well,

1661
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:23.720
what if we can use that same immune system now

1662
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.399
fight off your cancer. And so we've seen some great

1663
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.359
results and we just wanted to tell people about car VICTI,

1664
01:28:29.439 --> 01:28:31.800
which is one of the options for people when it

1665
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.960
comes to cart cell therapy for multiple maloma.

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01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.760
What a great story here, doctor Blue. Now, how can

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01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.800
patients be better advocates for their care and work with

1668
01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:43.760
their healthcare professionals to decide on the treatment that's best

1669
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:44.199
for them.

1670
01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:46.680
Yeah, you know, that's a great question. The one thing

1671
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:48.600
that I would say is that this is about a

1672
01:28:48.680 --> 01:28:52.399
relationship with your doctor. This is about you getting the information.

1673
01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:54.239
So what I always tell people to do, it is

1674
01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:56.279
really important to talk to your doctor and say, hey,

1675
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.199
I heard on the Bill Martinez Show about this new therapy.

1676
01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:01.720
Isn't that the right thing for me? It might be

1677
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:04.159
or it might not be, But that's where a discussion

1678
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:06.279
comes in with your provider, or if you just want

1679
01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:08.279
to read about it, go to carvicti dot com. But

1680
01:29:08.359 --> 01:29:11.199
those would be ways that you educate yourself as well

1681
01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:13.199
as ask your doctor is it a right fit?

1682
01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:16.279
Well? What about key barriers? You know, we kind of

1683
01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:20.239
alluded to that in the introduction that prevent earlier diagnosis

1684
01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:24.159
and access to innovative treatments for MM in diverse or

1685
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:25.520
minority communities.

1686
01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:28.239
Yeah, you know, one of the that's a great question.

1687
01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:31.159
One of the big things that unfortunately happens is is

1688
01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:34.560
that the symptoms of multi my loma could be, you know,

1689
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:37.840
back pain, So people will kind of downplay it and say, oh, well,

1690
01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.960
my back pain is due to pull muscle, or people say, oh,

1691
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:43.800
one of the symptom multi my loma is fatigue. Well,

1692
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:45.840
people say, wow, I don't have energy because I didn't

1693
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:48.199
sleep good last night. The whole time is because a

1694
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:51.560
cancer is unfortunately brewing inside of their body. So that's

1695
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:53.079
why I think it's important for people to have what

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01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:55.520
they call a primary care doctor so that they can

1697
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.760
have a relationship with them and say, hey, I feel different.

1698
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:01.119
Something is off with in my I don't know what

1699
01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:03.359
it is. But then that's where the doctor can take

1700
01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:05.880
it from there and say, hey, let's check you for

1701
01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:08.079
this blood disease known as multiple maloma.

1702
01:30:09.000 --> 01:30:12.760
Well we want to talk to Tony. Now he's an MM survivor. Tony,

1703
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.920
you look like you're in pretty good shape. So probably

1704
01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.199
some of the things that doctor alluded to because you know,

1705
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:21.800
being athletic myself, you know, if I'm a little tired

1706
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:23.920
or things, I just write it off to maybe a

1707
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:27.199
bad night's sleep, and that sort of thing. Was that

1708
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:29.079
some of your thinking as well early on?

1709
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.800
Actually I won't say it was so much some of

1710
01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:37.399
my thinking early on, but whenever I first went to

1711
01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:43.159
the er to be because I wasn't feeling well and

1712
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.840
I had an unfortunate fall working with the client, and

1713
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:52.840
I realized in that moment after getting a X ray

1714
01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:55.439
there were no incidental findings there, and they just looked

1715
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:57.359
at me and was like, oh, you're a guy that

1716
01:30:57.479 --> 01:30:59.640
works out, and they sent me home with the script

1717
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.319
a muscle relaxers, and so I was kind.

1718
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:03.760
Of ignored in that moment.

1719
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:07.359
So but I was just very diligent, and you know,

1720
01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:11.319
after that fall working with the client, I followed up

1721
01:31:11.319 --> 01:31:16.399
with another with a neurosurgeon who ordered an MRI which

1722
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:20.880
revealed multiple fractures in a serious back injury injury where

1723
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:25.279
I ended back up in the er again and was

1724
01:31:25.640 --> 01:31:29.000
close to being discharged without answers until I had someone

1725
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.720
special and close to me that stepped in and advocated

1726
01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:36.159
for additional testing where I finally got my high risk

1727
01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:40.880
multiple myeloma diagnosis back on September eighteenth of twenty thirteen

1728
01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:42.560
at the age of thirty nine.

1729
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.079
So, and that's when you connected with a psychologist.

1730
01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:52.479
Yes, that's after that diagnosis, I connected with my oncologist

1731
01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:56.840
who is a oncologist multiple myeloma specialists, just like doctor Blue,

1732
01:31:57.199 --> 01:32:01.560
and they did other testing that really verified everything.

1733
01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:03.680
But you want to so.

1734
01:32:03.760 --> 01:32:08.000
The community can and everyone can be diagnosed early on

1735
01:32:08.199 --> 01:32:11.680
through a primary care physician and through multiple tests and

1736
01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:15.479
different testing. I want individuals to know in patients that

1737
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:18.720
I don't want them to end up in the emergency

1738
01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:22.239
room or in a critical condition that I was in

1739
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:25.479
where I had multiple spine of fractories and I was

1740
01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:29.359
in kidney failure and anemia, you know, for I was diagnosed.

1741
01:32:30.640 --> 01:32:32.439
So you didn't do things simple. I mean you just

1742
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:34.880
had to do it in a dramatic story of way, right, Joni.

1743
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:36.720
It seems that way absolutely.

1744
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:41.920
So from a patient perspective, you gave a little bit

1745
01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:43.439
of advice, But I want you to wrap that a

1746
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:47.079
little bit more. What would you say to patients you

1747
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:51.119
know that maybe faced with this with MM.

1748
01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:56.720
Yeah, I think you know, I would give that I

1749
01:32:57.079 --> 01:33:02.319
think a message from me to patients would be a

1750
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:05.960
relapse can feel discouraging or if you're going through this.

1751
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:08.680
And I've been there, but it's not the end of

1752
01:33:08.720 --> 01:33:09.079
the role.

1753
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:15.359
There are more options today than ever before, and new

1754
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:17.000
treatments continue to evolve.

1755
01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:20.520
My message is simple, don't lose hope.

1756
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:25.319
Stay encouraged in your care, have honest conversations with your doctor,

1757
01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:30.520
and keep advocating for yourself. Every step forward matters, and

1758
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:35.159
there is still so much possibility ahead.

1759
01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:38.000
Yeah, doctor Blue, I want to bring you back because

1760
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:41.920
Tony mentioned a relapse with MM. Explain to our audience

1761
01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:43.159
a little bit about that if you would.

1762
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:47.079
Yeah. So, Unfortunately, as of right now, multipart loma is

1763
01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:50.359
not necessarily a curable disease, all right, which means that

1764
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.800
you will have this disease for your lifetime. The issue

1765
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:56.880
is that we want to change that, right, and so

1766
01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:59.920
until that happens, what happens is that your disease goes

1767
01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:03.000
into remission or it gets under control, but then unfortunately

1768
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:05.560
the cancer grows again is what we call relapses. And

1769
01:34:05.640 --> 01:34:08.479
so what we know is that we have great options

1770
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:11.119
so that even if your cancer were to grow again,

1771
01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:12.880
that we can get it right back down. Or at

1772
01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:16.760
least try our best. And so because the more options

1773
01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:19.000
that you have, the better chances it will be to

1774
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:21.560
get your cancer back into a remission so the cancer

1775
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:23.760
can basically go back to sleep. And that's that's my

1776
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.159
job as an oncologist to do my best to put

1777
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:27.279
that cancer back to sleep.

1778
01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:31.479
Well, God bless you for doing that, Tony. You know

1779
01:34:31.680 --> 01:34:36.159
we talked about advocating, you know for yourself. Explain to

1780
01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:40.279
our audience what that looks like and how you would

1781
01:34:40.840 --> 01:34:44.560
recommend that patients be. You know, as we've always said,

1782
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:46.520
patients are their best advocates.

1783
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:53.520
Right, Yes, absolutely, I think first, know your vorce matters.

1784
01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:56.159
No one knows your body.

1785
01:34:55.840 --> 01:34:59.600
And your experience better than your j Don't be afraid

1786
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:04.279
to ask questions. No question is too small. If something

1787
01:35:04.640 --> 01:35:08.520
doesn't feel right, speak up. If you need clarity, ask

1788
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:13.000
for it, and if you feel unheard, it's okay to

1789
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:18.760
seek another opinion. Also, be intentional about where you get

1790
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:23.319
your information. I always tell people to stay off doctor

1791
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:29.880
Google and instead rely on trusted sources and your care team.

1792
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:36.399
Advocacy isn't about having all the answers. It's about being engaged,

1793
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:41.079
in formed, and in confident enough to be a part

1794
01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:46.159
of the conversation. Now that car Victi is available as

1795
01:35:46.640 --> 01:35:50.239
early as first relapse, I want to make sure other

1796
01:35:50.279 --> 01:35:53.800
patients know their options, which may include this treatment.

1797
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:57.760
Well, Tony is a committed advocate within the MM community,

1798
01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:00.159
and Tony, thank you for your time. Doctor Brandon Blew

1799
01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:02.640
and assistant member and clinical instructor in the Department of

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01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:07.520
Malignant Hermatology at Muffett's Cancer Center in Tampa, Florida. Doctor Blue,

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01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:09.840
We're grateful for your time as well. As we wrap

1802
01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:12.760
things up, tell everybody where they can go for more information,

1803
01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:13.960
if you would, Doctor Blue.

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Yeah, so, I think the best thing for people to

1805
01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:19.159
do is to talk to their doctor right to if

1806
01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:22.439
it's not your doctor, your family member's doctor, or what

1807
01:36:22.479 --> 01:36:24.279
you can do is just go to carvicti dot com

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get all the information so you can read about it

1809
01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:28.159
and being as formed as possible.

1810
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Well, thank you both of you so much, Stay well,

1811
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:33.920
and again, thank you on behalf of our audience for

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sharing your stories with us. Appreciate it. Take care you too.

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in celebration with the founders and the visionaries of America

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reads the Bible have had in mind. Is as a

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lead in to our celebration of our two hundred and

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fiftieth anniversary. Right Bunny Pounds, who's been on with us

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several times, she is the visionary and founding member of

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Christians Engaged, and it was her vision to do this

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as we celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of

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the United States of America, encouraging every America to rediscover

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our foundation. You've heard me often say on the show

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that we must return to first principles, and one of

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those key principles is the Word of God. The Word

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of God is what inspired the founding, not only the

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founding of America, but it really crystallized the vision of

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freedom that our freedoms were God given, not given to us.

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By a as a czar, a king, as Bill Federer

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has reported many times, but that you know, our freedoms

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come from God, and it really especially solidified itself, and

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it's depicted in this new movie, A Great Awakening, which

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tells the story of George Whitfield and Benjamin Franklin. If

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you hadn't had a chance to see it, I'm not

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sure if it's still in the theater right now, but

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I'm sure it'll be coming to streaming, and it is.

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I'm telling you it is worth the investment of time

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because it will help you realize again and appreciate the

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founding principles of this great country. But again, as I

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mentioned at the onset, at the very core of this

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is the Word of God. This is where we draw strength.

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This is where we go to and we understand that

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God loves you. He loves us in spite of our

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sins and failings, and He says to us constantly throughout

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this love letter called the Bible that is given to

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us that look at if you will just turn to me, okay,

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turn to me, turn away from your wicked ways, so

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to speak, you know your sin, and God will have mercy.

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He will forgive our sins, and he will, you know,

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give us the gift of grace and righteousness, and he

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will restore us and heal our land. Is what second

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Chronicle seven fourteen a bit of a translation there, so

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you can read it for yourself. But what I want

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to draw from right now is from the Book of Romans,

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and I'm going to pick up in the first chapter,

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starting with verse eighteen, God's wrath on unrighteousness says, for

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the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all

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ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who by their unrighteousness suppressed

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the truth. For what can be known about God is

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plain to them because God has shown it to them.

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For his invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and divine nature,

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have been clearly perceived ever since the creation of the

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world and the things that have been made. So they

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are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did

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not honor him as God or give thanks to Him.

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But they became feutile in their thinking. In their foolish

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chart were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools

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and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images

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resembling mortal man. And birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore,

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God gave them up in the lust of their hearts,

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to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

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because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie,

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and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator,

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who is blessed forever Amen. For this reason, God gave

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them up to dishonorable passions for their women exchanged natural

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relations for those that are contrary to nature. And the

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men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were

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consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts

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with men and receiving in themselves a due penalty for

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their error. And since they did not see to acknowledge God,

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God gave them up to a debased mind to do

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what ought not to be done. They were filled with

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all manner of unrighteousness, evil, coveteousness, malice. They're full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness,

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their gossip, slanders, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors

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of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though

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they know God's righteous decree, that those who practice such

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things deserve to die. They not only do them, but

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give approval to those who practice them. In chapter two,

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it continues, Therefore, you have no excuse, oh man, every

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one of you who judges, for in passing judgment on another,

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you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very

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same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly

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falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose,

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oh man, you who judge those who practice such things

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and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the

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judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches

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of His kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that

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God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance. But

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because of your heart and impenitent heart, you are storing

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up wrath for yourself. On the day of wrath, when

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God's righteous judgment will be revealed, he will render to

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each one according to his works. To those who, by

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patience and well doing, seek for glory and honor and immortality,

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he will give eternal life. But for those who are

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self seeking and do not obey the truth but obey

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on righteousness, there will be wrath and fury. There will

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be tribulation and distress for every human being who does

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evil the Jew first, also the Greek. But glory and

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honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first,

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and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. For

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all who have sinned without the law will also perish

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without the law. And all who have sinned under the

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law will be judged by the law. For it is

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not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God,

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but the doers of the law who will be justified.

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For when gentiles who do not have the law by

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nature do what the law requires, they are a law

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to themselves. Even though they do not have the law.

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They show that the work of the Law is written

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on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and

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their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them on that

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day when according to my Gospel, God judges the secrets

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of men by Christ Jesus. But if you call yourself

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a Jew and rely on the law and boasting God,

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and know His will and approve what is ex because

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you are instructed from the law, and if you are

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sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind,

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alike to those who are in darkness, an instructor of

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the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law

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the embodiment of knowledge and truth. You, then, who teach others,

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do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing?

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Do you steal? You who say that one must not

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commit adultery? Do you commit adultery? You have horror idols?

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Do you rob temples? You who boast in the law,

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dishonor God by breaking the law. For as it is written,

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the name of God is blasphemed among the gentiles because

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of you. For circumcision, indeed is a value if you

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obey the law. But if you break the law, your

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circumcision becomes uncircumcision. So if a man who is uncircumcised

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keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision

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be regarded as circumcision. Then he who is physically uncircumcised

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but keeps the law, will condemn you who have the

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written code and circumcision, but break the law. For no

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one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, Nor

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is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly,

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And circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the spirit,

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not by the letter. His praise is not from man

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but from God. Then what advantage has the Jew or

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what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way?

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To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles

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of God. What if some were unfaithful? Does serve faithlessness

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nullify the faithfulness of God? By no means? Let God

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be true though everyone were a liar, As it is

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written that you may be justified in words and prevail

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when you are judged. But if our unrighteousness serves to

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show the right oalceciousness of God, what shall we say

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that God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us? I

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speak in a human way by no means? For then

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how could God judge the world. But if through my lie,

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God's truth abounds to his glory, why am I still

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being condemned as a sinner? And why not do evil

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that good may come? As some people slanderously charge us

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with saying their condemnation is just? What then are we

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Jews any better off? No, not at all, For we

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have already charged that all both Jews and Greeks are

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under sin. As it is written, none is righteous, No

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not one. No one understands, no one seeks for God.

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All have turned aside. Together they have become worthless. No

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one does good, not even one. Their throat is an

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open grave. They use their tongues to deceive the venom

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of as is under their lips. Their mouth is full

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of curses in bitterness. Their feet are swift to shed blood.

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In their past are ruin and misery, and the way

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of peace they have not known. There is no fear

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of God before their eyes. America reads the Bible, and

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Bill Martinez is proud to be a part of the reading.

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And may you be blessed. May God bless you and

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keep you, May make His face shine upon you. It

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may be gracious unto you and give you peace.

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