Jan. 22, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 01 22 26

The Bill Martinez Show 01 22 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 01 22 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, everybody right now, about six minutes after top of

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the hour, Bill Martinez here along with the American Minute

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creator and author and speaker, the one and only Bill Fetterer. Hey,

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mister Bell, how we doing.

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Oh good, Great to be with you, Bill.

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Always good to have you here, Mother Teresa said Bill,

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and I quote, any country that accepts abortion is not

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teaching its people to love, but to use any violence

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to get what it wants. I mean, does that set

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the stage and the background to an America that we're

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seeing today? Bill?

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Yeah, I think that it has eroded a lot of morals.

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And when you see that, there's trends that happen in civilizations,

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and it's almost like we've separated from the Judeo Christian

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past because of things like abortion and all the gay

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and the trans issues. But now we're seeing an influx

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of Islam. And when you look at the fourteen hundred

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years of history that areas of the world that had

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been Christian have been taken over by it by Islam,

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and it's like a drive neutral reverse. You go from

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a Judaeo Christian past into a secular, free sex abortion present,

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and that just leads the door open for an Islamic future.

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So we see churches by the hundreds being empty and

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being purchased by Muslims, interned into mosques all across Europe.

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On sense on the dollar bill, they're buying out these churches.

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It's incredible. And the thing is, I just want to

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just rewind for just a second here when we talk

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about Christianity and moving away from Judaeo Christian principles, we've

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got to go to the source. The source is God himself.

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That's what we're moving away from. We're moving away from

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God himself that has laid all these building blocks down

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for a civilized society. Right.

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Yes, Deuteronomy twenty eight in the Bible has blessings and cursings.

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And if a nation hearkens to the voice of the Lord,

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they'll be the head, not the tail, above and not beneath.

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They'll be blessed, coming in, blessed coming out. If a

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nation does not hearken to the voice of the Lord,

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there'll be a debtor, and the stranger will come in

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amongst them. And rise up above them, and they will

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be the head, and you will be the tale. So

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how did God judge ancient Israel when they send He

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let the stranger come in, the Amlachie hit type bo

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by termite, philip parasite, all the mosquito, bites, all the eyes.

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And then they were judged, and then they repented, and

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then God raised up a deliverer, Joshua, Gideon, Samson, Jeptha.

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And so you look at the West.

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We're the most in debt nation in world history. I

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just read thirty seven excuse me, thirty nine trillion dollars

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in debt. It's getting to the place where all the

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income coming in from taxes is not going to even

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pay the interest.

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What are we doing.

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We're creating money out of nothing to buy our own debt.

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It's unsustainable. And so debt is judgment. And then you

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look at how else you have. In the Bible, Manassa

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was a wicked king and he was sacrificing children to Moloch.

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And the prophets come to him and tell them that

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you're doing the same thing that the Canaani that were

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here before Israel came in.

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We're doing God judged, Yes, yeah.

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There's nothing more unjust than killing an innocent baby that

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didn't do anything wrong. One time I was with Alan

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Keys and they were asking him this question, well, how

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can you be pro life but also for the death penalty,

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and he said easy, guilty versus innocent. He says that

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the guilty person has committed a crime. He's gone through

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a jury of the trial of his peers, and they've

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examined all the evidence, and they say that he's guilty

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of murder. Where that the innocent child didn't do anything wrong.

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Why would you give it the death penalty if it

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didn't do anything wrong. Anybody that knows that's unjust. And

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if God is silent when injustice goes on, he's giving

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consent to the sin in law. It's called the rule

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of tacit admission tacit, and it's in a wedding ceremony

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the pastor says, anyone president knows any reason this couple

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should not be joined together, Holy matrimonies, speak now or forever,

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hold your peace. Well, if you're at the wedding and

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you're holding your peace and you're silent, you're actually giving

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consent to the way.

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Your tacit agreement. Yes, exactly you know.

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Leviticus twenty says, any Israelite or foreigner who sacrifices a

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child the moloch as we put to death. If the

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members of the community close their eyes when that man

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sacrifices one of his children in bulk, I myself will

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set my face against him and his family and will

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cut them off from their people. All you have to

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do is close your eyes while your neighbor kills the kid,

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and you are cut off. You've given your approval, your

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tacit approval to the killing by being silent. And so

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the verse everyone has memorized is Leviticus nineteen eighteen. Love

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your neighbor as yourself. The verse immediately before it says,

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confront your neighbor directly, so you will not be held

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guilty for their sin. So they're loving each other, and

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they're confronting each other. It's like you love your kid.

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You love your kid, but every now and then you

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got to confront your kid. And so God Proverbs six,

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the Lord hates the shedding of innocent blood. So you

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got this king Manassa, and he.

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Is the.

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Son of Hezekiah, the good king Hezekiah. But Manassa is

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bad and he sacrificing and kids. The molok and the

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prophets come to him and says, you're doing the same

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thing that the people that were here before Israel came

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in were doing, and because they were doing it, I

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brought in Israel to judge them, and because you're doing it,

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I'm going.

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To drive you out. So the judgment was pronounced.

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Now, Manassa had a grandson named Josiah, and he was

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eight years old when he became the king. Teenager, he

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starts to seek the Lord early twenties. He tells him

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to clean out the temple that his granddad had trashed,

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and they find the Law of God, and they read

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it to this young king, and he rips his garments

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and repents and sends messengers to a prophetess in town

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named hold Up, the wife of the king's tailor, and

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she tells the messengers tell the man that sends you

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that judgments coming, but not during his lifetime because he repented.

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And so for the rest of the thirty one year

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reign of Josiah there's peace and prosperity, a big huge

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passover tarestimes out of my temples. Tells the levitt to

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go out and teach the law, there's a revival, and

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during that revival is pretty much when Daniel, Shadrach, Meshak

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and the Bendigo came to the faith.

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Right.

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But this idea is that.

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Judgment, the sin was committed, judgment was pronounced, but because

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they repentant, got put.

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Off the judgment.

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And you look at us in America and all the

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millions that we've killed, and that what's a just God

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to do. If he's silent, he's giving his consent, So

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judgment's coming. But if we repent, he can put it off.

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And then it's the next generation's turn to put it

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off for their generation. But at some point hit the fan,

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you know, the Book of Revelation. But you know, I

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think that if we repent, it's like a GPS. It

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can take the longer route to get to the destination,

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but if we don't repent, it'll take the shorter route.

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Right well, And historically when we read in the Old Testament,

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there were those times of repentance, just like you know

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with Jonah and Nineveh, and God gave them a hundred

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year reprieve. But us being humanoids and fallen, there's just

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something about our fallen nature that takes us back to sin,

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and you know, you think about it. I love in

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the Old Testament when God speaks to the people because

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they're saying, well, they were sacrificing, they were justifying the

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sacrificing of their children to God. And God says, I

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never who came up with in essence, who came up

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with this idea? I never would never ever think of

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having you sacrifice your children as an offering to me,

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right right, And there's no argument about that. But you know, again,

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in our own silliness and humanity, we come up with

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the you know, religion and the ways to worship God

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according to our own eyes. Got to go to quick break.

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Bill Martinez here with Bill Fetterer about nineteen minutes after

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it and you'll be blessed every day. Bill. You know,

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I always look forward to getting you know, his his

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topics and and the most recent one of course, because

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we are in this really hallowed month of January. I

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say hallowed in as much as that it is about

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sanctity of life. To get us to pause and really recommit,

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I think this is a time to hit the reset button,

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Bill and repent and and really think, you know, like

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you said in ever since Roe v. Wade, even before then,

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before Scotis had decided to make abortion legal, you know,

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we've totaled now over one hundred million babies that have

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been murdered in our country alone. Bill, And this is

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not even of course, these numbers are hard to really

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hard to estimate because they don't want us to know

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the truth. The people the abortion industry wants to just

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you know, get by, tell us, hey, it's okay. You know,

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we're providing you know, needed services to women. Don't look

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over there at that number about how many people are

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being you know, how many young people are being murdered

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in their mother's womb on a daily basis. You know,

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that's irrelevant, you know, because we're doing mammograms and we're

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checking you know, women's health and that's most important, right.

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Well, yeah, and the researchers have shown that their business

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is abortion. Yeah, that's it. And they make money off

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of killing babies. You know, it's bad enough, but we're

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financing it. The budget last year that they passed. At first,

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they wanted to defund Planned Parenthood. The negotiations, it got

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down to defund Plant Apparent for just one year, which

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happens to be five hundred million dollars that were giving

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taxpayer money to kill babies. And when a judge all

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the different liberal organization sued.

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Guess what.

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The judge decided that we have to fund it even

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the one year, so we're not stopping the funding. So

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it's us as the taxpayers funding the killing of innocent babies.

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You know, years ago I met Norma McCorvey.

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Row of Roe v.

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Wade, and so she was working at an abortion clinic.

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She actually got pregnant and then the ACLU picked up

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the lawsuit and sued, but it wasn't settled, so she

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actually gave birth. So she never herself had an abortion,

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but she was working an abortion clinic and in that

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same building was Flip Benham and his pro life organization

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and his staff would just love on her and witness tour.

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And after several years of that lo and behold, she

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became a Christian and he baptized her. And then she

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realized what she did was wrong, and she came out publicly.

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Even on ABC's World News Tonight, after twenty three years

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after Rob Wade, she says, I think abortion is wrong.

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I think what I did with Rob Wade was wrong.

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The USA Today interviewed her and she said that when

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nobody was in that abortion clinics, I went into the

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procedure room laid down on the table trying to imagine

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what it would be like having an abortion. I broke

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down and cried. And then a friend of mine's, Alan Parker,

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with a Justice Foundation, and so he wrote a book

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reversing Rob Wade, and he's the one who brought the

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case that worked us all the way up to the

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Supreme Court, and they eventually decided the case in Dobbs

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versus Jackson that the federal government was going to be

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hands off. So that was great, but now it goes

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to the states and then you have big money groups

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pumping millions of dollars into states for their petition and

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amendment process, because in several states all you need is

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fifty one percent to have a constitutional amendment added to

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the state constitution. There's all this out of state money

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coming in and they get people that lie when they're

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collecting petitions, saying oh, this isn't going to you know,

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change anything, and they get people to sign it, They

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deliver all those signatures, they get it on the ballot,

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they do this big push.

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We were in Florida.

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We are in Florida, but they had all these commercial like,

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you know, if your daughter is rape, should she have

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to carry the rapist baby? And all these heart wrenching

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things to get people to vote a certain way on

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this amendment, which, oh.

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By the way, rape, according to Gunnamocker, is probably less

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than two percent, maybe one percent of the pregnancies that

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are involved. Yeah, so for a very rare exception, all

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of a sudden, you know, this opens up and negates

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ninety nine ninety eight percent of the babies out there.

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Yeah, and it's heart wrenching when you again you go

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back to the fact that why punish the baby, It

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didn't do anything wrong. What does it have to be

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punish the rapists? Give him the death penalty? But the

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baby's an innocent third person. Proverbs twenty four says, rescue

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those who are who are unjustly sentenced to death. Don't

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stand back and let them die. Don't try to disclaim

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responsibility by saying you didn't know about it. For God,

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who knows all hearts, knows yours, and he knows that

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you knew, and he will hold you accountable. And you know.

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The English contemporary English version of that says, don't fail

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to rescue those who are doomed to die. Don't say

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I didn't know it. There's even a an er V

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translation says, if you see someone on their way to

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death or in danger being killed, you must do something

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to save them. You cannot say it's none of my business.

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The Lord knows everything, and he knows why you do things.

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He watches you and will pay you back for what

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you do. So we can't say that, oh, that's somebody

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else doing it, and you know, I don't want to

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talk about it. It's like no, God, God knows your heart,

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and if you're silent, you're giving consent. And so we

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need to do what we can. And that's why we've

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had pro life organizations. Father Frank Pavone's a friend of mine,

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priests for life. He's been a courageous leader, and so

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we're called upon. There's a quote from George Mason, and

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he was one of the founding fathers that helped write

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the First Amendment, and he said this in seventeen eighty seven,

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as nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world,

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they must be in this by an inevitable chain of

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causes and effects. Providence punishes national sins with national calamities.

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Lincoln drew that connection chiseled and stone on the Lincoln

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Memorial in Washington, d c. Is his second inaugural address,

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and he said, if every drop of blood drawn by

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the bondsman's whip must be repaid by a drop of

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blood drawn by the sword, let it be said the

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judgments of the Lord are altogether true and righteous. Lincoln

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was connecting this sin of slavery with the judgment of

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the Civil War. Is anybody going to connect the sin

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of abortion with judgment on a nation? Financial is one

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of the judgments, like thirty seven trillion dollars worth of debt,

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But also the stranger comes in amongst you and rises

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up above you and they'll be the head and you'll

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be the tail. And so here are the news headlines

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of Somali Muslims coming in, millions of them during the

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Obama Biden years, and what are they doing? Filling out fraud?

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So we the taxpayer are paying them hundreds of billions

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of dollars were basically and it's interesting when you compare

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that when Muslims would conquer a country over the fourteen

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hundred year history, they would make the country they conquered

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into Dimi status, which means they have to pay taxes

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to support the Muslim conquerors. And so they view them

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having conquered us, and we're now demium. We have to

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pay our new conquerors. So they see no problem in

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US having to pay this fraud for daycare centers and

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for medical transportation vehicles which they just use his cars

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and adult data centers to take care of their parents.

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But their parents are healthy, but they get paid anyway.

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You know, they see no problem in US, as the

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coffer infidel, having to pay this.

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Exactly, well, Bill, we got to wrap things up. What

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do we do? Bill?

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Well repent In Jeremiah eighteen, it says, if I pronounce

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judgment on a country and they repent, I'll change my mind.

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It's like if you have a magnet and it's attracting judgment.

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If you flip the magnet, it'll repel the judgment. And

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so we need to repent. Cain's killed his brother Abel,

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and God told Caine, your brother's blood cries out to

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me from the ground, what.

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Was it crying?

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An injustice was done.

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You're a just God. You have to judge the that

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did it.

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Otherwise you're giving your consent. So if one person ables

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blood cries out, think of the one hundred million that's

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crying out. So we need to repent. And I do

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believe that God is a loving, merciful God, and if

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we repent, it'll give us time, just like he did

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with ancient Israel.

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He the wording, ladson, gentleman, Yes, that's the call. God

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loves us. He loves you, and he wants us to

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be in communion with him, but he cannot commune with evil,

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and we must change and repent from our evil ways.

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And his promises are true and it's been consistent in

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time and memorium of human history. He is a forgiving God.

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Bill Fetter, thank you so much for being with us.

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He is the American Minute creator and national speaker and

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Well?

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to have you

496
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with us. Also great to have back with this Joshua Philip.

497
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Anytime we can get him in here. Always excited to

498
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have Joshua here from Epic Times the Investigative, renowned investigative reporter, Joshua,

499
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.279
good to have you with us. Happy New Year, my friend.

500
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.440
Yeah, always a pleasure in the happy new year and

501
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:02.079
interesting starts the new year.

502
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.720
Yeah you think, I mean we hit the ground running.

503
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.960
I mean you were just getting over a hangover and

504
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.079
then all of a sudden, you know, Trump decides, okay,

505
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.799
it's time to turn the tables upside down.

506
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.960
Yeah. Well, you know, surprised if this is if this

507
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:18.079
isn't telling of anything what's to come. It's going to

508
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:19.240
be an interesting year.

509
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.640
Right, Yeah, Well, you know I think It's quite interesting

510
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.319
because where we are right now is you got seventy

511
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.359
seven million people who elected Donald Trump to do this

512
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:31.880
are elated. You've got a small number of media types

513
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:39.000
and democratic apparatic operatives that are just absolutely losing their mind.

514
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.240
And it defies common sense. I mean when it comes

515
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.880
down to it, I mean, here's a dictator who is

516
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.960
really has become a drug cartel in and of himself,

517
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.720
killing hundreds of thousands of our young people every year.

518
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.960
And somehow that's a problem to go in and you know,

519
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.200
fulfill an indictment.

520
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:03.440
Right well, not only that, not only is Maduro, you know,

521
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.559
a tyrant. Not only was he killing and suppressing his

522
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:11.079
own citizens. Not only did he, along with Chavez before him,

523
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.079
destroy one of the top economies in the entire world

524
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.400
and turn into one of the poorest countries in the

525
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.400
entire world. Not only did he do all that, but

526
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.759
not only was he facilitating drug trade, not only was

527
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.119
he bringing in Chinese and Russian influence all throughout Latin America.

528
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:32.079
But the Biden administration also acknowledged this. The Biden administration

529
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.279
was also talking about regime change. The Biden administration put

530
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:41.559
a twenty five million dollar bounty on Maduro's head, and

531
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.839
Republicans and Democrats both were in support of it. This

532
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.480
was a bipartisan issue. Even the restoration of the Monroe

533
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:55.400
Doctrine was passed overwhelmingly bipartisan. Just recently in the National

534
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.920
Security Act, Republicans and Democrats voted on it and overwhelming

535
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:04.799
approved it, including all the proposed operations throughout Latin America. So,

536
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.799
whether it's the overthrow of Maduro, whether it's regime change,

537
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.240
whether it is the restoration of the Monroe Doctor and

538
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.799
the pushing out of China and Russia from Latin America,

539
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.039
all of this was bipartisan. You're watching, You're watching a

540
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.519
lot of smoke and mirrors right now with the you know,

541
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:21.599
fake out cry.

542
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.839
I'd say, so, why is it a problem now?

543
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.079
Well, it's a problem now because Trump did it, not Biden, right.

544
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.319
Number one, exactly. Yeah. I think the other thing is

545
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:37.000
is you got some Democratic operatives who realized that maybe

546
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:40.079
they're cash cows over because you know as well as

547
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:44.359
I do, Joshua, this stuff wasn't happening all these years

548
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:49.400
without a quid pro quo kind of you know, payback operation.

549
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:55.240
Well, and the horrible reality is we actually almost got

550
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.680
pulled into a full scale war. Okay, let's talk about

551
00:31:58.720 --> 00:32:01.720
what could have happened. Okay, let's say Trump does not

552
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:04.880
go in and capture Maduro. What was going to happen,

553
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:10.039
Let's talk about it. Maduro was about to invade Guyana,

554
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.119
just north of them, actually just just a couple months

555
00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.559
before they blew up, before the Trump adminstration blew up.

556
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.759
The first drug boat coming from Venezuela just a couple

557
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:24.279
months before that. Basically, what happened is this Venezuela under

558
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:28.960
Maduro claimed they have historical ownership over all of the

559
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.640
oil rights in regions of Guyana. Guyana is a very

560
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.519
small country just north of them, and basically they found

561
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.759
one of the largest oil reserves in the entire world

562
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.559
several years back. Every country wants it now. A lot

563
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.200
of that's a lot of that is legitimate oil exploration.

564
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.519
Eggs on mobile, you know, when people say, well Trump

565
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.680
did this role, We're already present there. Eggs on mobile

566
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:54.920
is there. We're already doing a lot of the oil explorations.

567
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.599
We're already doing it. Maduro claimed he owned it, just

568
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.720
like Trump is now saying, well, no, we on your stuff.

569
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.680
Maduro did that to the United States, the international courts

570
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.279
were blocking, we're blocking him from doing it. Maduro then

571
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:11.119
went in his own legal system and claimed they passed

572
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.680
it in their own legal system, saying that he has

573
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.839
the authority to defy the international legal systems and to

574
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:21.759
literally invade another country and steal its oil. And then

575
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.720
Marco and then they were going to do it with Brazil.

576
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.599
They moved there at the time when they started blonging

577
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.599
with these boats, they had already moved their entire military

578
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.279
to the border, and they had already started live fire exercises,

579
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.160
and they moved their navy right next to all the

580
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.160
oil platforms, including those of Eggs on mobile and so

581
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.440
actually Secretary of State Marko Rubio went down there and

582
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:44.200
actually challenged him. He said, look, if you keep doing

583
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.960
this is going to be bad news for you. They

584
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.960
had they done this, and I was in Panama doing

585
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.640
investigative work just a couple of years ago. I was

586
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.359
looking into the border crisis, especially the Darien gap. Everybody

587
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:58.920
was talking about it because they were preparing. They were

588
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:02.799
preparing because they said, but if Venezuela invades Guyana, America

589
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.759
will be forced to intervene, because again we have a

590
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.519
lot of oil rights there. It would have been our

591
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.119
territory too, and we would have been pulled into a

592
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.960
full scale regional war jungle warfare like Vietnam in Latin America,

593
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.400
and that would have caused a migration crisis. Brazil would

594
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.920
have been involved, Colombia would have been involved. You would

595
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.960
have had a massive migrant influx going up through the

596
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.079
Darien Gap coming into the United States and it would

597
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.559
have massively destabilized US. And so Trump Trump pulling this

598
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.000
Trump card out, you know, pun intended and just capturing

599
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:39.000
Maduro probably avoided a large scale regional war.

600
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.880
Are you surprised that this was so underreported? I mean

601
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.280
you reported on it, but I mean how could you

602
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.320
ignore something like this. I mean this is like deja vu.

603
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.400
Let's say Russia and Ukraine all over again, right, I

604
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.440
mean when you have forces mounting up in the border

605
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:57.719
and you think, oh, maybe they're just there to you know,

606
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.519
burn up some some moors and have a hot dog

607
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.239
roast and stuff like that. Oh no, all this military

608
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.920
uh you know, supply chain that's coming into play. What

609
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:06.320
did you think was going to happen there?

610
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:10.679
Yeah, Well on the other side too, the Chinese Communist

611
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.639
Party was planning on supporting Venezuela through internal production. They

612
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:17.880
were actually saying, Okay, well, we can't send you armaments,

613
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.880
but we're going to use your factories and we're going

614
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:25.880
to produce Chinese military arms in your factories, including hypersonic missiles.

615
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:28.679
They would have had the capability to target and possibly

616
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.159
destroy American warships. They were on track to doing that.

617
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:33.519
They were currently This.

618
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:35.679
Is and this is all validated, right, Josh, I mean

619
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.679
we're not just this is this is a conspiracy here, right.

620
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.360
This is public public. They were, they were already doing this.

621
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.960
Had we had we given them maybe three months roughly,

622
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.280
they would have had some of that product production underway. Uh,

623
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.679
they would have all you had. You literally had a

624
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.280
Chinese delegation there when Trump when Trump abducted Maduro, I wonder,

625
00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.639
I wonder if you did it in front of him,

626
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.639
to be honest, but but you had a Chinese delegation

627
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.320
there talking to them about this stuff. When when that happened,

628
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:09.039
and so Trump just pulled out, you know, saying no

629
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.280
plans off the table. Uh you know, here's a one

630
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.840
way ticket to New York and uh, you know, game

631
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.039
game over. That That was how he did it.

632
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:21.440
Wow. And uh and the way in which it was done, Uh,

633
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.199
it demonstrated Uh. I mean the geopolitical impact of that

634
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.760
action has just been phenomenal, has it not. I mean,

635
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.800
it really says a lot to our adversaries and even

636
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.079
our allies to say, hey, you know what, these guys

637
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.000
can kick butt. They're serious. Maybe we better be careful here.

638
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.199
Well, you know. And that's the new doctrine of the

639
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.880
US Department Defense, or now they call it the Department

640
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.159
of War War, right, is we're not playing games anymore.

641
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.320
The American military is unbelievably capable. We we can we

642
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.840
can destroy our enemies so hard that literally the concern

643
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.119
of Congress is not that we're going to lose, the

644
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.840
concern of Congress is that we're we're too mean when

645
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:06.119
we go to war. They say that American troops can't

646
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.920
shoot unless shot at first. They say American troops can't

647
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:11.840
do their job. They say American troops can't return fire

648
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.320
and mortar positions until you call it in and get permission,

649
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.760
until they move the mortars and we hit blank spots.

650
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.800
Our guys have been fighting with one arm tied behind

651
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.199
their backs because we're so effective at what we do,

652
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.840
and we have the capabilities to do leadership to capitation

653
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.480
just like you just watched. We have the capabilities to

654
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.360
avoid full scale wars of just going after the soft

655
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.119
spots and blowing it up in one shot. We America

656
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.119
right now is demonstrated. Look, we don't even have to

657
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.199
go to war with you. We can destroy you economically

658
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.480
like we're doing to Cuba right now. We can destroy

659
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.920
you through economics and influence like we're doing to Iran

660
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.719
right now. And basically Trump is saying, we're gonna stop

661
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:52.840
playing these little games. We're not gonna get pulled into

662
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.280
full scale wars so the you know, military industrial complex

663
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.760
can make money off it. We're just gonna do what

664
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.679
we want. We're gonna go and there, get rid of

665
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.559
our enemies, and then we'll play ball afterwards. We'll make

666
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:05.679
deals with you, but we're not going to play these

667
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:06.519
games anymore.

668
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.840
Well, that's what war does, and that's what war generals do.

669
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.920
You know. I think we got into some bad habits

670
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:17.280
because we let too many civilians run and execute a

671
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.960
war or a conflict call it in Vietnam, and some

672
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.639
of those are still, you know, in the system. Although

673
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.119
Hexseth has moved very quickly to clean it out right.

674
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:27.760
Oh absolutely.

675
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:28.079
You know.

676
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.519
My grandpa's a Vietnam War veteran. He's told me a

677
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:31.480
lot of stories with it.

678
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:34.159
I'll tell you what before we get there, I want

679
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.280
you to tell the story. Well, we got to go

680
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to quick break. Let's pick it up on the other side.

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Hey, welcome back, fil Martinez here with Joshua Film from

756
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Epic Times, the Investigative Reporter. Right before break, you started

757
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to talk about your grandfather being a Vietnam vet. I

758
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.000
was a Vietnam Eravet served in the Marine Corps as well,

759
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.000
and so I thank your grandfather for his service. But

760
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what did he tell you?

761
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:07.679
Well, you know, he came back from Vietnam watching his

762
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.760
buddies die in front of him, having to fight a

763
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.280
war that he thought was you know, we had the

764
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.840
support of the American people and a bunch of hippies

765
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.719
through dog poop at him. And he never let that go. Yeah,

766
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.000
he was. He and others like yourself were demonized by

767
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.719
the public, demonized by the media. You had these puppeteer

768
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.199
you know, puppet puppeteer journalists going to the Soviet Union

769
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.280
writting glowing pieces about communism, demonizing American troops as we

770
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.079
were fighting and dying to try to stop them from

771
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:40.519
falling into Communist tyranny, which they did, and just atrocities

772
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.239
committed against them afterwards. You know, look a look at

773
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.800
what happened with the boat people fleeing that country, American

774
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.920
American Americans, yeah, or the killing fields were you know,

775
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.599
roughly a third of Cambodia was killed off by their

776
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:56.239
dirty communist government, right, just disgusting stuff. And and for

777
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.639
some reason, American troops being demonized going in and fighting

778
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.000
the people committing atrocities in every part of the world

779
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:06.599
at the time, are the bad guys. When China and

780
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:11.920
Russia collectively, right in the Soviet Union collectively killed, you know,

781
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.480
Mao Zadong alone seventy to one hundred million people killed,

782
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.960
and they want to talk about the Americans being the

783
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.400
bad guys. Give me a break. And so what happened

784
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.400
in Congress was they were making it so American troops

785
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.760
could not return fire unless shot at first. An a

786
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.079
war that depended on ambush. They were making it so

787
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.480
that guys, you know, you have the Viet Cong go

788
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.199
and launch mortar strikes, you'd have to call on permission

789
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to fire back. The Viet Cong knew the game, and

790
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they just moved the mortars before the call permission came in.

791
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:44.920
And the same thing was done to our guys in Afghanistan.

792
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.079
The same thing was done to our guys in Iraq,

793
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.559
and for some reason this became the modus operandi of

794
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.800
how we do war. The American troops had everything working

795
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.960
against them. The American soldier had everything trying to stop

796
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:02.199
them from effectively fighting. And it's incredible we've been effective

797
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.599
as we have as a country despite all of that.

798
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.280
And what you're watching now is that hand that's been

799
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.599
tied behind their backs is now untied, and you're watching

800
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:14.239
now the full capabilities of the American war machine. Well,

801
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:15.280
I think incredible.

802
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:19.280
I think the retitling of the War Department is huge.

803
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.360
I mean, now, now, like you said, you're taking off

804
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:27.039
the handcuffs, you're letting these I've always maintained, Josh, from

805
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.880
my experience during the Vietnam era, and I served not

806
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in Vietnam. I served out of country, but I was

807
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in public relations, so I.

808
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.119
Saw hardly that was that was that was a mean

809
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:40.079
bush too.

810
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.960
Right, Well, but even still, you know, the thing is

811
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.559
the things that I saw and the stories you know,

812
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.760
just like you're hearing from your grandfather and and even

813
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.960
even today, I mean, because the veterans of Vietnam are

814
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.960
and I think the veterans of any war are reluctant

815
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.440
to talk about the ugliness of war because it reduces

816
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.119
our humanity to its lowest common denominator. It is, it

817
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:04.639
is brutal. But the fact of the matter is is

818
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:06.440
when you get to that point and you're going to war.

819
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:09.480
It is life and death. It's a clear binary choice,

820
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.519
and you've got to unleash the hounds and do what

821
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.559
you have to do, go break things up. Sadly you're

822
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.719
going to kill some people along the way, but you've

823
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.559
got to get the powers to be back at the

824
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.840
bargaining table where you can negotiate these things out. And unfortunately,

825
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.000
when it gets down to that situation, like where it

826
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.039
stands right now in Ukraine and Russia, it you know,

827
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:30.679
that's where they're at. And this is why you got

828
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.880
an impasse is because the rules of engagement have been

829
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.199
compromised in such a way. And I understand Donald Trump's

830
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.840
trying to navigate and negotiate something very very sensitive. I

831
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.559
get that, but I think that it's inevitable that he's

832
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:44.079
going to have to tear the band aid off the

833
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.119
wound and just go for it.

834
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.239
Well, and the reality is this, you know, war is

835
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.920
not pretty. You know, international issues like this are not pretty.

836
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.360
Going in and capturing a foreign leader who leads a

837
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.000
cartel is not pretty. But look, they were killing seven

838
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.960
to one hundred million Americans every single year with drugs.

839
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.800
More Americans are being you mean one hundred thousand, one.

840
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.960
Hundred thousand, sorry undred thousand more Americans are being killed

841
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.280
every single year than literally the entire Vietnam War exactly,

842
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.559
And and and and is that a greater crime than

843
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.360
killing a few Communist leaders who are working with our

844
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.000
adversaries knowingly killing Americans, dancing around making a show of it,

845
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:34.000
spreading influence through corruption, killing government officials, brutalizing their people.

846
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.960
Are we the bad guys here? Or are they? And

847
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.559
at some point we need to ask what defines righteousness?

848
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.199
What defines righteous fury? If we just sit by and

849
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.199
let that happen, is that good of us? Or is

850
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.920
it good of us to go in there and grab

851
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:49.800
the guy and bring them here and say you stand

852
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.000
before trial and you basically have to face up to

853
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.679
everything you did. What is the righteous decision here? And

854
00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.760
I believe that American, the American power system, the American

855
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.400
you know idea, is a righteous system. You could argue

856
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.519
even you'd agree with everything. It's the best option the

857
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:07.920
world has right now.

858
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.239
Right But the thing is you have to ferret out

859
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:15.000
the unrighteousness. You are able to see what was happening

860
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.920
in Venezuela, that was clear, But what about the unrighteousness

861
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.360
that leaked into America, that leaked into the bureaucracy and

862
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.079
through the political process. And I think that's what's making

863
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.400
some people very nervous is as we're starting to realize,

864
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.119
I mean, we're going through an era of revelation in

865
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.199
twenty twenty six that I think is I think it

866
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.480
bodes well for the future of this country. If we're

867
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.000
going to realize a golden age, We've got to get

868
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:41.800
down to the truth of it all, don't we. In

869
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.360
all matters whether you know whatever we're talking about in

870
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.679
Minneapolis or you know, in the West coast in California.

871
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.119
I mean, go right on down the line. This crony

872
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.920
politics that has been going on and this fraud that

873
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.400
has been going on that Elon Musk said, you know

874
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.840
easily is a trillion dollars worth of fraud. I've spoken

875
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:03.199
with several economists, top notch economists, I says, tell me

876
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.599
that the thirty eight trillion dollars in debt that we

877
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:09.400
are in right now, tell me that it all has

878
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.360
not been tied to vote getting in some form or fashion.

879
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.039
Right, Well, you know that that ties into another picture,

880
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.280
because we can be patriots, We can love our country,

881
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.320
and we can also acknowledge the things we don't like. Corruption,

882
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:25.320
you know, this kind of political you know ice scratch

883
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.960
year back, you scratch mind type thing, the fraud being committed.

884
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.960
Americans are enraged with this and they're done with it.

885
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:34.559
I think that's also what we're doing right now, is

886
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.599
we're voting. You know, basically, we're you say, voting with

887
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.920
our pocketbooks, and we're voting at the polls. The American

888
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.239
people want this whole thing weeded out. We want that

889
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.440
whole system gone, and we're mad about it. And so

890
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.840
I do think got to have free and got trumpeto power,

891
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:50.280
you know.

892
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.840
Well exactly, but we've got to have free and fair elections.

893
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.679
And I think the other thing that's going to come out,

894
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:58.440
you know, in your article you talk about the Venezuela iceberg,

895
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:00.920
and we're we're just seeing what's on top. And I

896
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:04.159
think what's gonna happen is this is that we know

897
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.480
that all this voter fraud, you know, with the machines

898
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:11.719
and everything like that that came out of Chavez and Madua,

899
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.679
out of Venezuela. Ab to go back to Venezuela, because

900
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:18.639
back exactly Whela and to seventy countries right around the world.

901
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:23.280
They all bought into to these machines because they could

902
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.199
rig They could rig elections. And what's gonna happen. I

903
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.039
keep saying, there's gonna be some key thread we're gonna

904
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:32.400
yank on, and the curtain's gonna come down, and we're

905
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.599
gonna go okay, because there's lots of smoke and we're

906
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.199
just I think we're getting close to the fire here, Joshua.

907
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.800
Well, and on the point too, what is the main

908
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.920
narrative challenging Trump's legitimacy. It's that, oh, he tried overthrowing

909
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:50.159
democracy January sixth. The basis of that was voter fraud

910
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.760
and Trump calling for investigations into voter fraud. People say, well,

911
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.920
you know, it went to all these different courts, no evidence,

912
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.440
Not a single court looked at the evidence. That's what happened.

913
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.920
No evidence was ever looked at. So it's a completely false,

914
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.400
false argument. The few times where it was looked at,

915
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.679
it was verified that fraud did in fact take place.

916
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.840
This goes back to Venezuela, and to really open the books,

917
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.360
you need to go into Venezuela, and we were not

918
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.960
allowed to do that because of you know, Maduro blocking

919
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.320
us from investigating. It all goes back to Venezuela and

920
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.239
what's going to happen now? Trump is saying that Maduro

921
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.599
stole the election. Back in twenty eighteen, even Biden acknowledged

922
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.679
that Maduro stole the election. The United States recognizes the

923
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.159
official winner of the of the election, as you know,

924
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:41.960
the real government and power there. We're now installing them.

925
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.760
But what do you have to do to validate them?

926
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:45.880
You need to prove that they were valid. How do

927
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.559
you do that? You have to prove that Maduro stole

928
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.320
the election. How do you approve Maduro stole the election?

929
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.960
Get ready for some interesting times?

930
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.880
Yeah, exactly, Well how do you? And I understand the

931
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.280
way Trump is walking a tigewire here by installing or

932
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.280
allowing the vice president Delce to be installed as the president,

933
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:11.519
because I mean, what I'm hearing out of Venezuela is

934
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:16.400
that she's worse than Maduro. So she's a political animal though,

935
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:17.920
you know, yeah, go ahead.

936
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.079
In my opinion, this is I think this is where

937
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.599
Trump's thinking is. This is just my own personal take.

938
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:27.280
I think Trump understands something about Latin America. He understands

939
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:31.639
that they're all corrupt, every single government, not maybe not everything,

940
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.000
but most of them. If they don't work for the cartels,

941
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.280
they play ball with the cartels because the cartels control

942
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.440
Latin America. He understands that all of this is a

943
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:45.880
giant political game. China, Russia, Iran, Cuba are involved in

944
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.519
jerry mandering the whole thing. The cartels have corrupted the

945
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:53.639
entire system. The cartels work with the Chinese Communist Party

946
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:58.039
does the money laundering, supplies the precursors and the synthetic drugs,

947
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:01.440
and the entire thing is a giant political show meant

948
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:05.960
to destabilize the region, gain power over governments through the destabilization,

949
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.960
and poison and kill Americans. That's the game. And Trump

950
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.679
understands that. He knows you don't get into politics in

951
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.159
Latin America unless you're part of it. They kill you otherwise,

952
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.239
like happens over and over again in Mexico, they kill

953
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.960
you if you're not part of it. They're all part

954
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.079
of it. And he understands that, you know, America, going

955
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:26.800
in there and restoring order doesn't mean we have to

956
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.079
kill and overthrow every single leader who was working with them.

957
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:31.880
We just need to go in there and tell them, look,

958
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:35.239
the game is over, the business is closed, no more drugs.

959
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.519
We're going to kill the cartels. If you keep them going,

960
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.000
if you're part of it, you target on your head

961
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:43.760
to play ball with us, or you're done. And I

962
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.679
think that's the game being played right now.

963
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.679
Well, Delsea Rodriguez, I think she has read the tea

964
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.159
leaves and the season clearly is that she doesn't necessarily

965
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.719
want to be in a jail in New York, although

966
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.559
she's very indictable, if not already right.

967
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.920
They all are. They all are. And you could say,

968
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:02.199
in some ways that's the beauty of it. If you

969
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.440
remember back during the during the campaign, traill, what was

970
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.119
Trump talking about? Trump knows this. Trump said it publicly

971
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.559
when Trump was on the campaign Trill. He said he

972
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.639
was going to do everything he's doing right now. He

973
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.519
was going to use special forces to go and do

974
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.719
targeted strikes, his drones to bomb their ships and bomb

975
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.320
their factories. He was going to use the entire US

976
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.239
Navy to do a naval blockade. And he was going

977
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.920
to destroy the cartels using military intelligence, using every power

978
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:32.599
they had. And then he said something else. Any government official, anybody, business, anything,

979
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:37.719
who tries to stop us, we will expose your connections

980
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.639
to the cartels. What does that tell you? Trump knows

981
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:46.599
they're all connected to the cartels, and they know that

982
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.199
if they don't play ball with the United States, they're

983
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.559
going down with it exactly.

984
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:55.880
Well, twenty twenty six is going to be quite interesting.

985
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.239
As I said, it's that the veil is being pulled back,

986
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:02.320
the truth is rising, and in America needs to make

987
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.800
a decision. I think seventy seven million Americans have already

988
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.199
made a decision. But they can't just sit on their

989
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.559
couches and expect Trump to do it all by himself.

990
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.280
We've got the midterm elections coming up. It's important that

991
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.599
he'd be sent reinforcements so that we don't get into

992
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:18.320
a situation to where the Democrats take over power, and

993
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:22.119
they've already said it will be NonStop impeachment and talk

994
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.960
about stalling the government. We already went through thirty three

995
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.199
days of a government shutdown, right.

996
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.519
Right, and we might have another one. We'll have to

997
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:35.239
see on the point of elections too, America. Look, the

998
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.880
American system is not depending on some you know, king

999
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.480
from heaven coming to well maybe maybe eventually, but the

1000
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.159
American system is not about some you know, grand dictator

1001
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.400
or a leader to come rescue you from your hardships.

1002
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.880
The American system is not waiting for the king to

1003
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.639
come and make a decree to you know, build a

1004
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.440
bridge in your yard or something like that. The American

1005
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.199
system is about the average citizen being engaged in the

1006
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:01.440
political system. Civic engagement is our system because we, the

1007
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:04.159
American people, are the ones we're supposed to run the system.

1008
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.559
That is the system of government we had, and if

1009
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:11.000
we disengage, we lose it. Civic engagement is the backbone

1010
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.679
of the American idea, the backbone of what we stand for,

1011
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.159
the backbone of our democrat you know, democratic republic system,

1012
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:21.079
you know constitutional republic. It is the backbone of it.

1013
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.880
And if you disengage, you're changing the system. If you

1014
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.960
don't like it, run for office. If you don't like it,

1015
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.920
vote at least if you don't like it, Look, you

1016
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.199
need to become civically engaged because that is what our

1017
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:32.880
system is.

1018
00:56:33.719 --> 00:56:37.039
Well, that's the power behind we the people, and it's there,

1019
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.639
it's enshrined in our constitution. And more than that, it

1020
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.199
gives us the authority to be the boss of them, right.

1021
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:48.880
Yeah, Well, that's that's we're based on too, you know.

1022
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.599
You know, the biggest argument people have against the American

1023
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.920
system is G it's hard to do anything. G it's

1024
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.679
hard to change the laws. G it's hard. It's hard

1025
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.039
to maneuver because there's so many checks and balances, there's

1026
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:04.039
so many systems put in place to block you from

1027
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:08.920
doing anything. The Founding Fathers were a bunch of insurrectionists.

1028
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.960
There are a bunch of violent insurrectionists, and they didn't

1029
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.880
trust government, and so the system they gave us was

1030
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:18.760
one where the American people have a lot of power

1031
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.320
and we're frankly the powers that be do not. It's

1032
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:23.599
hard for them to do anything.

1033
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:27.840
Right. Well, they're almost like the Iatola right now, maybe

1034
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.679
shaking in their boots and thinking, gosh, if the Populace

1035
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.559
figures this out, I've got to find I've got to

1036
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.480
find a hotel in Russia to camp out in.

1037
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:40.679
I guess for a while, probably hardy. I'm surprised they're

1038
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:41.400
not there already.

1039
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:45.360
To be honest, no, I'm with you on it. But

1040
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.960
you know, Joshua, I'm very hopeful, and I know I

1041
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.920
hear that from you as well. And again look at

1042
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:54.719
the truth cannot be denied. And it's up to we

1043
00:57:54.880 --> 00:58:01.599
the people now to mount up reinforcements, to engage the bureaucrats,

1044
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:04.360
to engage our government to do the right thing, to

1045
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.239
do right by this being thirty eight trillion dollars in debt,

1046
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:13.360
allowing the wholesale corruption that has really institutionalized this bureaucracy.

1047
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.239
And this is the system, they always say. I mean,

1048
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:18.760
most people will admit and politicians will admit, well, the

1049
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.119
system's broken. Yeah, but what are you doing about it?

1050
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.840
But it's just so massive, Like you said, it's so

1051
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.360
pervasive that it's difficult. And I think it's like you're

1052
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.639
asking a brain surgeon to do brain surgery on themselves.

1053
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.760
It's just impossible. It's got to be an outside agency,

1054
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.679
which is we the people, have got to come in.

1055
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.480
We're fortunate to have Donald Trump to you know, break

1056
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:41.639
up some of the fallow ground right now, but we

1057
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.039
need to really start getting out the sledgehammers and really

1058
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.239
digging deep into all this corruption and fraud that's going on.

1059
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.800
Well, and that's also the course of empires. You know,

1060
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.320
typically within about two hundred years, all empires have to

1061
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:00.239
go through some kind of change. Sometimes it's collapse. Times

1062
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:04.800
it's complete change. Sometimes it's a restoration or a revival.

1063
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:09.119
And I think the big question is are the systems

1064
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.199
in place to reform something strong enough that the problems

1065
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.639
can be fixed through, let's say, without the use of

1066
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.280
a civil war or something like that. I believe that

1067
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:20.360
the founding fathers had had deep wisdom and how they

1068
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.519
set things up, because I do believe the left us

1069
00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.320
of the strong enough system where it can be fixed

1070
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.280
when things are broken. And I do believe that's also

1071
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.000
what the American people voted for. What did they vote for?

1072
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:34.519
They voted for draining the swamp. Right, that was the narrative,

1073
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.199
drain the swamp. The American people want the corruption cleaned out.

1074
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:40.800
We're not saying we're not saying our systems perfect, but

1075
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.840
we are saying our idea, the American ideas the best

1076
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.440
the world has. We want to save the idea and

1077
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:48.440
get rid of the problems. And I believe that's what

1078
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:49.199
they voted for.

1079
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.519
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I agree one hundred percent.

1080
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.519
Joshua Felt an award winning journalist and senior investigative reporter

1081
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.039
at The Epic Times. Joshua, thank you so much. Take care,

1082
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.440
Happy New Year, and my friends take care here.

1083
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:00.800
Thank you.

1084
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:03.159
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1099
01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:54.159
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1100
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.639
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1101
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.239
That's eight hundred four to three nine fifteen eighty eight.

1102
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:12.119
Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez, Live.

1103
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:14.920
Well glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here with

1104
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:18.239
John Hart from opening the books. It's time to you know,

1105
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.400
for the whole truth and nothing. But John Heart, what

1106
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.960
are he's saying?

1107
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:22.000
That's right?

1108
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.079
Yeah, you know, we'd like to focus on two things,

1109
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.320
truth and transparency. And I think I think this country,

1110
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:31.960
Bill is starving hungry for an evidence based, reality based conversation.

1111
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.239
And as I often say, is let's open the books

1112
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:38.239
together and find out what's true. Let's find out who's right.

1113
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.559
You know, bring your best argument, but we've got to

1114
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.480
agree about what is actually happening so we can make

1115
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.039
the citizens can make good decisions.

1116
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:48.880
But you know, we exist to empower citizens to hold

1117
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.519
government accountable because it's ultimately it's not it's not the

1118
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:54.719
government's money, it's our money, it's your money, and we

1119
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:57.320
need to we're trying to facilitate and encourage good, good

1120
01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:58.280
citizen engagement.

1121
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.039
Well exactly, it's great. I mean, this is the government

1122
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:02.760
of for by we the people. You take we the

1123
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:06.480
people out and you don't have you know, federalism, you

1124
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.679
don't have a government that reflects the constitution. A couple

1125
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:13.599
of years ago, John OTB said, we're on the brink

1126
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:17.519
of a transparency revolution, and that has been the case,

1127
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.159
I mean over particularly the last couple of years. I

1128
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.360
think certainly all the great work you guys have been

1129
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.960
doing for two decades plus now and Elon Musk coming

1130
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.719
on the scene, all the reveals that are happening. You know,

1131
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:34.119
you see what's going on in Minnesota, and you know

1132
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:39.480
everything that your gut has told you was could possibly be,

1133
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.039
it seems more and more that it's got to be

1134
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.960
a duck because it looks like, talks like and smells.

1135
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:49.079
Like right, that's right, yeah, yeah, and it's it's importantly

1136
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:50.679
you know, let's let's try to start out a hopeful though,

1137
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.599
because there's a lot you know, there's a lot of ways,

1138
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.719
there's a lot of fraud, there's a lot of inefficiency,

1139
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.840
and people are our right to be shocked at, outrage

1140
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.519
and angry. And I think that Unsettlements Bill is a

1141
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:03.519
good thing in your spirit to hold on to. And

1142
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.960
it's just how do we take that sense that something's

1143
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.920
not right and make sure that we make things as

1144
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.079
right as we can. And that's again, that's what we're

1145
01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:14.639
trying to do by making making the spending transparent. So

1146
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.280
but let's let's look back. So when you so twenty

1147
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.639
as we've talked about before, twenty years ago, Tom Coburn

1148
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:25.039
and Barack Obama very different senators. I was working for Coburn.

1149
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:27.559
You know, we worked together to put all federal spending

1150
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.320
online for the first time. And if we could put

1151
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:32.159
our brains in a world don't have to remember twenty

1152
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:35.159
years ago pretty clearly, the Google search engine was a

1153
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.840
big new thing, right. It was like, oh my gosh,

1154
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.320
all of a sudden, I grew up as a kid

1155
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.599
reading encyclopedias and just and just the fact that an

1156
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:48.239
encyclopedia could be online was mind blowing, exactly. And that's

1157
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:52.880
so that was early kind of Internet. And then we realized, gosh,

1158
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:56.039
if we could put government spending online, that will create

1159
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.400
an ecosystem of groups and individuals who will do better

1160
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.599
oversight than Congress. And that really has happened. So when

1161
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:06.239
you go online today, Bill and you look at it's

1162
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:08.239
not just open the books. You know, we're the flagship

1163
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:12.800
transparency organization. There are literally thousands of accounts on platforms

1164
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.400
like x that get all of their data from USA spending.

1165
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.960
So a lot of the debates we've had this year

1166
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:20.760
about oh my gosh, why is a grant going to

1167
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.599
this entity in California that's funding that's really creating a

1168
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:28.000
magnet for illegal immigration, or not spending housing money correctly,

1169
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.880
or Minnesota. You know, US is spending captures a lot,

1170
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:33.760
it doesn't capture all of it. We'll get we'll get

1171
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.079
to the gap. There's a lot of gaps. But and

1172
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:38.719
then we see what's happened since then. This year there

1173
01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:43.159
were real cuts. You know, we stopped subsidizing you know,

1174
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.440
PBS for instance. And I'm actually a big supporter of

1175
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:47.960
the arts. You know, I've got all my guitars.

1176
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:49.480
I love creating exactly.

1177
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:53.519
God created us to be creative people. But I happen

1178
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:55.920
to believe that I don't deserve a subsidy for my

1179
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.440
guitar collection. You know, I should be able to buy

1180
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.960
my own guitar. It's not your job to buy my guitars.

1181
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:04.960
It's my job, you know. And that's and that's and

1182
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.440
that's how we ought to think about creativity. So but

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that one issue in particular was the focus of oversight

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and transparency for years. And this I just the metaphor

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I use is transparency cuts through government like water cuts

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through stone. The flow can seem mundane and unremarkable, but

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when that flow of water finds a crack, it can

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wipe away mighty, mighty walls of opposition exactly. And that

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is how that's what the founders envisioned when they put

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transparency into the constitution. Transparency is a first principle of

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representative government and making sure that that that we the

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people are in the driver's seat, that we're the bus drivers.

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The center of gravity is with us. And that's a

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that's that's been been demonstrated, you know this year. But

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but but but needs to be needs to be strengthened.

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Well, it's step one is so first of all, you've

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got to identify the problem, right, And so if you're

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not transparent and you haven't identified the problem, then everything

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you like, all these politicians and even recently in the

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Hill we heard somebody that you would have thought would

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have been pretty smart. I mean she was a doctor

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and everything. You know, they talk in terms. Well, John,

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you really don't understand because there's a lot of nuance here. No, No,

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there's not nuance. It either it either is or it isn't.

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It's only nuance so that you can skirt accountability.

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Right, right, yeah, and that's and so let's talk about

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the Minnesota example for instance. That's great, it's a great

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so you know, most of you, if you haven't seen

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watched the nix s early video, watch it. And it's

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got millions of views and deservedly so it's a beautiful

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01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.800
example of citizen journalism and this kind of crowdsource oversight

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01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.679
that we've been talking about and facilitating for years. And

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01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.760
if you so we're trying to do is we're both

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we're adding to that investigation. So we're we've just published

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you can go our sub stack. You know, all of

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01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:10.519
the money flowing to daycares all over the country. Just

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we're starting with the ten most popular states. But when

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you think, when you when you read about the fact

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01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:20.480
checking of on Nick Shirley, there's very little substance. It's

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01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.920
all they're accusing him of being too political or his

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you know, his one of his sources ran for public office.

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He didn't disclose that and said, well I don't I

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don't care who ran for what office I care about?

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To your point, what is real? What is true? Are

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01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:38.039
these centers, the quote leering center, the learning the in

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01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:40.960
is that really or not? Are there kids involved are

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01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.800
is do they have anyone anyone actually using these programs

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or is it just a fraudulent scheme? And and I

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think in Minnesota a lot of it is pure fraud.

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01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:53.840
And so we're going to be following that up and

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01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.239
retracing his steps, but also looking all over the country

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and we're it's out. Courage all of your listener, go

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to our sub stack if you live in any of

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these big states. You know we've published lists. So go

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go knock on doors, go go call call the entituation would.

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Go do some citizen journalism, like like weon'll pay you,

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but we'll pay you as a contributor to to write

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01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:18.560
pieces and publish it.

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01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:22.199
And that's that's again, that's the beauty of what technology

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01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:23.960
can do. Is that is that there's we don't have

1241
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.000
to wait on the main court mainstream media to do

1242
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.359
it for us. We you know we can we can

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01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:31.640
do it ourselves. And your show is a part of that.

1244
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:35.600
Well, clearly the mainstream media has checked out, I mean, uh,

1245
01:08:35.800 --> 01:08:39.399
professional journalism at the level when you and I were

1246
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:43.840
growing up. Uh, it's lost its way. Uh and uh

1247
01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:48.520
it's really violating what our founding fathers expected out of

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01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.800
out of a free and independent press in terms of

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01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:54.159
holding our government accountable. I mean, they had to be

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01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:56.760
embarrassed that somebody like Nick Shirley can come out and

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expose something like this. And boy, I'll tell you did

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he hit the mother load because, like you said, when

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you pull that thread, you're saying, well, it's Minneapolis today,

1254
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But how many other states are running a similar scam?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, And I think and one of

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01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.119
the things that's really unfortunate about this the whole digital revolution,

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you know, and the dawn of the Internet is as

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significant as when the printing press came on six hundred

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01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.079
years ago. So it's a massive technological change. And we've

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01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.920
seen the decline of investigative journalism, not just nationally but locally.

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01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.319
That's one of the that's one of the great tragedies

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01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:37.640
really that we've seen unfold is that you don't have

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01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:39.840
the local newspaper, you don't have the local beat reporter

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01:09:40.479 --> 01:09:43.760
to who's able to go and work and beat Nick

1265
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.960
Shirley to the punch. And so part we're actually we're

1266
01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:50.680
actually working to reconstitute that too. There are other foundations,

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01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.000
other entities that are trying to revitalize and rebuild local

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journalism and sort of this non agenda based where let's

1269
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just get give people the facts, get people with the

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transparent information, and trust people to use their brain. Trust them.

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You don't have to them over the head or come

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with this. You have an extra grind. Just make the

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data available and trust the electorate to make good decisions

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about where they want their money going. But they've got

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You know we're talking with John Heart, the CEO of

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openbooks dot com, and you know kind of doing a

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review here a little bit and then we're going to

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talk about what's going forward and what we can expect

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in this coming year. But as we started out talking

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about this transparency revolution that's been taking place here and

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in this information age. So it's it's amazing, John, how

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all these tools are being utilized and how it really

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is empowering the people. And I think it's scaring that

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and rightfully show the traditional politicians who've been able to

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get away with this, because one of the big questions

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recently I've been posing to economists time and again is saying,

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here we are thirty eight trillion dollars in debt, how

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much of that debt is tied to voter fraud and

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uh and electioneering? And they said probably all of it.

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Yeah, yeah, Well well look it's yeah, there's there's an

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incredible amount of amount of fraud in the government. And

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you know, we've got to look at all all of

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our all of our systems, and so that's that's certainly

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one of them. And uh, you know, just to kind

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of to kind of close the loop on the on

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the Minnesota example, there are one are there are a

1392
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couple of things that really went wrong that are unique

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to Minnesota. That we don't want to see duplicated. One

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is that the Biden administration issued a ruling where they

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they tagged funding to quote enrollment numbers, not actual attendance.

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And so what that did is it incentivize people to

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just have fake enrollment numbers right to get to get money.

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And and that's that's one of these things that's relatively

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easy to correct. But then the second thing Minnesota did

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that was that was not smart, is they got rid

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of their their treasurer office. So I'm also I'm on

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the board of a group called the State Financial Officers Foundation.

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I want to do to the CEO of that group.

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My friend oj Alaka did a great op ed in

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the Wall Street Journal describing how Minnesota was a penny

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wise and a pound foolish because they eliminated their state

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Treasurer office. And the purpose of that office is to

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make sure things like this don't happen, to have an

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internal check and we work opened the books works, you know,

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handing glove with a lot of treasurers around the country

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to help them publicize their data to make sure that

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they have the right systems in place. We did pioneering

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work with you know, Josh Mandel and Ohio years ago,

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and and they've they've really we've we've they followed our

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lead in terms of setting the standard of putting government

1416
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.960
spending online. So Minnesota did a couple of things really

1417
01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:59.279
bad that that hopefully will not be replicated. But but

1418
01:17:59.319 --> 01:18:02.039
I think fraud the big picture point I'll leave you

1419
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:04.880
with on Minnesota is fraud is a feature. It's not

1420
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.840
a bug in our system. In other words, fraud this

1421
01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:10.359
isn't just one anomaly that happened in Minnesota. Yes, there

1422
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.680
were unique things about it. But when you have a

1423
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:18.199
government that has really set up to reward perverse incentives,

1424
01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:21.640
you're going to see all kinds of misbehavior. And that's

1425
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.640
that's why we need to go back to the founders

1426
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:27.479
and have a twenty first century federalism, which is really

1427
01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.439
go back to the numera enumerated powers. Instead of having

1428
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:34.119
four hundred agencies, let's have four and maybe.

1429
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:38.880
Five yea, and go back to that are accountable, you know,

1430
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:43.319
and accountable to the voters. The other thing too, not

1431
01:18:43.399 --> 01:18:47.520
big surprise here that Biden would do this, because it

1432
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:51.680
it reminds me of what Barack Obama did with Obamacare.

1433
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:54.680
It wasn't about providing healthy It was just about a number,

1434
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:58.239
and so you get what you asked for and the

1435
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:02.199
people were rewarded for just putting people on the doll

1436
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:06.239
whether they were legit or not, and or legal or not.

1437
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:08.399
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1438
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:09.119
Yeah.

1439
01:19:09.119 --> 01:19:10.880
And one of the things the highlights of kind of

1440
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:12.720
last year is I was able to testify a couple

1441
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:16.000
of times on the hill. One was the House the

1442
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:19.520
House DOS Committee that we talked about all the federal

1443
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:22.760
funding that goes to furnish vacant buildings. That was that

1444
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:25.119
was a funny ring and in millions of dollars going

1445
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:28.039
to paintings and conference stables and solar powered picnic tables

1446
01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:30.760
and all these things. But then I testified before the

1447
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:35.239
Senate Small Business Committee on fraud within the small business sector.

1448
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:38.640
And one of the things we see over and over

1449
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.680
again is that the best way to make something expensive

1450
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.680
is for government to make it affordable. So when you

1451
01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:48.119
see when you have governments, whatever government subsidizes, it gets

1452
01:19:48.159 --> 01:19:51.520
more expensive. And to your commacare. That's one of the

1453
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.560
biggest expenses for small businesses is all of the healthcare

1454
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:58.359
costs have gone way way up because the government has

1455
01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:03.319
gotten between the purchase ser of healthcare and the product

1456
01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:06.840
of the doctor. Government is really the middleman, and it's

1457
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:11.000
encouraged health insurance companies to be the middleman between the

1458
01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:11.920
patient and the doctor.

1459
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:15.319
Yeah, and like you said, this is an exception. I mean,

1460
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.760
this is a feature of government intrusion. Whether we're talking well,

1461
01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.840
let's go ahead and subsidize electric vehicles. We're going to

1462
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:26.920
give the consumer seven thousand dollars to go out and

1463
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.079
buy an electrical vehicle. So what did the dealers do?

1464
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:32.479
You know, they said, well, you can't have all that money,

1465
01:20:32.560 --> 01:20:34.800
so they got their price. So it was a windfall

1466
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.399
profit for these dealers. I mean that's it's just.

1467
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:41.119
Right, same principle.

1468
01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:44.279
Right exactly. So you know, they've got this system down.

1469
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:48.119
So wherever the government money goes, well then they're going

1470
01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:51.239
to find a way to capture it. And it's you know,

1471
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.560
part human nature. And like you said, it's a feature

1472
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.079
of the system. So that means the system is broken.

1473
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.520
So is there any interest on Capitol Hill to fix it?

1474
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:03.439
Yeah, there's there's a Yeah. I think you know, the

1475
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:08.319
Minnesota case bill I think is is uh encouraging. It's

1476
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:11.880
it's it's obviously discouraging case. It's shocking and terrible, but

1477
01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.840
it's one of these rare moments that's a galvanizing moment.

1478
01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.279
And we remember the early days days of the Tea Party.

1479
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.720
We were trying to foment and encourage a citizen led

1480
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:26.640
kind of revolt against big government, and that succeeded, and

1481
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:28.800
we we actually moved the needle, we get we got

1482
01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:30.640
a number of forms, We got rid of your marks

1483
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:33.800
for a decade, We cut spending in real terms for

1484
01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:35.560
the first time since the end of the Korean War.

1485
01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.560
And this, this Minnesota case feels has that feel of

1486
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.520
the start of something very encouraging, the start of something promising,

1487
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.439
where people are fed up and they're but they're fed

1488
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:50.920
up in a very constructive way. It isn't it isn't

1489
01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:54.359
just burn burn burned the country down. It's hey, how

1490
01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:57.159
do we renovate? And and that's really what's strong, what's

1491
01:21:57.199 --> 01:22:00.960
so wonderful about our American experiment is our our American

1492
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:05.960
revolution was not realistic. The French Revolution was neolistic exactly,

1493
01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:09.840
and ours is about, hey, let's continually reimagine, rebuild, renovate.

1494
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:12.239
Sometimes you do have to get the sledshammer out and

1495
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.119
knock down a wall that never should have been built

1496
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.600
to get back to the original vision. But the end

1497
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.960
purpose is about creating something. It's about It isn't about

1498
01:22:20.960 --> 01:22:25.399
tearing things down. It's about creating opportunities for growth and flourishing.

1499
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:28.640
Well, like you talked, and you reference burning things down.

1500
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.560
Of course, Minnesota has become famous for burning things down

1501
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:36.239
because it seems to be a deflection of what we're

1502
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:38.800
really dealing with. And so you know, our caution to

1503
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.920
we the people is, hey, keep your eye on the ball.

1504
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.600
Don't get distracted by what the media or these other

1505
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:45.560
interests are doing.

1506
01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:45.960
See.

1507
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.399
But again, if you don't know what vision or what

1508
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:52.560
the mission is and that what you're holding onto, you're

1509
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:57.119
going to be easily discouraged and dissuaded because there's going

1510
01:22:57.199 --> 01:23:01.119
to be, as there always is, opposition to get this

1511
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:03.279
country back on track. A lot of politicians over the

1512
01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:05.760
years have talked about, oh, we need to do a

1513
01:23:05.760 --> 01:23:09.560
better job, but you know, it's just it's just rhetoric.

1514
01:23:09.960 --> 01:23:13.399
There's no substance to it. It's just conversation to get

1515
01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.279
you through an election period.

1516
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.600
Sure, sure, yeah, that's and that's why people just have

1517
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:21.399
to demand results. And that's and we've seen these again,

1518
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:25.319
but we really have seen changes in pivots where nineteen

1519
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.800
ninety four is a great example. You know Tom Cobern

1520
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:30.680
who I worked for for years, he was a member

1521
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:32.640
of the class in nineteen ninety four, you know, I

1522
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.479
was still in college, but then worked for him three

1523
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:37.399
years later and started with him in ninety seven. Brought

1524
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:39.600
this book Breach of Trust with them, you know twenty

1525
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.880
years ago that he had a great you know, service

1526
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:45.119
in the Senate, but he had he was a person

1527
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.000
that had a normal career. He coming to Congress is

1528
01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.960
really a demotion because he had a very thriving medical practice.

1529
01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:55.199
He was a business owner, believed he was a true

1530
01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.840
citizen legislator. And I think there are thousands of Tom

1531
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.560
Coburn's out there, people that have done things in the

1532
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.119
real world. They might be a welder, a teacher, or pastor,

1533
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:07.880
a carpenter, plumber, you know, somebody that has a banker,

1534
01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:11.439
whatever field they're in, they have something to contribute. So

1535
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:14.960
I think the doors, the doors of public service are

1536
01:24:15.039 --> 01:24:17.840
wide open and more open than people realize because the

1537
01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:22.439
perception is is that there's an establishment in Washington. It's

1538
01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:27.359
sort of protected and there is self protection commas protect themselves.

1539
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:30.359
But at the same time, anyone can run for office

1540
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.520
and win. And whether people love or hate Donald Trump,

1541
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:36.960
well he certainly proved that anyone who decides to run

1542
01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:40.279
for office can win. And that's an incredible strength of

1543
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:44.600
our system that's menable to change. That change really can happen.

1544
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:46.640
We saw it in nineteen ninety four, and we saw

1545
01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:48.600
it with a big Tea Party election in twenty ten

1546
01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:52.279
where exactly people saw to your point in ear allow

1547
01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:56.479
in Obamacare. They we the people figured it out and realized,

1548
01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:58.560
you know, we don't really want our healthcare to go up.

1549
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:01.439
And of course we didn't see the reforms we wanted

1550
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:03.720
out of that, but we did see electoral change. And

1551
01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:06.439
there's a lot of you know, we could spend two

1552
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:09.520
hours on how we need to have better elections, better process,

1553
01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:12.520
but the fact is is that is that we're we're

1554
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.159
in a better spot than oftentimes we think we are.

1555
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:18.399
And then, well, I've maintained the voice of way the

1556
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:22.159
people needs to be augmented and not throttled down. And

1557
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.039
that's what happened. You know, you mentioned the Tea Party,

1558
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:28.039
the Tea party movement. Oh gosh, I'll tell you did

1559
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:31.319
the establishment and everybody freak out over that. I mean,

1560
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.319
you get interference from the government, the lowest learner, her

1561
01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:37.479
shenanigans that she did that I maintained, that's still in

1562
01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:40.359
action to this day. It's probably affected I don't know what,

1563
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:43.399
at least a dozen voting cycles. You think about that, John,

1564
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:47.600
It's disenfranchised the voter, and you can't have that in

1565
01:25:47.680 --> 01:25:50.000
a true democracy. I mean, you got a lot of

1566
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:53.279
people on the left talking about democracy. It's my first

1567
01:25:53.399 --> 01:25:55.279
question is how do you define it? I mean, you

1568
01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:57.720
can't even define a woman. So let's talk about democracy.

1569
01:25:57.760 --> 01:25:59.239
Maybe you might be able to come up with a

1570
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:00.359
good definition for that.

1571
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:04.359
Right, Well, it's not just the irs scandal where they

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01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:08.159
where they discriminated against tea part conservative groups. In the

1573
01:26:08.199 --> 01:26:11.199
Biden years, you had d banking and outright censorship, and

1574
01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:15.239
so people should be very, very concerned about ever going

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01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:16.720
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1649
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the American people have been frustrated. Like you said, they're

1650
01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:35.159
seeing what's going on in Minneapolis, and their sensing, I mean,

1651
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:37.199
their gut is telling them this is just the beginning.

1652
01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:39.239
Elon Musk said, hey, look at I think we could

1653
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.840
find a trillion dollars, maybe even more if you got

1654
01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.880
some cooperation. But boy did they freak out. And you

1655
01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:47.199
know that's what happens when you turn the lights on

1656
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:50.199
in corruption. All the cockroaches start scattering, don't they.

1657
01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.039
Right, that's right, yeah, yeah, And it's important. Let's talk

1658
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:56.039
about DOGE for a minute, right, because Elon Musk came

1659
01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:58.359
in with Doge and a lot of people are frustrated

1660
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.800
that Doge didn't cut more. And I wish they would

1661
01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.039
have cut more. But but but I would disencourage people.

1662
01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:06.800
You can't when there's an effort to try to cut

1663
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:09.319
spending and it doesn't work as well as you think.

1664
01:31:09.439 --> 01:31:14.640
You can't give up. And so so Elon the way

1665
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.520
the way I would describe Elon Musk, cause it's kind

1666
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:17.960
of like, if you, if you're a sports fan, if

1667
01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:23.600
you remember Michael Jordan retired from basketball and he played baseball, right, Oh,

1668
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:25.439
Michael Jordan's a brilliant athlete. He's going to be great

1669
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.520
at baseball. Well, it turns out he's actually much better

1670
01:31:27.520 --> 01:31:31.159
at basketball. And so so Elon Musk, it turned out

1671
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.560
he wasn't as good at cutting government spending as I

1672
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:36.560
wanted him to be. But he's still great at creating SpaceX,

1673
01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:38.600
he's still great at TESLA. He still has a lot

1674
01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:40.800
to contribute to our country, and I think we should

1675
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:43.159
thank him for the effort he put in to try

1676
01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:45.199
to reduce the size of the scope of government. But let's

1677
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.439
let's learn from what work. Let's let's build on on

1678
01:31:48.479 --> 01:31:51.039
those lessons, and and and sort of the tech sector,

1679
01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:53.760
you know when people talk about when there's like a

1680
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:58.279
startup venture that fails, that isn't really failure because that

1681
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:02.399
that failure is teaching that CEO to do it differently

1682
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.079
next time. It's teaching everyone in the field to do

1683
01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:08.359
to do it differently, and so so in the electorate,

1684
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:10.760
these things, same things are true. Like we we offered

1685
01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:14.479
with Cobra and thousands of amendments that literally thousands that failed,

1686
01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.800
but he didn't give up. He got Okay, well this

1687
01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:21.039
this approach didn't work. Let's try a different approach. And

1688
01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:22.760
then we found the bridge to nowhere. We found the

1689
01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.680
Woodstock Museum, we found shrimp on a treadmill, things that

1690
01:32:25.720 --> 01:32:28.800
are still talked about years and years later. And so

1691
01:32:29.079 --> 01:32:31.119
that's what I would just sort of say two musk

1692
01:32:31.159 --> 01:32:33.880
and people that are mad that Doge didn't do more,

1693
01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:37.119
it's like, well, let's you know, just because it doesn't

1694
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:40.560
it doesn't hit the mark immediately doesn't mean the mark

1695
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:42.359
isn't Because the mark is there. We've got to hit

1696
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:45.359
the mark. Yeah, built, let's build on that. And there's

1697
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:47.319
and there's a lot of findings that they that they

1698
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:50.000
had that you know, Congress still needs to act on

1699
01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.159
and members members are are looking into all these things.

1700
01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:55.840
Well, Johnny, you bring up a good point in talking

1701
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:58.640
about the comparison of Michael Jordan, that is that Michael

1702
01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:02.199
Jordan was gifted and wired for basketball more than baseball

1703
01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:05.840
and an Elon Musk by the same comparison is that,

1704
01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:08.800
I mean you're coming into a new venue here altogether.

1705
01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:12.319
That you know, you don't think like politicians. I mean

1706
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.079
you think like a businessman. Donald Trump thinks like a businessman.

1707
01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:17.479
Got a problem, fix it? You know, it's a it's

1708
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:18.920
a fifteen minute problem.

1709
01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:20.439
Well you fired?

1710
01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:24.760
Yeah, yeah, easy, you know Capitol Hill. No, that that's

1711
01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.640
a you know that that can be an entire campaign

1712
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.479
in years long. But meanwhile you've got all kinds of

1713
01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:33.960
wasted money. People are injured in the process. And again

1714
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:37.720
this all yields to you know what you referenced earlier,

1715
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:40.319
and that's the size of government. It's way too cumbersome

1716
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:41.079
and inefficient.

1717
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:44.239
Yeah, And I think what we were able to do

1718
01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:47.359
successfully is when you when you when you find a problem,

1719
01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:50.680
you have to loiter over the target. Okay, you've got

1720
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.039
to You got to hover over it and have a

1721
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:57.720
combined arms approach air power, land power, seapower until until

1722
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.720
the problem is solved. And and then we kind of

1723
01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.279
learned that the hard way. So there are examples of

1724
01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:07.479
like social Security disability, where billions of dollars were being defrauded.

1725
01:34:08.159 --> 01:34:11.399
We identified a few fraudsters. There's a guy named Eric

1726
01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:15.399
con who was who was encouraging people to sign up

1727
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.680
fraudulently for Social Security disability. He was getting paid millions

1728
01:34:18.680 --> 01:34:22.600
and millions of dollars. But then we identified them sixty minutes,

1729
01:34:22.640 --> 01:34:25.520
did a segment. Apple TV did a documentary about him,

1730
01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:29.920
and that changed. That saved billions of dollars. But that

1731
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:33.800
took and months and months of work. Again loitering over

1732
01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:35.960
the target. And this is where Covered is a doctor.

1733
01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:38.880
He was able to use that perspective of Okay, well

1734
01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:42.359
the disease isn't cured, I just symptoms. I want to

1735
01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:45.640
treat the disease and find the root cause. And and

1736
01:34:45.680 --> 01:34:47.600
that's and and sort of the wisdom of we that

1737
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.319
people could figure that out. Like people know, they look

1738
01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:52.880
at they look at Minnesota and they think, okay, this

1739
01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:56.720
is not just happening in Minnesota. That is absolutely right.

1740
01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.840
And we're providing the data to help them move that

1741
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:02.439
move those investigations along.

1742
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:05.359
Well. And like you say, hovering over the target, I mean,

1743
01:35:05.359 --> 01:35:08.840
how many other targets did DOSEE exposed that? You know,

1744
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:12.760
we've gone on to another, you know, another thing. You know,

1745
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.479
maybe there's we need to revisit some of these areas

1746
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:19.720
that Doge exposed and say, Okay, you know, like anything, Johnny,

1747
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.960
as you know in business, it's twenty percent of the

1748
01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:25.039
problem is going to give you eighty percent of the yield.

1749
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:28.399
So what are the twenty percent of the problems that

1750
01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:30.880
we have out there that we can identify that could

1751
01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:32.479
make eighty percent difference?

1752
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:35.880
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, I think you know. One

1753
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:37.520
a couple of things in particular is you know they

1754
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:43.800
Doze talked about all the the the antiquated federal account records,

1755
01:35:43.880 --> 01:35:50.319
keeping all the retirement records in the mountain up in Pennsylvania, right,

1756
01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:53.520
Fixing things like that can have an enormous impact. But

1757
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:57.359
again that that is such a tedious, time consuming thankless,

1758
01:35:58.079 --> 01:36:00.439
but that that kind of work and that kind of

1759
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.239
rigor makes a huge difference for taxpayers. And so I

1760
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.720
hope that they continue to focus on those And I know,

1761
01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:09.560
I know members of Congress are looking at that. But

1762
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:11.920
but I think like all of your listeners, they listen,

1763
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:14.439
they hear this and think, yeah, absolutely that that makes sense.

1764
01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:18.079
It's a no brainer, right, And politicians have to trust

1765
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:21.000
the wisdom of the crowd. In other words, the wisdom

1766
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:24.319
of decent people to realize, hey, this is a tedious task.

1767
01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:27.239
It's kind of like, you know, pulling weeds in your garden. Well,

1768
01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.319
if you really want to make a difference in your garden,

1769
01:36:29.720 --> 01:36:31.560
you don't just mow the flower bed. You have to

1770
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:34.880
get on your hands and knees and I eject weeds

1771
01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:37.319
and separate. You don't you don't want to. Everyone has

1772
01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:39.000
had an experience where they pull up a weed and

1773
01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:41.600
they accidentally pull up your tomato plan or to me,

1774
01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:43.920
it's something you spend all the time caring for them.

1775
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.039
That's not a fun experience. But but again, there's no

1776
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:50.560
quick fix, there's no magic answer. It's just people. People

1777
01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:54.520
are right to demand and expect officeholders to do hard

1778
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:57.760
work and to be to be tenacious and be disciplined

1779
01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:58.159
about it.

1780
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:00.600
But it seems like they're not. John. I mean, the

1781
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.279
question that comes to mind here with my audiences, they go,

1782
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.920
where's the leadership? I mean, right now, you know, like

1783
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:10.279
him or not? Thank God for Donald Trump. Donald Trump

1784
01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:15.560
in many ways is exam sampling leadership and and and

1785
01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:20.760
he's met with resistance and uh, you know, for ego's sake, establishment,

1786
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.920
call it what you want, you know, the Beltway Blues

1787
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:27.520
or whatever, you know, they're not quite catching it and

1788
01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:30.319
saying look at you know, right now, I think we

1789
01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:32.840
have an opportune time. We're on the verge. I think

1790
01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:35.600
Trump is right on and saying we're on the verge

1791
01:37:35.640 --> 01:37:38.840
of a true golden age for this country. And the

1792
01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:42.039
thing is is the reverberations are going outside of the

1793
01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.359
country and it is touching the entire planet.

1794
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:47.600
John m Yeah, And I think I've ster what we're

1795
01:37:47.600 --> 01:37:50.439
seeing in Iran is a good example that I think

1796
01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:54.000
I think, you know, I wouldcourage anyone to go look

1797
01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.079
at look at all the images of Iran before the

1798
01:37:56.119 --> 01:38:01.199
Antolas versus after heartbreaking, right, and if that, if that

1799
01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:05.840
imagined the benefit of that regime falling, what that would

1800
01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:08.439
do for our national security budget, what it would do

1801
01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:13.399
for so many, so many areas that affect our lives

1802
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:13.880
every day.

1803
01:38:14.439 --> 01:38:17.000
Yeah, Venezuela, the same thing. I mean, these poor people,

1804
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:20.039
I mean not that long ago, John, three decades ago,

1805
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:24.319
one of the most wealthiest you know, countries in the

1806
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:28.720
top five certainly, and now I mean inflation through the roof.

1807
01:38:28.800 --> 01:38:30.600
I mean we complained at nine percent, they were at

1808
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.399
one thousand percent plus and the people, the poor people

1809
01:38:33.399 --> 01:38:37.359
were eating out of the back of Maduial's trash trucks.

1810
01:38:36.920 --> 01:38:39.479
Right right, It's yeah, it's heartbreaking. And and compare that

1811
01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.159
to a country like Poland. You know, Poland has had

1812
01:38:42.680 --> 01:38:48.079
explosive growth because they've embraced free market capitalism and I've

1813
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:51.239
traveled a lot and it kind of in Eastern Europe

1814
01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:53.920
and you know, behind the Iron Curtain again, like we

1815
01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:58.560
we remember that transition, and it's remarkable to see how

1816
01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:01.880
some countries have really flourished and others of struggle. Poland

1817
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:04.439
is one that's done. That's a success story where they

1818
01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:07.720
were behind the Iron Curtain, they were under Soviet occupation,

1819
01:39:08.560 --> 01:39:11.239
and now they've they've embraced the principles of freedom and

1820
01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:16.399
human innovation and natural rights and they're doing really, really well.

1821
01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:19.640
And compare that to Venezuela, which again just went with

1822
01:39:19.720 --> 01:39:23.720
the opposite direction. And hopefully, hopefully that situation will will

1823
01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:27.479
stabilize and and go better. But again you can't, certainly can't.

1824
01:39:28.119 --> 01:39:31.399
Whatever view you have of Trump's foreign policy, his willingness

1825
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:33.800
to take action, you know, is not is not a question.

1826
01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:37.560
And that could open the door to incredible reform and change.

1827
01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:39.880
Yeah, without a doubt. You know, you mentioned you know

1828
01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.359
what happened in Poland, and uh, you know, great success

1829
01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.560
record there, But I don't hear a success record coming

1830
01:39:46.600 --> 01:39:50.279
from communism or socialism unless I'm missing a headline somewhere.

1831
01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:54.640
Yeah, it's it's a share shared as bargaart Thatcher said,

1832
01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:59.560
it's shared misery and yeah, and that sadly Zorna Mondami

1833
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:01.840
and New York did not get that memo. So he's

1834
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:06.720
gonna make another run at the warmth of collectivism, as

1835
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.319
he put it. But there is a lot of warmth.

1836
01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:13.920
When you try to micromanage a firm society, you end up.

1837
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:16.640
What you end up doing is punishing the punishing the

1838
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:19.800
winners and rewarding the losers. And well, that's what we're

1839
01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:21.520
going to see play out, feeling well.

1840
01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:24.119
And the problem is is that the winners have enough money.

1841
01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:26.680
They're leaving town, billions of dollars going out the door,

1842
01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:31.439
just like in California, and they're already having a hard

1843
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:34.720
time meeting a budget or even reconciling it, and so

1844
01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:37.920
they're just exacerbating their own problem.

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We're talking with John Hart, the CEO of openthebooks dot com. John,

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looking back in twenty twenty five, what would you say

1925
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was the biggest accomplishment for Open the Books in exposing

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you know, something that's just so hugely fraudulent.

1927
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Yeah, I mean there are so many to choose from,

1928
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and I encourage we have a sub stack up and

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people can look at that. There's some some highlights. I think,

1930
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you know, we looked at bid near improper payments at

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nine hundred and twenty five billion dollars. There's a lot.

1932
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Our progress in scaling that back center to earns from

1933
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Ohio or Iowa rather has been has been a great

1934
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leader on that. I think I think I would I

1935
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would kind of put it a tie at two different things.

1936
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I think there's real movement towards an upgrade of USA spending.

1937
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.039
That's build that I talked about earlier where we put

1938
01:45:33.039 --> 01:45:36.000
all government spending online for the first time, and we

1939
01:45:36.079 --> 01:45:38.079
got all kinds of pushback and people said, oh, there's

1940
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no way the federal agencies will coordinate, that's impossible, it's

1941
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a fool's errand but we figured it out and they

1942
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and you know, all of that spending is now is

1943
01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:49.239
now searchable. Now. The challenge is it's not going up

1944
01:45:49.279 --> 01:45:51.800
as fast as it needs to, and there are big

1945
01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:56.159
gaps within states. So our ambition back twenty years ago

1946
01:45:56.279 --> 01:45:58.000
wasn't just to pass a law. It was to create

1947
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a norm and to really change political culture, to make

1948
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it an expectation that, of course government spending should be searchable.

1949
01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:09.039
Why what what possible reason would you not have to

1950
01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:12.039
search government spending? And so the standard should be real

1951
01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:15.399
time transparency and that's our tagline, is our mission. And

1952
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:18.720
opened the books. Every day I'm online in real time exactly,

1953
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:21.279
and one of and we talked about what could what

1954
01:46:21.560 --> 01:46:23.640
did those accomplish? Well, one of the great things they

1955
01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:26.279
accomplished is they got access to the Treasury payment system.

1956
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And that's the I call that the administrative state Holy

1957
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of Holies. It's where only the goverment of double exactly.

1958
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And really, the Treasury payment system is America's checkbook. It's so, Bill, you,

1959
01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:40.960
just as you and I have the right to go

1960
01:46:41.000 --> 01:46:42.640
to our personal account, we should be able to go

1961
01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.279
to the Treasury payment system at any time and see

1962
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:48.239
the flow of money. Because what it's not the government's money,

1963
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it's our money.

1964
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It's exactly, it's our personal account.

1965
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What possible reason do we have to not see that?

1966
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And of course there are legitimate nationals. We don't need

1967
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to be publishing the address of someone's CIA safe house,

1968
01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:02.880
and you know privacy matters, those are national security privacy.

1969
01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:08.439
That's an easy exception. So Congressman ship Roy introduced a

1970
01:47:08.479 --> 01:47:11.159
bill to at least give Congress access to that system.

1971
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And Chip is a great leader in Congress who's actually

1972
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running for Attorney General now in Texas. But I'm working

1973
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with Chip and other other members of the House to

1974
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do a stronger version of that bill to create real

1975
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time transparency for every American citizen and to make that

1976
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:29.920
the standard in federal law, and we want to build

1977
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on that to do the same thing in all fifty states.

1978
01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:34.640
So again, one of the issues in Minnesota is we

1979
01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:38.039
talked about they got their treasurer's office, but we could

1980
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even have a better solution, which is it's good to

1981
01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:42.960
always have a treasurer office because you need someone on

1982
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.920
the ground locally who's sniffing around and making sure there's

1983
01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:48.880
no games being played. But we need to dramatically upgrade

1984
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our transparency law. So there was real movement towards that

1985
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:54.680
in twenty twenty five, and we would accelerate that in

1986
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twenty twenty six. That's probably if I would just pick one,

1987
01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:00.960
that's probably one of the great advances of this past year.

1988
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Do you think that, uh, and maybe you already do this,

1989
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And I'm just thinking, you know, off top of my

1990
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head that there should be an award for all these uh,

1991
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you know, these fraudsters and everything goes out and I'm

1992
01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:18.079
just envisioning a trophy with with the with the shrimp

1993
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on a treadmillamill trophy. Sure, yeah, exactly, I mean yeah,

1994
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from open the books, I mean, here's the here's the

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big money wasters of twenty twenty five or twenty twenty

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six or something like that, and uh, you know, and

1997
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you don't want to be caught with the you know,

1998
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the shrimp on a treadmill.

1999
01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:38.119
That's a that's a very good idea. I think I

2000
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think we're going to steal that.

2001
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We'll go away. It's I yea, I thought maybe we

2002
01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:46.199
already had something like that, but as you were talking,

2003
01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.920
I'm thinking that would be awesome. You know, the shrimp

2004
01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:51.560
on a treadmill trophy. You know, you've been awarded. It's like,

2005
01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:55.720
you know, Rownan Martin's fickle Finger of fate. But this

2006
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.800
would be uh, you know, one of those uh you know,

2007
01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:00.920
we would laugh about it. We love, but it's also

2008
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a serious issue and help keep in the front of

2009
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:07.800
everybody's mind the seriousness that you know, this is the

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01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:10.479
wasting of the people's money, right.

2011
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:13.960
Yeah, absolutely, Well, yeah, one award I will highlight for

2012
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you just for your audiences. We have a new Adam

2013
01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.640
an Jievsky Memorial Scholarship Fund so great. So it's just

2014
01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:24.000
to remind people, so open the books. You know, this

2015
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:26.920
history is. We did the transparency law in two thousand

2016
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:31.520
and six. Adam Manjievsky wonderful entrepreneur, a public servant in

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Illinois took that idea and he very wisely expanded it

2018
01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:39.079
to capture spending not just at the federal level, but

2019
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:42.159
stay and local. So that's that's how how Open the

2020
01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:45.600
Book started and Tom Cobra was an original advisor. I

2021
01:49:45.640 --> 01:49:47.680
was an advisor of Opening the Books at the very beginning,

2022
01:49:47.680 --> 01:49:51.640
and Adam ran the organization wonderfully and tragically passed away

2023
01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:53.439
just over a year ago, which we've talked about a

2024
01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:55.800
couple of times on the show. So that's why I'm

2025
01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:58.399
now leading the organization. But we have a new scholarship

2026
01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:03.319
fund honoring Adam, honoring citizen journalism, and that's and it's

2027
01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:07.439
a very generous twenty five thousand dollars scholarship to a

2028
01:50:07.520 --> 01:50:11.960
current college student or somewhat incoming who demonstrates a passion

2029
01:50:12.079 --> 01:50:16.760
for these ideas of transparency and citizen led journalism. So

2030
01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:18.520
so that's something just for your listeners to beware. If

2031
01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:21.119
you're interested, just you know, go to our website. There's

2032
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.760
there's a section on the Adam and GFC Scholarship and

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01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:26.880
we'd love to tell you more about that.

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Yeah, without a doubt. Wow, that's that's a great, great deal.

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And plus you know, of course, as you know, John

2036
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Adam had been on the show regularly. We had him

2037
01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:39.720
on almost on a monthly basis because we just so

2038
01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:44.760
believed in what Open the Books was doing. And yeah,

2039
01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.239
it was it was sad when we lost him, and

2040
01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:52.159
but to his credit, the organization that he had built

2041
01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:55.520
was strong enough to carry on and bring you on

2042
01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:56.760
as the CEO.

2043
01:50:57.600 --> 01:50:59.520
Yeah, thank you. Well, I'm trying to do the best

2044
01:50:59.600 --> 01:51:02.399
the best I can honor his legacy because he was

2045
01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:04.359
he was doing it not for his benefit, but for

2046
01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:08.079
the benefit of the public. And we need more people

2047
01:51:08.119 --> 01:51:11.720
who understand that the vision is not to grow government agencies,

2048
01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:14.600
but your agency, you know, and your right and ability

2049
01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.760
to pursue happiness on your terms with your resources and

2050
01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:19.039
talents and gifts.

2051
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:22.119
Well, John, as we're coming to the end of this

2052
01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:25.680
and I so appreciate the time. Our audience does as well.

2053
01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:28.640
We're so thankful for all the great work that Open

2054
01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:32.319
the Books has done. What what do you see in

2055
01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:34.960
this coming year? What's what is the mission and the

2056
01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:37.840
objective for Open the Books in twenty twenty six?

2057
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:40.800
Well, yeah, Bill, thanks for asking. I think one is

2058
01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:43.479
back on the real time transparency. We have a real,

2059
01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:47.720
real window of opportunity to advance and dramatically strength and

2060
01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:51.319
transparency laws at all levels of government, federal, state, and local.

2061
01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:53.680
So that's that's a key priority with love your all

2062
01:51:53.720 --> 01:51:56.560
of your listeners support you know, tell your tell your

2063
01:51:56.600 --> 01:52:01.920
local local officials that demand the same view of your

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01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:03.920
tax money as you do your own personal bank accoun

2065
01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:06.800
because again it's your it's your government money that they're spenting.

2066
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:08.920
You have the right to understand what's happening with it.

2067
01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:11.279
And then we've we have a number of in depth

2068
01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:13.319
investigations we're working on. We're gonna we're going to look

2069
01:52:13.399 --> 01:52:16.359
very closely back on that on the affordability theme, We're

2070
01:52:16.359 --> 01:52:18.359
going to look at kind of the history of affordability

2071
01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:22.960
programs in big areas of the economy like healthcare, education, housing,

2072
01:52:23.479 --> 01:52:26.039
and really let people see the flow of money and

2073
01:52:26.079 --> 01:52:28.720
then the results, let them come to their own conclusions

2074
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:30.800
about about do they do you want to see more

2075
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:34.680
or less of this, Yeah, take a very close look

2076
01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:39.279
at at at all all areas you knowed the Department

2077
01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:43.680
of Education, higher education, uh, you know, spending on sanctuary cities,

2078
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.119
how how the the the ice effort is going. There's

2079
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:49.319
a lot to kind of look at an unpacked and

2080
01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:52.680
we're going to provide the numbers and data for people

2081
01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.399
to make up their own minds about John.

2082
01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:58.199
I'll tell you we're looking forward to that because, uh,

2083
01:52:58.840 --> 01:53:01.760
you know, we the people who sometimes think that we're

2084
01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:05.600
becoming a bit cynical here because the way we see

2085
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:09.680
the money, you know, being utilized, it seems that, you know,

2086
01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:12.560
especially with these NGOs, money was going out to these

2087
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:16.399
NGOs and then it was coming back into the pockets

2088
01:53:16.399 --> 01:53:20.640
of politicians, and this is just exacerbating the fraud and

2089
01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:25.199
corruption all the more and the misrepresentation of we the people.

2090
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:28.600
That's right. Yeah, I would just just kind of end

2091
01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:30.680
on it. Again. Back on an encouraging note is that

2092
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.680
when when we the people get engaged and make their

2093
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:39.880
voices heard, change does happen. Politicians are terrified of tack revolts, truly,

2094
01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:44.560
and there's and again I want to see an enlightened revolt.

2095
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.079
That's why we're doing It's so important is that you

2096
01:53:47.079 --> 01:53:50.960
can't you can't have accountability without visibility. And if you,

2097
01:53:51.039 --> 01:53:53.720
if you if you simply shine a spotlight on these

2098
01:53:53.800 --> 01:53:56.039
on these transactions, on these games, that get played like

2099
01:53:56.039 --> 01:53:58.880
you just described of you know, saxpayer money going to

2100
01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:01.159
an ng O then going back the politicians, you know

2101
01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:07.039
friends or their their their own LLC that's running the contract. Right,

2102
01:54:07.159 --> 01:54:10.119
So the more the more people know that all that's

2103
01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:12.840
going to get exposed, the less we see of that.

2104
01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:17.479
So Sunshine is a powerful deterrent and disinfectant, not just act,

2105
01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.520
it's a deterrent. And we have the technology and we're

2106
01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.479
also working a lot on on sort of the next

2107
01:54:23.520 --> 01:54:28.119
generation AI tech tech tools to help map do predictive

2108
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:32.039
analytics on government waste and fraud to prevent it from happening.

2109
01:54:32.399 --> 01:54:35.760
And so I'm very excited about what the future holds,

2110
01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:38.800
and we're going to help the best way to People

2111
01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.239
are right to be worried about AI and a surveillance state.

2112
01:54:41.359 --> 01:54:43.560
But the best way to stop a surveillance state is

2113
01:54:43.600 --> 01:54:48.720
to create a surveillance citizenry and create superintelligent citizens and

2114
01:54:49.000 --> 01:54:52.840
exactly own these tools and control these tools, and not

2115
01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:56.840
to not to delegate authority to some mysterious AI agent,

2116
01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:00.600
but use that agent to your benefit. Let it be

2117
01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:02.840
like a shovel in your hand or a track. Right,

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That's that's the future.

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Right, Freedom is with the individual. It's not with the government.

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They're not the ones to give us. That is clearly

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stated in our constitution. It's God given and we must

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exercise in order to maintain a free people and a

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democratic republic all that our founders had envisioned for us.

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And you're exactly right, John, I think talking about ending

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up on enough note, I mean we shouldn't be afraid

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of AI. I think AI is going to go a

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long ways, like all other technologies that come a long way.

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You know, people initially said, oh, well, you know when

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you went from the typewriter to word processing, was going

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to replace all these people? What did it do? I

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mean it created whole new industries. So I think we're

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at the early exploratory, surgeon stages of it all. And

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I think good times are ahead, and I think it's

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the time to, you know, embrace it, not not run

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away from it, but embrace it and as you say,

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utilize it for good.

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Right, you got it?

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You got it.

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Yeah, we call it a r AI in the Future

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of Freedom Initiative, So you'll be you'll be hearing more

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about that this year.

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Well well titled Well, John Hart, the chief executive Officer

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for openthbooks dot com. Thank you as always so much

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for all the information.

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John.

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Remind everybody of the website they can go to to

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hear of and be in front of all the knowing

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because knowledge is power and we need it now more

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than ever.

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Yeah, probably the best starting point is open the Books

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dot substack dot com, or you can just go to

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Open the Books dot com and you'll get to the

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right place.

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So John Hart, thank you for being with us. Take care.

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Thank you, Bill. It's a joy for sure.

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You got it. Well, great stuff here, huh. I'll tell

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you we're so thankful for John Hart. And Open the

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Books and the team there, they're doing such a great

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job on behalf of we the people. Make sure you

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go to the website Open the Books dot com to

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be in the flow of the know as we say. Well,

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that's a wrap for y. Thank you for sharing a

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part of your day with us. God bless you. May

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God bless you and keep you. May make His face

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shine upon you. Meh, be gracious unto you and give

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you peace.

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